Who will Make Canada Great Again?

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I'm not going to get into an argument over your interesting interpretation of history, but merely say I disagree with that interpretation in its entirety.

Well, Russia did take over Crimea when Obama was president, and that's when the war in Donbas started. There were no escalations under Trump, aside from maybe him approving javelin missiles for Ukraine, which didn't get used until Biden became president. 

Obama said that it was going to take years to get rid of islamic state and they were almost completely off the map after just 3 months of Trump's presidency. They only had pockets of resistance that held out to about the 6-month mark. They ceased to be landholders in levant a really long time ago.

Terrorist attacks in the US were fairly normal under Obama and earlier. They still haven't come back, but Biden imported a ton of jihadis, and no doubt terrorist attacks are going to return to the US as a direct result. 

Trump squashed Iran. He killed their top two terrorist leaders and bled Iran's coffers completely dry. Biden injected $170B or whatever back into Iran and all of a sudden Hamas was rolling. There were almost 200 direct attacks on American bases while Biden was president. The effects of Biden's money to Iran are still being felt. 

Almost no troops died in Afghanistan in the last 18 months under Trump, and it wasn't the Taliban's snipers killing the few who died. Let's be honest: it doesn't really matter if the "war" was still going on if no one was dying on either side. Things in Afghanistan didn't seem at all like they were going off the rails there until presuhhdent dumbfork took over. 

You gotta admit, the 3 stages of Russia looked 100% different:

1. Obama as president: Russia took over Crimea, and the Donbas war broke out
2. Under Trump: *crickets*
3. Under Biden: a thousand-day war broke out, Russia seized 20% of Ukraine, cities and towns were flattened all over the place, and hundreds of thousands of people were killed. 

Like it or not, all of what I said is entirely accurate.

I could have added that for the first time in the 80 years of Israel's existence, they managed to normalize relations with Arab countries.

Israel went from normalizing relations with Arab states under Trump to being hit with barrages of ballistic missiles from Iran and trading attacks with Lebanon under Biden.

To say that the world trended drastically towards peace while Trump was president is entirely impossible to argue against. He's even responsible for NATO nations re-arming, which was very timely, all things considered. 

To say that the world trended drastically towards WWIII while Biden was president is entirely impossible to argue against.

That cartoon makes sense for a reason. The rhetoric in Ukraine and Israel has gone from "How many more bombs does everyone need?" to "How long before we wind this sh1t down?" ever since the election. We went from major escalations in both wars, even as late as October, to major strides towards peace. 

All that you can say is that you disagree, there are no reasonable arguments to made against anything that I said. 

And just to be clear, I'm obviously not doing anything special here. I'm just an anonymous guy behind a keyboard, telling the truth that's plain for everyone to see. 

If this all blows up in everyone's faces, I'll be the first to admit that I'm wrong. I've been pretty clear about all of this. There's not much room for me to hide from all of the things I predicted re: the Russia war. 

Regarding Israel, I don't think peace is coming, but I think that Iran will simmer down. I think that Israel will reserve their right to attack Hamas for a long time, and I think there could still be more attacks against Iran.

Will the hostages come back? Nah. I imagine that a lot of them are already dead and Hamas just hasn't told anyone because they wanted to keep them as leverage for as long as possible. I think that the US and Israel want to reduce Iran's nuclear capabilities the hard way, sometime soon. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You didn't say this?

 

I didn't say half of the people died in the first three months in new york. Which is what you claimed i said. 

I get that you want to try to change the channel from that but sorry  that was your claim.

You've since admitted you made that up.  And it makes no sense anyway. For it to make sense canada would have to start and finish covid at the same time. 

I get that you realize you screwed up and you're desperate to try to find a way to recover but sorry, it's not my job to fix your stupid. 

Trump was not responsible for the us's high death rate. Sorry. 

And he WAS responsible for getting the vaccines available at "lightspeed". 

Trudeau delayed vaccines by months. So he caused unnecessary deaths.

The much much later outbreak in canada (really didn't happen till february, about 3 months after the us had it's first break outs) meant that Canada experienced covid for a shorter time, a shorter time without vaccines, and with more knowledge oft the illness and how to treat it.  We never had anything close to the fatality rate that new york saw. 

so your whole point about trump is utterly debunked. Trump did fine with covid considering what he had to work with. Trudeau had two jobs during covid, get vaccines and unite Canadians to stand against the threat. He failed utterly at both. That is his legacy

But he did give us dope. So there you go

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I didn't say half of the people died in the first three months in new york. Which is what you claimed i said. 

No, I'm the one who said that because it's the only thing that explains what you did say which is this.

On 12/12/2024 at 3:45 PM, CdnFox said:

If you take out there insane casualty rate early in the pandemic due to the fact that people were not advised to avoid mass public transportation then the actual death rate was almost exactly comparable to Canada or any other country.

 

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14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Trump was not responsible for the us's high death rate. Sorry. 

And he WAS responsible for getting the vaccines available at "lightspeed". 

Trudeau delayed vaccines by months. So he caused unnecessary deaths.

The much much later outbreak in canada (really didn't happen till february, about 3 months after the us had it's first break outs) meant that Canada experienced covid for a shorter time, a shorter time without vaccines, and with more knowledge oft the illness and how to treat it.  We never had anything close to the fatality rate that new york saw. 

so your whole point about trump is utterly debunked. Trump did fine with covid considering what he had to work with. Trudeau had two jobs during covid, get vaccines and unite Canadians to stand against the threat. He failed utterly at both. That is his legacy

But he did give us dope. So there you go

If @CdnFox had not written this, I would swear the post was satire.

Edited December 14, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[August1991]

10 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Jesus God, August. Have you seen the videos of the Eritreans fighting it out in various Canadian cities? The Sikhs battling the Hindus? The hordes of Palestinians hunting for Jews in the streets? The frenzied LGBT people who say ensuring forty-five-year-old fully intact men can shower and change with the girls if they claim to be female is a hill they're willing to die on?

We don't get along anymore.

Disagree, Groot

We Canadians get along.

It's cold here. And to succeed, you have to be Catholic.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/12/2024 at 6:43 PM, eyeball said:

Like I said Canadians deserve the biggest pat on the back for the far better outcome in terms of casualties.

But why is it so difficult to acknowledge how loudly the difference between US and Canadian death rates speaks to who dealt with it better?  Personally I think it's also evidence that a lot more COVID was spread by word of Trump's mouth than Trudeau's...hands down...it's not even close.

I don't understand what you mean by the last sentence.

[eyeball]

50 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't understand what you mean by the last sentence.

Trump was better at spreading COVID simply by shooting his mouth off but then he had an audience that was primed for the occasion so it was easier.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, I'm the one who said that because it's the only thing that explains what you did say which is this.

 

It doesn't explain that at all, you invented that because you couldn't actually address the point.

Nothing I said suggested that half of the covid deaths Occurred in the first 3 months in New York. I talked about comparing the rates later on. What you have done is taking the total number of deaths over the entire time which was much longer in the states by the way and tried to claim that was the rate. And that's not remotely close to what I said

Again. You lied you changed what I said in order to try and find something you could argue with because you couldn't argue with my original point which I proved with documented studies.

You were a liar the day I came on the site, you're a liar now. It's what you do. The entire left seems to be unable to come up with a fact-based argument to save its life

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I talked about comparing the rates later on.

That's right and you said the rates later on were the same. But if there were only 203000 cases in your epicenter with the 10-23% or so mortality rate that gives you a little over 40 thousand deaths worst or insane as you put it case.

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nothing I said suggested that half of the covid deaths Occurred in the first 3 months in New York.

Fine, like I said it was me who suggested it.

So....if there were only 40 thousand deaths in this 3 month epicenter the case you're trying to make that America's actual death rate was almost exactly comparable to Canada later on just got more insane. 

On 12/12/2024 at 3:45 PM, CdnFox said:

If you take out there insane casualty rate early in the pandemic due to the fact that people were not advised to avoid mass public transportation then the actual death rate was almost exactly comparable to Canada or any other country.

If America's total death rate was the same as Canada's, 1350 per million, there should only have been 451000 US deaths in total but there were 1.13 million, a little over 3300 per million.

Subtract or take out as you put it the insane number of 40 thousand deaths of your epicenter from 1.13 million and you still need to account for over a million deaths. Maybe you have a several dozen other epicenters on the stash somewhere?

Maybe you should just give this up.

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's right and you said the rates later on were the same.

Similar. 

Once again you have to lie. 

I tried to explain this to you but you're obviously being deliberately obtuse. Get a kid in grade five or later to explain it. 

And of course you have to lie about what I say again and again and again to try and make it fit your narrative. 

In the meantime you're completely still dodging your claim that all of the excess deaths that you claim exist were trump's fault.

Sorry kid. The covid deaths weren't trump's fault and you clearly don't understand how math works and I really can't help that but I have already proven that you are wrong and going back and rehashing the same things over and over again because you can't understand simple math is just not that interesting to me

And lets get real, you're just desperately trying to steer the conversation away from the original point because your beloved liberals really achieved nothing and did badly at covid. 

So considering that justin screwed up our covid response and considering that trump wasn't responsible for the American covid rate I guess it's fair to say that really justin achieved nothing but dope. Which you seem to have taken more than your fair share of advantage of   

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

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Sure, 3300 deaths per million is almost exactly comparable to 1300...no more than a slight rounding error really.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, 3300 deaths per million is almost exactly comparable to 1300...no more than a slight rounding error really.

But it wasn't. And again I provided the evidence

LOL look at  you, knowing you're wrong but still deperate to distract the conversation away from the fact that trudeau achieved nothing  

But he didn't and you can't change that by lying about trump being responsible for the covid deaths in the us. 

Did you perhaps want to try "Covid would never have happened if they wore body cams!"?  That's your other usual go to   

 

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But it wasn't. And again I provided the evidence

That 3300 deaths per million is almost exactly comparable to 1300 deaths per million? No, you didn't do that anywhere at all.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That 3300 deaths per million is almost exactly comparable to 1300 deaths per million? No, you didn't do that anywhere at all.

I also didn't say it anywhere at all. So now your claim is i didn't prove something i never said. Well... technically true i suppose.  I did prove what i did say  

Again as you have previously admitted that's you making up fake quotes out of the blue and trying to claim i said it. 

Sorry kid. I get why you have to lie, you can't exactly argue the facts i presented, but fake quoting me and trying desperately to argue with things i've never said isn't going to do you much good. Unlike most of your usual debate opponents at the elementary school you attend i'm over the age of 6 so i tend to catch those kinds of tricks  

aside from legalizing dope Justin Trudeau failed at everything including and especially the covid response. That is now well established. You're going to have to learn to cope with it and lying about what I said isn't going to change that simple truth

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26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I also didn't say it anywhere at all. So now your claim is i didn't prove something i never said.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

Oh Noes!!!  I've broken his brain again and he can only talk in childish pictures!!!  (provided by iStock apparently) 

[Radiorum]

On 12/13/2024 at 12:30 PM, I am Groot said:

you're celebrated if you succeed, you take chances, and if you fail, well, try again. In the UK, you resent successful people and think anyone who fails is a loser.

In Canada, I would say we settle.

That's interesting. Thanks for sharing that. The "rugged individual who overcomes" is certainly an American trope. 

I wonder if the UK attitude can be traced back to the rigid hierarchy, like we see in Downtown Abbey?

I'm not sure that Canada settles, though. Every been to a hockey game? And we celebrate success, too. Not just obviously with things like awards, but we strive for achievement. We really are quite an innovative country. IMAX theatre, the pacemaker, electron microscopes, and the jolly jumper were all invented in Canada.

But what I especially like about Canada is our sense of humour. It's understated, and self-deprecating. 

On 12/13/2024 at 12:30 PM, I am Groot said:

American politicians are sometimes detestable people, brash, outspoken, rude and crude on both sides of the political spectrum. Ours are... bland, unaccomplished people of no substance who speak softly and smile a lot.

Our political systems are definitely different. I like our way better. I think politicians set an example for a lot of people, and civility is an important element in any society. Better than wanting to tear one another apart.

On 12/13/2024 at 12:30 PM, I am Groot said:

We could stand to emulate the US in some ways.

I mentioned before, I think at the personal level, we are a lot like Americans, in that we want the same things for our kids. 

But I don't want to see American style politics here. It's way dirtier than ours.