Why Do Leftists Really Want Kamala to Win?

[Nationalist]

Why? Hatred.

They'd nuke their mother's if they thought it would hurt Trump. 

They're sick.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Actually, myself and others have provided several sources and charts over and over again. You're M.O. is to say "You are lying! I am right!"

The Dow peaked at 21,020 under Bush, then tanked briefly. 

The stimulus bill that got voted down under Bush and then got voted in under Obama helped bounce the Dow back up to 21, and a bit beyond - to 24,300 - but it was plateauing for two years before Trump was elected. 

It basically took Obama 8 years to get the Dow up 3,000 points from its historical high.

Trump pumped the Dow up by 11,000 in 4 years.

 

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dow peaked at 21,020 under Bush, then tanked briefly. 

The stimulus bill that got voted down under Bush and then got voted in under Obama helped bounce the Dow back up to 21, and a bit beyond - to 24,300 - but it was plateauing for two years before Trump was elected. 

It basically took Obama 8 years to get the Dow up 3,000 points from its historical high.

Trump pumped the Dow up by 11,000 in 4 years.

 

It has been explained to you numerous times that the Dow is not the economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party

 

"Since World War II, the United States economy has performed significantly better on average under the administration of Democratic presidents than Republican presidents. The reasons for this are debated, and the observation applies to economic variables including job creation, GDP growth, stock market returns, personal income growth, and corporate profits. The unemployment rate has risen on average under Republican presidents, while it has fallen on average under Democratic presidents. Budget deficits relative to the size of the economy were lower on average for Democratic presidents.^[1][2] Ten of the eleven U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents.^[3] Of these, the most statistically significant differences are in real GDP growth, unemployment rate change, stock market annual return, and job creation rate.^[4][5]

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Talk is cheap. You need to substantiate your argument with credible sources.

You're the one who started it kiddo    You've already MADE these arguments, remember? So - put up or shut up  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

It has been explained to you numerous times that the Dow is not the economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party

 

"Since World War II, the United States economy has performed significantly better on average under the administration of Democratic presidents than Republican presidents. The reasons for this are debated, and the observation applies to economic variables including job creation, GDP growth, stock market returns, personal income growth, and corporate profits. The unemployment rate has risen on average under Republican presidents, while it has fallen on average under Democratic presidents. Budget deficits relative to the size of the economy were lower on average for Democratic presidents.^[1][2] Ten of the eleven U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents.^[3] Of these, the most statistically significant differences are in real GDP growth, unemployment rate change, stock market annual return, and job creation rate.^[4][5]

Oh so your argument is a debunked article that says generally they feel the us economy is stronger under democrats   

So you have nothing specific about trump   Well well well.  Is this the evidence you posted before!?!?   

 I can explain the debunked wikipedia article sometime for you if you like. They're wrong of course. It's one of those cases where if you look at the numbers from a very specific angle it may appear that way at a glance but it's not. But I'd rather stick on topic right now and not let you change the subject.

Job growth was better under trump than it was under obama. It was actually better under trump than it was under Biden as well as long as you cut out the covid return after people were forced to walk away from their jobs initially.

Growth of the stock market was better under trump, it raised at a higher rate.

Trump ran far less deficits than Biden did even including the covid years.

Biden had more illegals entering the united states in 2023 than trump did in his entire administration.

Exactly zero wars started under trump. Biden has had several including the surrender of one country it took a obtained in the first place. And yes, he is responsible for that, he was the boss when that began and could have done things differently if he saw that conditions had changed.

Trump did a fantastic middle east peace deal that was hailed as being historic. Under Biden a war broke out in the middle east that is also considered to be historic.

I imagine I probably don't need to mention inflation.

Private investment in business went up much much faster under trump - close to 30 percent verses about 10 percent for biden, excluding the covid years of course to be fair. 

 

By virtually any reasonable measure trump improved the economy much much more than biden did. 

ANd while his spending was still way too high in my opinon, it was lower than bidens even if you include the covid years, and definitely lower without that. 

 

And there's the final clincher.  The public.  The vast majority of people polled liked trump's economy and HATE the kamala biden economy. They feel they are worse off now and with inflation that's true. They feel that they suffered under those two. They didn't like it.  And at the end of the day they are the canaries in the coal mines, if they feel that way there's a reason. 

So. 

Lets see this incredible proof of how horrible trump's time was that you have? 

Go on   LOLOL  I'm waaaaaaiting ....   any time now    Go ahead.  I've got my popcorn. 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2024 by CdnFox

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Why? Hatred.

They'd nuke their mother's if they thought it would hurt Trump. 

They're sick.

YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

Yes Dear...

[Deluge]

On 11/2/2024 at 11:52 AM, WestCanMan said:

1. I think that everyone here understands 100% that Trump has proven that he can run an extremely successful economy, and that the Biden economy was awful, and Kamala was a big part of that. If we're being honest, 100% of people here know that Trump is a far better option to run the economy.
2. It's impossible to deny that the world became more peaceful under Trump, and that war and strife broke out on a massive scale under Biden. Even after all this time, the war in the ME and the war in Russia are both expanding and Biden/Harris aren't doing anything to slow them down or stop them. Israel and Iran are directly attacking each other now, and North Korean troops are fighting in Ukraine. 
3. Kamala has been a complete failure along the southern border, and it's a slap in the face when she tries to pretend that he hasn't been. No one here would trust Kamala to run the border any more than they'd trust Ghislaine Maxwell's Boarding School for Girls.

So what's keeping Kamala supporters up at night, just in fear that Trump wins? Abortion? They don't trust that their own states can get it right? Is abortion really more important for leftists than the border, the economy and global peace?

Leftists: forget the border, the economy, and global peace, because Trump is a lock on those issues. Tell us what combination of other issues outweigh the economy, the boder and global peace, putting Kamala ahead of Trump in your books?

If Trump wins, the economy WILL get better, the border WILL get stronger and more secure, and there's a FAR BETTER CHANCE of achieving global peace within the next few weeks.

If Kamala wins, it night be easier to get the abortion total up from the paltry total of 1,026,700 in 2023, but the ensuing wars, God forbid Armageddon, will make that abortion total look weak. 

• 1,026,700 abortions

  • More than a million abortions were provided in the U.S. in 2023. That's a major finding from a report published Tuesday by the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports access to abortion. To be precise, researchers estimate there were 1,026,700 abortions in 2023.

  Was 1M abortions in 2023 not enough? What should that total be? 

I'd say the majority of the Left still want change the Obamas can believe in - Pride year every year, the browning of America, and socialism as the new form of government. 

[ironstone]

On 11/2/2024 at 4:20 PM, Aristides said:

3: Trump did stack the court, with his own nominees

He did not 'stack the court'. 

There were vacancies, and he filled them.

Trump never talked about adding more seats to the SC as the Democrats may likely do.

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10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

So you have nothing specific about trump   Well well well.  Is this the evidence you posted before!?!?   

Job growth was better under trump than it was under obama. It was actually better under trump than it was under Biden as well as long as you cut out the covid return after people were forced to walk away from their jobs initially.

As you can see, Trump is the worst jobs President in US history, and the only President to leave with a net job loss.

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Trump ran far less deficits than Biden did even including the covid years.

 

Look at the deficit. Under Obama, he lowered the annual deficit nearly every year he was President. Then Trump came in, and increased the deficit. 

Your lies are so easy to disprove.

Edited November 4, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

As you can see, Trump is the worst jobs President in US history, and the only President to leave with a net job loss.

You're counting covid. Do you need me to explain that further? Do you need to be told why that's a sign of how desperate you are to prove something that isn't true?

Excluding the covid year it was actually pretty good. 

 

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Look at the deficit. Under Obama, he lowered the annual deficit nearly every year he was President. Then Trump came in, and increased the deficit. 

But nowhere near as much as Biden did.  As your own chart shows even including the covid years biden's deficits were much more in total than trumps.  By a LONG shot. 

 

 

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Your lies are so easy to disprove.

Strange that you haven't then  

You've just provided proof that i'm right. Biden's deficits were considerably higher, with or without covid.  Excluding covid trump's job numbers were pretty good. 

And then there's the other dozen or so indicators i mentioned which you couldn't refute  Better growth in stocks, higher business investment, lower inflation, etc etc etc. 

Kid, it's always amusing when you post the proof that i was right all along   

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27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

You've just provided proof that i'm right. Biden's deficits were considerably higher, with or without covid.  Excluding covid trump's job numbers were pretty good. 

And then there's the other dozen or so indicators i mentioned which you couldn't refute  Better growth in stocks, higher business investment, lower inflation, etc etc etc. 

Kid, it's always amusing when you post the proof that i was right all along   

This is a problem for you. You can never admit that you are wrong, in spite of irrefutable proof. You also never provide any sources to back up your arguments. Until you start to do this, I refuse to debate with you.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

As you can see, Trump is the worst jobs President in US history, and the only President to leave with a net job loss.

Look at the deficit. Under Obama, he lowered the annual deficit nearly every year he was President. Then Trump came in, and increased the deficit. 

Your lies are so easy to disprove.

Ya know what's funny? That you actually think this chickenshit proves anything "good" for Brandon's administration. 

We lived through both Trump and Brandon. We know how it went. Experienced both. Trump's term was way better in every way except 1.

Your precious feewings. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is a problem for you. You can never admit that you are wrong, in spite of irrefutable proof. You also never provide any sources to back up your arguments.

there's nothing irrefutable about that. Your own chart shows I was right.

Now you've posted information that I'm correct and somehow it's my fault   

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Until you start to do this, I refuse to debate with you.

The information is right there! You posted it  

The fun thing with you is that Whether I post sources or not, and I often do, you will rush out immediately and desperately try to find something that refutes what I've said. Inevitably you come back with something that proves what I said is true. This goes all the way back to the whole Jasper Forest issue.

And frankly I find that so entertaining that I'm reluctant to interrupt it

If you're going to just ignore the stats I prove then really what's the point? And you know that what I said was true. It's easy to see.

But let's prove it. You tell me which of the things I mentioned you feel is untrue and I will happily provide the stats and sources for it. So let's see if you're just Sea lining or if you genuinely don't know that what I said was true  

I'm betting you know that everything I said was true  

 

 

  

[eyeball]

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Why Do Leftists Really Want Kamala to Win?

The same reason lots of right wingers also want her to win, she's not Donald Trump.