Harris Rejects Jesus

[Rebound]

On 10/18/2024 at 3:48 PM, Deluge said:

Wrong.

"Fear", in this context, is to "revere" God. We are to love God, and we are also to revere God and keep His commandments. Your take on "love" is based on the worldview, not Christian view, therefore it is invalid. 

Rebound is stuck in the wokies guide to Christianity. You'd best just burn it.  

WOW. Quoting the Bible is “woke”. 

[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

WOW. Quoting the Bible is “woke”. 

No. MISINTERPRETING the BIble is woke.  

[Matthew]

13 hours ago, User said:

It is without a doubt, literally, the one thing that is widely shared doctrine among Christians. 

Really? Ok, what do Christians widely agree is the way to achieve salvation and thus become a Christian?

[Matthew]

15 minutes ago, Rebound said:

WOW. Quoting the Bible is “woke”. 

Yeah don't you know? Jesus isn't about loving your neighbor and turning the other cheek anymore. Now it's about kicking ass, hating refugees, and owning the libs.

[User]

2 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Really? Ok, what do Christians widely agree is the way to achieve salvation and thus become a Christian?

Faith in Christ is the foundation to salvation. 

Christian means follower of Christ. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Yeah don't you know? Jesus isn't about loving your neighbor and turning the other cheek anymore. Now it's about kicking ass, hating refugees, and owning the libs.

Are you a Christian?

 

[Matthew]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Faith in Christ is the foundation to salvation. 

Christian means follower of Christ. 

Theologically speaking, can someone be a Christian and not be saved?

7 minutes ago, User said:

Are you a Christian?

I was for a few decades, and not casually.

[Black Dog]

31 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Really? Ok, what do Christians widely agree is the way to achieve salvation and thus become a Christian?

It's faith and deeds unless you're a filthy Prod.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Theologically speaking, can someone be a Christian and not be saved?

Nope. 

 

 

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, User said:

Nope. 

So then the many divergent doctrines about salvation therefore represent differing ideas about what a Christian is.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Matthew said:

So then the many divergent doctrines about salvation therefore represent differing ideas about what a Christian is.

So then... we were not discussing different doctrines on salvation. You are just moving the goalposts now. 

 

[Matthew]

42 minutes ago, User said:

we were not discussing different doctrines on salvation

Do you disagree that salvation makes someone a christian and that one can't be a christian without salvation?

If you don't disagree with this then doctrines of salvation matter a lot, since there are many, and they differ, and thus there are different ideas about what a christian is (at least as in what makes one).

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yes, it's a silly game talking to Russian bots and those too stupid to realize they've been manipulated by them. I agree 

You know we can hear your salty tears from here right?    

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, User said:

Faith in Christ is the foundation to salvation. 

Christian means follower of Christ. 

 

 

Are you a Christian?

 

So of ALL those things Jesus said, you can ignore it all 100% as long as you have faith in Him? I don’t think so.  Why would he say all of those other things? How is it “faith” to ignore them? 

[User]

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

So of ALL those things Jesus said, you can ignore it all 100% as long as you have faith in Him? I don’t think so.  Why would he say all of those other things? How is it “faith” to ignore them? 

You can ignore them, sure, but that doesn't mean you should nor that if your heart was full of the spirit that you would. Also, no one is perfect either. 

I never made any case for ignoring anything, so not sure what strawman you are building here. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Matthew said:

Do you disagree that salvation makes someone a christian and that one can't be a christian without salvation?

Yes, obviously I disagree. Faith in Christ comes before salvation. It is not salvation that makes someone a Christian. It is something a Christian has. 

 

[Matthew]

5 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, obviously I disagree. Faith in Christ comes before salvation. It is not salvation that makes someone a Christian. It is something a Christian has.

Ok, that's fair and well said. Though clearly not obvious because you yourself just earlier today said "nope" to the question of "can someone be a Christian and not be saved?" And I think we know that Christians would have fierce and differing perspectives on this as well.

[User]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

Ok, that's fair and well said. Though clearly not obvious because you yourself just earlier today said "nope" to the question of "can someone be a Christian and not be saved?" And I think we know that Christians would have fierce and differing perspectives on this as well.

Well, lets try to explain it this way:

My argument starts here, that Christians share this basic fundamental -> Faith in Christ

Salvation comes after that, and yes, there are some nuances there to getting salvation, keeping salvation, and a few other components to being a Christian such as Baptism, where some might believe you MUST be Baptised to be saved while others see it as a public sign of your acceptance of Christ. Some see that as a technicality, others as a symbol. 

But... the Faith in Christ is still that universal foundation. 

Faith in Christ -> Salvation
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Im here                 You are arguing over here about differences

Your argument is fair as well here and I think we are both trying to come at this to figure where each of us is at.