Harris Rejects Jesus

[SkyHigh]

Just now, Deluge said:

As far as you understand. 

Grab a Bible and start reading. You may surprise yourself and come across something actually worth learning. 

I've read the Bible, thanks 

So tell me what you think (pun intended) that the Bible can explain 

[CdnFox]

In any case It's sure  not going to help Kamala's cause to alienate the Christians right now. And not only does it honk them off, but moderates who respect christians rights to their religion and to the history of Christianity in North America look at that and feel she's being intolerant and disrespectful.

At this moment in time she is absolutely desperate for a group of people that would not normally vote for her to give her a chance. She cannot win with just her base And she has very few opportunities left to expand and she just turned a whole hunk of people off.

I noticed she is down in the polls again today in the swing states and that's about 17 days in a row. She has negative momentum going into the final weeks and that is absolutely death, and she's out there picking a fight with the most populous religion in the states. 

She's such a trash candidate, like regardless of her politics she just absolutely SUCKS at this. 

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I hate when threads based on misinformation get traction. It's clear the heckler did not shout "Jesus is Lord," but I guess if one repeats a lie enough, they will be believed.

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I hate when threads based on misinformation get traction. It's clear the heckler did not shout "Jesus is Lord," but I guess if one repeats a lie enough, they will be believed.

Dude, there's now video up from a dozen different angles and locations and you can very clearly hear what he said in a number of them. I'll agreei t's only barely  audible in this one but he absolutely 100% said Jesus is Lord

what's funny is that there's now versions of that video circling around where that sound byte is edited out entirely and you just hear more crowd noise and it's Verrrrry clear that it's been edited, the volume changes you can hear where it starts and the noise is different, it's not even a good edit. 

I guess the kamala folks realized that was the WRONG response   That's going to hurt her, and like i said she's  got NO room to lose even an inch. 

The "smaller" rally down the street was the trump rally.  She basically just told Christians to go vote for trump, she doesn't want them. 

But unfortunately for her she's such an intolerant person that she just couldn't help herself but lash out as soon as she saw Christians. 

In many of the swing states that kind of thing will have traction and she's going to be in trouble. She's already dropping every day in the polls in the swings and this will just accelerate rather than stop that. 

 

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

So you're just not going to answer my question.

Best I can say is that I trust my senses.

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

YOU don't know jack shit. All you "know" is BULLSHIT.

You don't believe in God; you can't even say His Name.

Yes Dear...

[West]

https://x.com/KarluskaP/status/1847963126794277372/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1847963126794277372&currentTweetUser=KarluskaP&mode=profile

Here's the interview with these two brave young men who were brutally mocked and kicked out of the school auditorium for which they pay tuition for saying "Jesus is Lord"

[gatomontes99]

15 hours ago, robosmith said:

No conservative is about "love thy brother," you are ALL "every man for himself." 🤮 

I don't have to name ANY reason I don't KNOW.

My GUESS is she believes Walz will get her more votes. AKA STRATEGY, Duh

You can't name a reason. Shapiro would have delivered PA. He would have been a far better asset at delivering her message. But he is Jewish and there is a faction of the left that hates Jews. So she could not pick him.

Tampon Tim has been a disaster. He is, by his own admission, a lying knucklehead. They are hiding him. He does not do TV any more.

[Deluge]

14 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

I've read the Bible, thanks 

Oh, good! Tell me about your favorite Book and Chapter! 

[SkyHigh]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Best I can say is that I trust my senses.

Unfortunately I don't have (or believe) in a sixth sense and the five we do have can't detect the supernatural and I still don't know how you even know you can trust your senses 

You do realize that I can't see through your eyes, therefore "your senses" give no explanatory power for others.

Any evidence that's not soley based on your feelings?

Edited October 20, 2024 by SkyHigh

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Oh, good! Tell me about your favorite Book and Chapter! 

I very much enjoy the parables, they for the most part are stories that contain good morals and aren't tied to some magical sky fairy. Akin to Aesop's faibles.

Now, for the third or fourth time, justify that your god exists.

[gatomontes99]

25 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Unfortunately I don't have (or believe) in a sixth sense and the five we do have can't detect the supernatural and I still don't know how you even know you can trust your senses 

You do realize that I can't see through your eyes, therefore "your senses" give no explanatory power for others.

Any evidence that's not soley based on your feelings?

The laws of conservation. Specifically the conservation of mass: for any system closed to all transfers of matter and energy, the mass of the system must remain constant over time.

If mass can not be created or destroyed, where did it come from? It had to have been created at some point.

[SkyHigh]

8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The laws of conservation. Specifically the conservation of mass: for any system closed to all transfers of matter and energy, the mass of the system must remain constant over time.

If mass can not be created or destroyed, where did it come from? It had to have been created at some point.

Questions aren't arguments.

But to answer the question, I don't know (which is often the most intelligent thing one can say) but neither do you, your book is the claim not evidence.

So, you must prove your god exists before she can have any explanatory powers

[gatomontes99]

6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Questions aren't arguments.

But to answer the question, I don't know (which is often the most intelligent thing one can say) but neither do you, your book is the claim not evidence.

So, you must prove your god exists before she can have any explanatory powers

Oh, but questions are arguments, aren't they?

Read Genesis. It actually gives a broad account of how our world was created. It talks about the Earth coming into orbit with the sun and the moon coming into orbit with the Earth.  It talks about one continent. It then talks about the first animals being in the sea. And so on. The accuracy of Genesis, when it comes to outlining the order of the Creation of the universe and our little blue ball would have been impossible for men of that time to know.

BTW, the little bigoted digs like God is a she (when you know the Bible describes God as He) are childish. You are just doing it to be an a$$. You might think you are clever, but it is clear to all that read what you write, that you are full of hate.

Maybe you should read the Bible and tell us what Jesus taught us that is wrong.

[SkyHigh]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Oh, but questions are arguments, aren't they?

No, they are literally the opposite of an argument. An argument is defined as a group of propositions that follow each other based on deductively valid inferences that support the truth of the premises in the conclusion.

 

11 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Read Genesis. It actually gives a broad account of how our world was created

Science has demonstrated that Genesis is fiction , from creation to Noah's ark 

 

17 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Maybe you should read the Bible and tell us what Jesus taught us that is wrong.

First, I've probably read the Bible more than you.

Second, you've never heard me speak against the teachings of Jesus, in fact I have mentioned numerous times that most of the words attributed to him were thoughtful and are worth following.

Where I do disagree ,is that he was any more than one of the plethora of itinerant, apocalyptic, messianic preachers of the time but was born of a virgin, preformed miracles and came back from the dead.

You have an argument for that? Remember answering a question with a question (unless it's simply to clarify) is not an argument 

12 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

BTW, the little bigoted digs like God is a she (when you know the Bible describes God as He) are childish. You are just doing it to be an a$$.

Bigoted? Nope, pithy yes 

But the idea that an unembodied , eternal mind has a gender is just silly and I would suggest that it's your bigotry that finds it impossible to believe that the "creator of the universe" could be anything but a man 

[gatomontes99]

12 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

No, they are literally the opposite of an argument. An argument is defined as a group of propositions that follow each other based on deductively valid inferences that support the truth of the premises in the conclusion.

Didn't I do that with my last question? Argumentative questions are a thing.

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Science has demonstrated that Genesis is fiction , from creation to Noah's ark

First, I've probably read the Bible more than you.

Second, you've never heard me speak against the teachings of Jesus, in fact I have mentioned numerous times that most of the words attributed to him were thoughtful and are worth following.

Where I do disagree ,is that he was any more than one of the plethora of itinerant, apocalyptic, messianic preachers of the time but was born of a virgin, preformed miracles and came back from the dead.

You have an argument for that? Remember answering a question with a question (unless it's simply to clarify) is not an argument

Well, you tried to move the goal posts. I was talking about creation. This will be more coherent if you don't try to jump around from one assumption to another. It would also be easier if you had supporting arguments to your thesis. For instance, I said Genesis accurately describes the general outline of how the universe and the planet were formed. Then I provided a short list of accurate predictions.

You failed to even address my point. You, simply, made a generic statement with no supporting arguments. Generally, when people do that, they are unwilling to admit they can't discuss the topic intelligently. What you did is a defense mechanism. You tried to be forceful in an assertion to compensate for your lack of counter arguments.

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Bigoted? Nope, pithy yes
But the idea that an unembodied , eternal mind has a gender is just silly and I would suggest that it's your bigotry that finds it impossible to believe that the "creator of the universe" could be anything but a man

Bigotry by any other name is still bigotry. To put it in modern context, God identifies as He. Are you going to deny Him His identity?

Edited October 20, 2024 by gatomontes99

[SkyHigh]

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Didn't I do that with my last question? Argumentative questions are a thing.

Nope, because a question is never an argument . Saying " then where do they come from" has no premises (honest question, do you know what a premise is?,) and zero deductively valid inferences to support your conclusion.

 

12 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

4 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Well, you tried to move the goal posts. I was talking about creation.

 You're lying, I mentioned creation and then included the other parts of Genesis (the book you mentioned) because it's the same science that proves it all wrong.

Moving the goal posts would be if I mentioned all the other books in the Bible science has demonstrated to be false 

13 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You failed to even address my point.

Again you're lying, I did address what you said but the fact is you haven't provided any deductive inferences that I could rebut.

So, can you make a positive argument for the existence of God? , (I'm not expecting a syllogism but saying it's true because the Bible tells me so, is ludicrous on face value, because again the Bible is the claim, not the evidence) 

 

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

world was created. It talks about the Earth coming into orbit with the sun and the moon coming into orbit with the Earth.  It talks about one continent. It then talks about the first animals being in the sea. And so on. The accuracy of Genesis, when it comes to outlining the order of the Creation of the universe and our little blue ball would have been impossible for men of that time to know.

Wow , how many ways can you be wrong.

First and most important, the fact that the Bible doesn't provide explanations beyond the understanding of the time, supports my argument.

Either the Bible was written by bronze age goat farmers or god lacks the power or the knowledge to reveal the truth of his creation.

Second, the biblical account of creation (either of the two different accounts) goes against what science has demonstrated.      ie: in the Bible the plants came before the sun and I could do the same for almost the entirety of the creation story. 

So, explain that?

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[User]

11 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Either the Bible was written by bronze age goat farmers or god lacks the power or the knowledge to reveal the truth of his creation.

This is such an absurdly wrong argument. I have already gone down this path with you before, but you ran away from that discussion. 

Its a false dilemma and a bit of a strawman. 

The Bible was in fact written by people, the claim is that it was divinely inspired throughout and accounts for interactions in history some did have with God. 

The fact that God doesn't share any particular knowledge with people is not evidence he lacks the power or knowledge to do so. A math teacher doesn't reveal all he knows on day one to the class, even the study of math is a progression from basics up to Calculus. But why didn't they tell us in Kindergarten how to find the area under a curved line?! 

These are philosophical questions about the nature of God, not an argument he doesn't exist as you are so illogically framing. 

 

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

I very much enjoy the parables, they for the most part are stories that contain good morals and aren't tied to some magical sky fairy. Akin to Aesop's faibles.

Now, for the third or fourth time, justify that your god exists.

And get ready to ask a 5th or 6th time because we're not done yet.  

How did you make your way to the parables? Did a fellow a$$hole direct you there to avoid all the "skt fairy" stuff that precedes the parables? Talk about your journey to the parables. 

Edited October 20, 2024 by Deluge

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

Nope, because a question is never an argument . Saying " then where do they come from" has no premises (honest question, do you know what a premise is?,) and zero deductively valid inferences to support your conclusion.

Really? So why do you keep arguing with my questions if the questions are not argumentative?

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You're lying, I mentioned creation and then included the other parts of Genesis (the book you mentioned) because it's the same science that proves it all wrong.

Moving the goal posts would be if I mentioned all the other books in the Bible science has demonstrated to be false.

Again you're lying, I did address what you said but the fact is you haven't provided any deductive inferences that I could rebut.

You didn't prove me wrong, I have not brought those points up. Proving me wrong would be taking Genesis 1 and showing that the creation explanation was not in the correct order.

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So, can you make a positive argument for the existence of God? , (I'm not expecting a syllogism but saying it's true because the Bible tells me so, is ludicrous on face value, because again the Bible is the claim, not the evidence)

Well, proving God's word is accurate will do that. We are in the middle of that.

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

Wow , how many ways can you be wrong.

First and most important, the fact that the Bible doesn't provide explanations beyond the understanding of the time, supports my argument.

Either the Bible was written by bronze age goat farmers or god lacks the power or the knowledge to reveal the truth of his creation.

Second, the biblical account of creation (either of the two different accounts) goes against what science has demonstrated.      ie: in the Bible the plants came before the sun and I could do the same for almost the entirety of the creation story. 

So, explain that?

You lied. Genesis 1:3 is when light was created. Genesis 1:11 is when plants were created.

[SkyHigh]

17 minutes ago, User said:

The fact that God doesn't share any particular knowledge with people is not evidence he lacks the power or knowledge to do so. A math teacher doesn't reveal all he knows on day one to the class, even the study of math is a progression from basics up to Calculus. But why didn't they tell us in Kindergarten how to find the area under a curved line?! 

While you are correct that this doesn't definitively prove that god doesn't exist,  it is certainly part of the cumulative case against the existence of God.

God by definition is not falsifiable, this is a problem for people like me that use reason, logic and the scientific method to come to conclusions. The scientific method (therefore logic and reason) is all about DISproving what we think we know. Science does not make truth claims.Period 

Comparing a tri omni God,reveling the truth of his creation, to be recorded by man, in his inerrant word, that is to be used to bring all of his children to salvation and a math teacher following a syllabus, that is designed to instruct students in a methodical way to understand theories and formulas and then PROVE (because math uses abstract objects (numbers) to represent aspects of reality it is the only science that makes any claims of proof, the rest just use models based on our current understanding) the validity of said theories and formulas. 2+2 will always equal 4 (at least using classical logic, hahaha. I wonder if you got that joke) is pretty much you waving the white flag 

If gods revelation is in any way analogous to an underpaid, overworked, kindergarten teacher, how powerful can he be? I have physically witnessed all of my teachers and gained tangible, quantifiable knowledge from most by simply being present.

But after searching diligently for many years (and still am to some extent) for any god or gods and have found no evidence (in fact I've found the contrary) nor any knowledge or wisdom that can't be found elsewhere (read that last part carefully, I'm not saying the Bible is void of knowledge or wisdom just that is not exclusive to Christianity)

Now, I have given  honest responses to why I don't believe, if you can't actually respond to them and are simply going to come back with nah han or an insult, just don't bother responding, because for me that will signify that you are not looking for the same kind of conversation I am and I will no longer interact (not that I think it would bother you)

I want to know as many true things and as few false things as possible. So if you could provide a positive argument for the existence of God, remembering that the Bible is the claim not the evidence. I will gladly listen and if it's a strong argument may even alter my world view. If not, kick rocks 

 

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15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude, there's now video up from a dozen different angles and locations and you can very clearly hear what he said in a number of them. I'll agreei t's only barely  audible in this one but he absolutely 100% said Jesus is Lord

 

I've already heard the unedited video. The heckler shouts out "YOU'RE LYING!"

However, once again, Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels in vindicated...

"if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth."

[SkyHigh]

21 minutes ago, Deluge said:

And get ready to ask a 5th or 6th time because we're not done yet.  

How did you make your way to the parables? Did a fellow a$$hole direct you there to avoid all the "skt fairy" stuff that precedes the parables? Talk about your journey to the parables. 

I've read the Bible cover to cover, I grew up in more than one Christian foster home.

So still no argument for god eh?

How long before you just admit there is none ?

At least some Christians will acknowledge it's about faith not facts, but you're not even that honest or maybe just not that smart, oh why quibble everyone knows it's both and when you add your impotence, both phallic and mental you see why the only feeling you evoke in me is pity 

So any evidence of your sky daddy?

[gatomontes99]

30 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I've already heard the unedited video. The heckler shouts out "YOU'RE LYING!"

However, once again, Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels in vindicated...

"if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth."

I don't understand why you guys lie when it is so easily debunked.