CdnFox Posted November 15, 2024 Report Posted November 15, 2024 4 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Where? Above. If you're having comprehension problems then repeating it simply won't help Quote And your evidence for this is where? All over. Elon musk got so many complaints that it's now considered a slur on x. JK Rowlings wrote about it. We see it used as a slur and pejorative all the time. And eveyrone knows that. So not only are you a bit of a lying c*nt you're also a sealion. Pathetic. 4 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: I've put a lot of thought into my posts, but I also back up many of my points with evidence picked up from various sources. Most of the time, you and others on your side of this debate don't actually post evidence of any kind, instead just voicing your opinions and calling it a day. You put no thought into your posts. They are vapid and shallow. and your so called 'evidence' is usually anything but. You're a cheap troll. Quote
User Posted November 15, 2024 Report Posted November 15, 2024 11 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: I've put a lot of thought into my posts, but I also back up many of my points with evidence picked up from various sources. Most of the time, you and others on your side of this debate don't actually post evidence of any kind, instead just voicing your opinions and calling it a day. No, when you refuse to defend your assertions and make actual arguments, and just post a link to wikipedia, that is not "evidence" or good argument. That is exactly why you continue to run away from ever defending your nonsensical definitions of male and female. You "tried" with your failed Democrat and Republican assertion, but that quickly fell apart and I clearly pointed out why and you have run away from that ever since. Its a game you are playing, a circular one, where you make these assertions, then try to say well others believe them so it must be true! See, that is evidence! It is never any real thought at all. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Deluge Posted November 15, 2024 Author Report Posted November 15, 2024 12 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: What "answers" are you referring to? ALL of them. Go back through and find an answer you don't like, and I'll help you see the light. Quote
Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 (edited) On 11/10/2024 at 9:12 PM, Deluge said: On 11/9/2024 at 8:13 PM, phoenyx75 said: On 11/8/2024 at 12:17 PM, Deluge said: On 11/8/2024 at 12:05 PM, phoenyx75 said: On 11/7/2024 at 9:55 AM, Deluge said: You've been given links. Why didn't you go through the sources and respond based on the sources? I believe I have, but if you believe there's a post where you believe I didn't respond properly to a source you or someone else gave me, by all means point it out. No, I'm pretty sure you didn't, but that doesn't matter anymore. Your response suggests you don't really have a high opinion of information sources. I don't have a high opinion of YOUR sources, for sure. Oh, that's a given, but you apparently don't even have a high opinion of your own. You say things like "You've been given links" and suggest I haven't gone through them, but when I challenge you on your assertion, you say that it "doesn't matter anymore." I suspect it never did. I suspect your primary source is your own opinion, objective evidence be damned. Edited November 16, 2024 by phoenyx75 Quote
Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 (edited) On 11/10/2024 at 9:12 PM, Deluge said: On 11/9/2024 at 8:13 PM, phoenyx75 said: I'm sure the KKK said similar things about black people back in the day too. It's so easy to just say that some other group is wrong and use whatever means is necessary to try to put them "back in their lane", as you say. What's hard is to actually try to understand the other group's reasoning. The KKK hates black people and used to murder them, I just want the LGBT community to stay in their lane, Oh, they don't just hate blacks. Recently, they sometimes don't even mention that part: ** June 18, 2021 by Ben Cohen Police in Virginia are investigating a series of violently antisemitic and homophobic flyers targeting a local school board that were distributed by a white supremacist group affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Flyers denouncing the school board in Fairfax, Va., as “Jew-inspired, communist, qu*er-loving sex fiends violating the words of the Holy Bible” were discovered on Wednesday, ahead of the board’s meeting on Thursday night. The flyers carried the insignia of the “Loyal White Knights,” one of several groups around the country that compose the organized KKK movement, along with the warning that “Yahweh is Watching!” ** Source: Ku Klux Klan Fanatics Distribute Antisemitic, Homophobic Flyers Targeting School Board in Virginia | The Algemeiner It certainly looks like in some ways, you might fit right in. On 11/10/2024 at 9:12 PM, Deluge said: and YOU are a troll. Personal attacks, the last bastion of those who have no substantive argument to make. Edited November 16, 2024 by phoenyx75 Quote
Scott75 Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 (edited) On 11/11/2024 at 7:53 AM, Nationalist said: On 11/11/2024 at 7:44 AM, phoenyx75 said: On 11/9/2024 at 8:14 PM, Nationalist said: On 11/9/2024 at 8:07 PM, phoenyx75 said: First of all, man and woman are words, not laws of nature. I suspect you're trying to say that I'm in favour of defining those words in a way that includes trans people. I'd certainly agree to that. No. They are laws of nature. Do you have any evidence for your assertion? Can a woman procreate without a man? No. Can a man procreate without a woman? No. Thus...law of nature. A biological woman can't procreate without a biological man's sperm. But for people who define men and women as people who identify as such, a woman could in fact procreate with another woman's sperm- it's just that this other woman would have to biologically be a man and identify as a woman. This actually turned into a real life issue not too long ago: N.J. trans prisoner who impregnated 2 inmates transferred to men's facility | NBC News There are certainly laws of nature, but those laws don't include words. Words are defined by groups of people and can mean whatever said groups want them to mean. Edited November 16, 2024 by phoenyx75 Quote
Nationalist Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 3 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: A biological woman can't procreate without a biological man's sperm. But for people who define men and women as people who identify as such, a woman could in fact procreate with another woman's sperm- it's just that this other woman would have to biologically be a man and identify as a woman. This actually turned into a real life issue not too long ago: N.J. trans prisoner who impregnated 2 inmates transferred to men's facility | NBC News There are certainly laws of nature, but those laws don't include words. Words are defined by groups of people and can mean whatever said groups want them to mean. Lol...the hubris of this is fckin' monumental. Your article proves that. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Radiorum Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 To say that there are only two possibilities - biological women and biological men - is inaccurate, and doesn’t take into account the complexity of our development. Both our bodies and our brains are dimorphic (differentiate to male or female). But the developmental processes that differentiate a body and differentiate a brain are two different processes. In the first trimester of pregnancy, the body sexually differentiates under the influence of genes – and either testes or ovaries develop. During the last trimester of pregnancy, the brain sexually differentiates under the influence of genes and hormones – and either a male or female brain develops. Usually, these two processes are coincident – (male body + male brain or female body + female brain) and a cisgender person is born. But sometimes, the brain develops the opposite gender from the body – (male body + female brain or female body + male brain) and a transgender person is born. I read about this in the book The Biological Basis of Gender Incongruence (which you can read online for free) (Since I am a new member, I hesitate to post links as it might risk my status) 1 Quote
Deluge Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 (edited) 6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Oh, that's a given, but you apparently don't even have a high opinion of your own. You say things like "You've been given links" and suggest I haven't gone through them, but when I challenge you on your assertion, you say that it "doesn't matter anymore." I suspect it never did. I suspect your primary source is your own opinion, objective evidence be damned. Your challenges are now irrelevant, phoenix75. You presented your cases and they've been shut down by the voters of this country. It doesn't matter how right you think you are, because the country isn't going to put up with your attempts to mandate transgender celebrations. Edited November 16, 2024 by Deluge Quote
Deluge Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 5 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Oh, they don't just hate blacks. Recently, they sometimes don't even mention that part: ** June 18, 2021 by Ben Cohen Police in Virginia are investigating a series of violently antisemitic and homophobic flyers targeting a local school board that were distributed by a white supremacist group affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Flyers denouncing the school board in Fairfax, Va., as “Jew-inspired, communist, qu*er-loving sex fiends violating the words of the Holy Bible” were discovered on Wednesday, ahead of the board’s meeting on Thursday night. The flyers carried the insignia of the “Loyal White Knights,” one of several groups around the country that compose the organized KKK movement, along with the warning that “Yahweh is Watching!” ** Source: Ku Klux Klan Fanatics Distribute Antisemitic, Homophobic Flyers Targeting School Board in Virginia | The Algemeiner It certainly looks like in some ways, you might fit right in. Personal attacks, the last bastion of those who have no substantive argument to make. The KKK never did have a bright outlook on things - poor bastards. It's interesting that you try to lump me in with white supremacy groups when I'm fighting for ALL citizens, not just the special interest groups. What's your reasoning? 1 Quote
Legato Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 On 11/14/2024 at 9:06 PM, phoenyx75 said: I've put a lot of thought into my posts, but I also back up many of my points with evidence picked up from various sources. Most of the time, you and others on your side of this debate don't actually post evidence of any kind, instead just voicing your opinions and calling it a day. Please don't call it a day, it's only a day if one firmly does not believe in the fluidity of time. A day could identify as 24 hours or even 1440 minutes. Calling it a day is assuming it's identity and you sir are in no position to do that. Gooday. Quote
Deluge Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 5 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: A biological woman can't procreate without a biological man's sperm. But for people who define men and women as people who identify as such, a woman could in fact procreate with another woman's sperm- it's just that this other woman would have to biologically be a man and identify as a woman. This actually turned into a real life issue not too long ago: N.J. trans prisoner who impregnated 2 inmates transferred to men's facility | NBC News There are certainly laws of nature, but those laws don't include words. Words are defined by groups of people and can mean whatever said groups want them to mean. And the majority of US citizens want the words male and female to be according to their biological sexes. But that's the beauty of living in a free country. You have the right to fight biology, and I have the right to fight for biology. It's unfortunate that it has to be this way, but some of you just can't sit still and be normal. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 7 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Oh, that's a given, but you apparently don't even have a high opinion of your own. You say things like "You've been given links" and suggest I haven't gone through them, but when I challenge you on your assertion, you say that it "doesn't matter anymore." I suspect it never did. I suspect your primary source is your own opinion, objective evidence be damned. Do people are just sick of dealing with your dishonesty. It doesn't matter anymore because you don't matter. You're just a dishonest sack of crap and nobody's that interested in playing your troll games. Quote
User Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 8 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: Personal attacks, the last bastion of those who have no substantive argument to make. Is this a joke? You just got done saying the poster would fit right in with KKK. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
User Posted November 16, 2024 Report Posted November 16, 2024 8 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: A biological woman can't procreate without a biological man's sperm. But for people who define men and women as people who identify as such, a woman could in fact procreate with another woman's sperm- it's just that this other woman would have to biologically be a man and identify as a woman. This actually turned into a real life issue not too long ago: Like I said, you are the one creating this problem, in fact, an even larger one than the imaginary one you claim you want to solve. Listen to this nonsense from you. Also, you are here using man and woman differently when you said you only wanted to change the definition of male and female. It seems this whole time you have had more nefarious motives to alter the entirety of the language to be this nonsensical madness. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
CdnFox Posted November 18, 2024 Report Posted November 18, 2024 On 11/16/2024 at 6:48 AM, Radiorum said: To say that there are only two possibilities - biological women and biological men - is inaccurate, and doesn’t take into account the complexity of our development. there are only two possibilities when it comes to sex. Biological woman and biological men. That's it, for humans anyway. The fact that there is an extremely rare mutation once in a blue moon doesn't change that. If a child was born with three Noses it wouldn't make every other human multi-nosed. It would be an unusual mutation. And I'm sorry but no, the argument being presented by the trans community is not a biological one. We know that there is no such thing as the gay gene or that transgenderism or homosexuality is strictly a biological issue. There are other factors that do not have anything to do with that. So for a lot of trans people there's no biology involved or at least very very little. But let's for the moment say that there is. Just for fun let's pretend that the science doesn't say what it actually says and that there's a biological reason for why people are transgender. The question then becomes - so what? Let's say that someone's disabled from birth. Their legs never quite worked properly due to some flaw. Certainly you wouldn't hold that against the person, and it would be reasonable to make some accommodations so that that person has a bit of an easier time of it. Which we do. But generally speaking that accommodation expected to be to what the law refers to as "the point of hardship". In other words, when you put a burdnen on OTHER people then it becomes UNREASONABLE to expect them to accommodate you. For example, generally speaking it's not considered hardship to have one parking stall made extra large near the entrance so that disabled people can get in and out of a vehicle. Nobody is significantly inconvenient by that. But it would be extremely unreasonable for them to demand I go do their shopping for them because it's hard for them. Or push them around the city in a wheelchair whenever they ask. Or substantially change my behavior or the like. It's not unreasonable for a man who would rather identify as a woman to be asked to be called by female pronouns. That's really not a hardship on me. But to expose my daughter to have mens' penises in their face in communal showers for the swimming pool? That is utterly beyond the point of hardship and is completely unacceptable. So either way it changes nothing. If you have a disability or similar issue that doesn't mean the rest of the world had to bend over backwards for you. Yet that's what is being proposed. And the excuse given is that "we changed what words mean last night so you have to live by our new definitions because we say so" Efff that kiddo. And by the way you're not going to get banned posting links. Depending on the link you may get laughed at but not banned 1 Quote
Radiorum Posted November 18, 2024 Report Posted November 18, 2024 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The fact that there is an extremely rare mutation As I explained, it's not a genetic mutation, but the effect of hormones that causes the brain to differentiate to the opposite sex. 17 minutes ago, CdnFox said: the argument being presented by the trans community is not a biological one. The argument I presented does not come from the trans community but from the scientific community. At the link is a list of 30 (American) medical organizations that recognize the medical necessity of treatments for gender dysphoria and endorse such treatments. Medical Organization Statements 21 minutes ago, CdnFox said: But to expose my daughter to have mens' penises in their face in communal showers for the swimming pool? I don't think anyone would think that is acceptable. But to entirely dismiss the trans community as non-existent does not follow from that particular prohibition. I’ve noticed a marked resentment against the so-called “trans agenda.” When an identifiable group of people claim their rights, when they want the right to be free of discrimination, and the right to safety, that is not an “agenda.” That is only granting them what citizenship in a modern democracy that values human rights promises them. 1 Quote
Deluge Posted November 18, 2024 Author Report Posted November 18, 2024 (edited) On 11/16/2024 at 7:48 AM, Radiorum said: To say that there are only two possibilities - biological women and biological men - is inaccurate, and doesn’t take into account the complexity of our development. Both our bodies and our brains are dimorphic (differentiate to male or female). But the developmental processes that differentiate a body and differentiate a brain are two different processes. In the first trimester of pregnancy, the body sexually differentiates under the influence of genes – and either testes or ovaries develop. During the last trimester of pregnancy, the brain sexually differentiates under the influence of genes and hormones – and either a male or female brain develops. Usually, these two processes are coincident – (male body + male brain or female body + female brain) and a cisgender person is born. But sometimes, the brain develops the opposite gender from the body – (male body + female brain or female body + male brain) and a transgender person is born. I read about this in the book The Biological Basis of Gender Incongruence (which you can read online for free) (Since I am a new member, I hesitate to post links as it might risk my status) No, go ahead and link. See, you need to show your sources because your word alone doesn't mean shit. Also, it's important to dig deeper into the science community to find out who's there for actual science and who's there for political activism. I believe the latter has infected that community. Edited November 18, 2024 by Deluge 1 Quote
User Posted November 18, 2024 Report Posted November 18, 2024 35 minutes ago, Radiorum said: As I explained, it's not a genetic mutation, but the effect of hormones that causes the brain to differentiate to the opposite sex. You are making a baseless assertion. There is no such science to prove any of this garbage. You might as well sit here telling us aliens abducted them, then took them out to the forest where Big Foot operated on their brains, altering their brain chemistry. 37 minutes ago, Radiorum said: I don't think anyone would think that is acceptable. Except that is exactly what the community of folks pushing this madness do in fact support. It is happening now and is being forced onto other women and girls. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Radiorum Posted November 18, 2024 Report Posted November 18, 2024 2 minutes ago, Deluge said: No, go ahead and link. See, you need to show your sources because your word alone doesn't mean shit. Thank you. It's a chapter in the book Human Sexuality The Biological Basis of Gender Incongruence 7 minutes ago, Deluge said: Also, I want to dig deeper into the science community to find out who's there for actual science and who's there for political activism. I believe the latter has infected that community. At the webpage linked below are links to 30 (American) medical associations that recognize gender dysphoria and the necessity of treatment for it. Medical Organization Statements Quote
Deluge Posted November 18, 2024 Author Report Posted November 18, 2024 28 minutes ago, Radiorum said: 1. Thank you. It's a chapter in the book Human Sexuality The Biological Basis of Gender Incongruence 2. At the webpage linked below are links to 30 (American) medical associations that recognize gender dysphoria and the necessity of treatment for it. Medical Organization Statements 1. The author of that book is a resource for UNESCO which is an outfit that smothers itself in politically charged topics like race and racism, which is an automatic red flag. The guy is probably a paid shill for the trans community. 2. Transhealthproject.org: A trans activist website that lists a bunch of associations that may, or may not, be officially onboard with their wacky agenda depending on the level of coercion they're dealing with from DEI operatives. So far it's not looking too good for your resources, buddy. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 18, 2024 Report Posted November 18, 2024 2 hours ago, Radiorum said: As I explained, it's not a genetic mutation, but the effect of hormones that causes the brain to differentiate to the opposite sex. And as I explained, using the example of genetic mutation which obviously went right over your head, the fact that there is the occasional deviation does not in any way shape or form change the rest of my argument. In fact it's not a hormonal imbalance in your head, they are quite aware that it is not strictly a physical issue, and even if it was it wouldn't make any difference. Quote The argument I presented does not come from the trans community but from the scientific community. So what's your point? Did you not understand what I said? Do you need me to explain it slower? Quote At the link is a list of 30 (American) medical organizations that recognize the medical necessity of treatments for gender dysphoria and endorse such treatments. Medical Organization Statements Don't care. Again you're not addressing what I said you're dodging around it. They're welcome to take whatever treatment they want as long as it doesn't affect my life. Quote I don't think anyone would think that is acceptable. But to entirely dismiss the trans community as non-existent does not follow from that particular prohibition. Nobody anywhere ever has entirely dismissed the trans community is if it doesn't exist. Your hyperbole demonstrates that you have no argument that can stand on its own and must over exaggerate in order to try and present a valid point of view Quote I’ve noticed a marked resentment against the so-called “trans agenda.” Resentment against their tyranical demands such as having 6 year old girls have mens penises in their face? NOOooooooooo how could that be? Quote When an identifiable group of people claim their rights, when they want the right to be free of discrimination, and the right to safety, that is not an “agenda.” That is only granting them what citizenship in a modern democracy that values human rights promises them. When they want to impact society and the whole, when they demand that you give up your rights just so that they can declare victory, when they stomp on the rights and respect of others in order to foster an agenda that does not supported by science or logic or reason then it has nothing to do with them simply seeking their rights and has everything to do with them promoting an agenda. Nobody anywhere had a problem with trans people until they started bursting onto the scene demanding that others give up their rights and threatening people's children. Then of course there's blowback. And it's going to get worse from here. Trans will be banned in the states from participating in women's sports, Canada will quite likely follow very quickly, there are many European countries that are considering the same. We are already seeing provinces passing parental rights and that will probably continue. It's becoming politically unpopular to support trans initiatives that are frivolous or put people at risk. Had trans people simply stuck to asking for their rights there wouldn't have been a problem but they went way beyond that and now people are resentful and pissed off. And I noticed you couldn't address a single point I raised but dodged around it. Kind of feels like maybe phoenyx Started up another account because he realized those very same tactics which he was using destroyed his reputation here. Smarten up or the same will happen to you Quote
Radiorum Posted November 19, 2024 Report Posted November 19, 2024 4 hours ago, User said: There is no such science to prove any of this garbage. That hormones influence fetal brain development? Even 10-year-olds understand hormones. Furthermore - An interesting area of recent study (and a call for more study): Certain environmental pollutants act as endocrine-disrupting chemicals (EDCs), and there is ample evidence that they interfere with fetal brain development by altering hormone function. As Robert Hedaya MD states in The Dissolution of Gender: Quote “It is a reasonable hypothesis that the subjective disturbances of gender identity are the psychological manifestation of altered gene-neuro-humoral signaling caused by the chemical soup we live in.” One review of the literature that surveyed “the available evidence regarding the ability of EDCs to impact the emergence of brain sexual dimorphisms” concluded: Quote The developmental EDC exposure literature demonstrates evidence of altered neurodevelopment as early as fetal life, with sex specific effects observed throughout the brain even before puberty. And: Quote It is reasonable to conclude … that EDCs are capable of perturbing steroid hormone function in the developing human brain, particularly the hypothalamus, and thus potentially altering sexually dimorphic development. This may be one way to account for the increase in transgenderism over the last few decades. But I want to emphasize: Being transgender is not a mental illness. Their brains function normally. They just don’t match with their bodies. We need to believe them when they tell us who they are, and act accordingly. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 19, 2024 Report Posted November 19, 2024 10 minutes ago, Radiorum said: That hormones influence fetal brain development? Even 10-year-olds understand hormones. So you're about 8 then i take it? Go back and read what i said. Quote Certain environmental pollutants act as endocrine-disrupting chemicals (EDCs), and there is ample evidence that they interfere with fetal brain development by altering hormone function. So you're just going to lie and ignore what i said So basically you really actually are phoenyx With a new account. Completely dishonest and another scumbag who lies to pursue an agenda rather than have honest discussion. Well guys, if you needed any further proof that the left is full of lying sacks of shit who are dishonest as the day is long and seek confrontation rather than consultation, here you go. Quote
Radiorum Posted November 19, 2024 Report Posted November 19, 2024 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: hormonal imbalance in your head Imbalance is your word, not mine. Hormones affect how the brain develops. It affects things like neurogenesis and gene expression. If you have a moment, the study I linked in the above post might fill you in. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: they are quite aware that it is not strictly a physical issue Who is "they"? If a transgender person is treated with respect and compassion, if they are relieved of their guilt and shame, that goes a long way to relieving any mental issues they experience because of who they are. If they experience mental issues, it is usually because of a lack of support from family and the community. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Smarten up or the same will happen to you Lol 1 Quote
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