Biden's Wars in Europe and the ME are Still Escalating. Vote Trump to Avoid WW3.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Says you with ZERO evidence. I already pointed you to the documentary

Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom

Not Rated

 2015 ‧ Documentary/War ‧ 1h 42m

 

 

Who was president in 2015, sh1t for brains? 

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You got Jack Shit.

C'mon now roboy, there's no crying in repolitics.

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You can't even explain what you believe is irony and don't know that Putin has stolen $200B from Russia. 

No one can explain anything to you. That's why you dropped out of grade 1.

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Your FANTASIES don't prove themselves. And neither can you.

Stop talking about my fantasies, creepy loser.

[impartialobserver]

WWIII.. a bit of an exaggeration. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

The US is NOT at war. We are just protecting trade through the Suez Canal by wiping out Yemini rocket launchers..

Like Mad Dog Mattis said: "When they shoot missiles at us, that's called war."

Do you think MDM would have said: "North Korea just flew some bombers overhead and attacked some of our bases, it wasn't really all that warlike", if NoKo did what the US just did? 

 

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12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There was a small feud simmering when Trump was POTUS, dummy. 

1. It started when Biden was VP under Obama
2. That feud was penny-ante stuff compared to what happened when Obama was president, and the annexation of Crimea was then dwarfed by the war that Biden started. 

Face it: if you're a fane of Russia's burgeoning border, you're a fan of Obama and Biden. 

There is no hope for you. You have fallen too deep into the rabbit hole to think rationally. In a way, I feel sorry for you. 

[robosmith]

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Who was president in 2015, sh1t for brains? 

The President of the US had NOTHING to do with Yanukovych's betrayal of the Ukrainian people.

Do you KNOW WHO DID? Paul Manafort was Yanukovych's lackey just like he was Trump's errand boy for interfacing with Russian agents and oligarchs (friends of Putin).

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

C'mon now roboy, there's no crying in repolitics.

No crying here, just laughing at your FAILURE to produce ANY evidence.

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No one can explain anything to you. That's why you dropped out of grade 1.

You mean grade 1 of grad school after I got my MS, ^HS drop out.

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop talking about my fantasies, creepy loser.

Start proving they're NOT fantasies dipshit.

[robosmith]

49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Like Mad Dog Mattis said: "When they shoot missiles at us, that's called war."

They know better than to shoot at US. They're target is commercial ships, shit for brains.

49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you think MDM would have said: "North Korea just flew some bombers overhead and attacked some of our bases, it wasn't really all that warlike", if NoKo did what the US just did? 

Protecting commercial ships is purely DEFENSE NOT in Yemeni waters.

[User]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

There is no hope for you. You have fallen too deep into the rabbit hole to think rationally. In a way, I feel sorry for you. 

Yeah right. You run away from me like a coward when I pick apart your dumb arguments and lies. 

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you think that Ukraine would be the first country to instigate a war, you f'ing dummy?

Do you think that the USA would be the first country to instigate a proxy war, you f'ing dummy?

This has nothing to do with my awesome craziness and everything to do with your ignorance, biases and stupidity.

No, you inbred baboon. 

That's like saying your neighbor "instigated" you burglarizing her house because you discovered that she was considering installing a security system. 

Ukraine didn't instigate anything--nor would they. Their entire dilemma is that they are a smaller, weaker country bordering an aggressive neighbor. They certainly did not want the thing they were scared of. Your ass-backward rationale is pure idiocy.

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

They know better than to shoot at US. They're target is commercial ships, shit for brains.

You are nothing if not wholly ignorant or just an outright liar. 

Yemen Houthi rebels fire a missile at a US warship, escalating worst Mideast sea conflict in decades

https://apnews.com/article/yemen-houthi-gulf-aden-shipping-british-military-7fafd1cfb3e04209b97a0d0f2abd5c26

"The attack on the U.S. warship, the destroyer USS Carney, marked a further escalation in the biggest confrontation at sea the U.S. Navy has seen in the Middle East in decades, as Houthi missile fire set another commercial vessel ablaze Friday night."

[User]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Protecting commercial ships is purely DEFENSE NOT in Yemeni waters.

Yemeni waters?

They do not own the entire Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden you m0ron. 

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

The President of the US had NOTHING to do with Yanukovych's betrayal of the Ukrainian people.

We're talking about when the Ukraine war started you grade 1 dropout, not your opinion of whether or not an American coup against a Ukrainian president was somehow legitimate. 

Crimea was annexed in 2014 dummy, and that's when the war in Donbas started. The next escalation occurred after Biden was put in the WH. Are you honestly trying to prove that you're retarded?

2017-2021 was almost entirely peaceful by comparison to 2014-2017 and 2021-present. Not just in Ukraine, but in the entire world. 

Obama and Biden, 2014-2017 and 2021-present = ME and Ukraine plagued by horrible wars and even genocides,

Trump 2017-2021 = ME and Ukraine (and the world) trending sharply towards peace. 

You can't dispute that, stupid.

I get that you can't understand it, but just remember I can predict those things. 

[User]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The next escalation occurred after Biden was put in the WH.

No, the escalation started when Russia literally invaded Ukraine. Biden becoming president is a matter of routine American elections. His incompetence and weakness emboldened Russia, but it was still Russia that actually did the invasion and escalation. 

 

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, User said:

No, the escalation started when Russia literally invaded Ukraine. Biden becoming president is a matter of routine American elections. His incompetence and weakness emboldened Russia, but it was still Russia that actually did the invasion and escalation. 

 

Russia started massing troops on Ukraine's border just after Biden's inauguration. 

I count that as an escalation... It's a huge deal imo. They put over 100,000 troops there. 

Then Russia attacked in 2022. 

[User]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Russia started massing troops on Ukraine's border just after Biden's inauguration. 

I count that as an escalation... It's a huge deal imo. They put over 100,000 troops there. 

Then Russia attacked in 2022. 

Yes, Russia escalated this with their troop build up and invasion. 

[impartialobserver]

Russia's issues with Ukraine predate the Biden Administration. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Russia's issues with Ukraine predate the Biden Administration. 

But the entire Israel debacle... that's ALL on Biden right?? 🤔

21 hours ago, Hodad said:

 

Ukraine didn't instigate anything--nor would they. 

So weird to me that those criticizing NATO are either hardcore commies or MAGA... 🤯

[BeaverFever]

On 10/16/2024 at 5:39 PM, WestCanMan said:

Well, yes, starting a war against a much more powerful country does mean that at some point you should consider yourself lucky if you still have the opportunity to surrender.

Putin started the war, you dumbass Putin puppet. 
 

And it’s really a question how much more powerful is considering that after 3 years they’re nowhere near victory and the Ukrainians have actually now seized Russian territory amd Putin can’t push them out. 

[I am Groot]

On 10/16/2024 at 5:39 PM, WestCanMan said:

Well, yes, starting a war against a much more powerful country does mean that at some point you should consider yourself lucky if you still have the opportunity to surrender.

TIL that when another country invades you it's YOUR fault for 'starting a war'. 

[I am Groot]

On 10/16/2024 at 5:47 PM, Five of swords said:

FYI, Russia labels the west as 'agreement incapable'. Ukraine openly admits it never intended to honor the Minsk agreement, for example. Know what that means? No reason to trust Ukraine would accept any terms of surrender. Meaning no surrender.

The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, also known as the "Big Treaty",[2][3] was an agreement signed in 1997 between Ukraine and Russia, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one another's country respectively, and declaring war.[4]
 

[WestCanMan]

On 10/18/2024 at 5:52 PM, BeaverFever said:

Putin started the war, you dumbass Putin puppet. 

It's Biden's proxy war, you credulous little propaganda victim.

The WHOLE POINT of Biden being in Ukraine, i.e. the official reason for Joe going there constantly as VP under Barack Obama, back when Hunter and Joe were bilking the country for millions, was to "rid the country of 'corruption and unwanted Russian influence' so that Ukraine could join NATO".

And the US wasn't just interfering there a little bit. The whole Euromaidan protest was orchestrated by the US - they had already spent over $5B there to bring Ukraine into the American sphere of influence at that point. It was the US that decided who could even run in Ukraine's last election (God forbid a strong leader - A Klitschko - runs the Ukraine and then decides to put an end to all the killing: Volodymyr the clown was the most malleable quisling they could foist on Ukraine). Joe openly bragged about choosing Ukraine's new top prosector after he unilaterally got Shokin fired. Joe openly talked about Ukraine joining NATO back in 2009 and he talked about Ukraine joining NATO again when he got elected.

Those are all facts, stupid. The US wears Ukraine like a glove, and they poked their finger up Russia's ass.

You could choose to say: "America's proxy war is making Russia look bad, and it was brilliant to start this war and drain Russia's military like this" if you think that all the lives lost, land seized, cities destroyed, and all the billions spent were worth it, and Russia won't emerge from this stronger than before, but to pretend that this is "Russia's war of expansion" just makes you an id10t. 

If you're so God-damned stupid or ignorant that you can't or won't understand any of that, that's your problem, but anyone with any brains and geopolitical awareness who reads these posts will understand that Ukraine-Russia is an American proxy war, period, it's costing hundreds of thousands of lives, and it's extremely dangerous.

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And it’s really a question how much more powerful is considering

You're so f'ing stupid that you can't even speak English.

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considering that after 3 years they’re nowhere near victory

Define "victory" for Russia...

Does it seem like they're trying to take Kiev to you?

It seems to me like their goal is to seize SE Ukraine, all the way from the Dnipro to the former Russian border, and that's where the battle lines are drawn as we speak.

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and the Ukrainians have actually now seized Russian territory amd Putin can’t push them out. 

I don't blame you for listening to the latest propaganda because you're a low-IQ cultist and it's overwhelming for your little pea-brain, but according to the propaganda that you're always regurgitating here Ukraine has also been winning this whole time, while Russian forces currently occupy almost 20% of Ukraine. Ukraine has hundreds of thousands of people buried now, and some flat cities ahead of Russia's advance. Can you explain to me how Ukrainians have been winning all these battles, all along, and yet the map keeps showing Russia growing and Ukraine shrinking?

Ask yourself: "If the city that I live in looked like Bakhmut does now, would I still consider my side to be winning?" 

Here's a little sumthin' for your own edification, dummy: instead of just listening to the latest propaganda and then running your mouth about it, only to end up proving how stupid you are, find an interactive map that shows where all the fighting currently is. Propagandists can lie all day about who's winning or losing, and they'll lie right to your face, but it's still a step too far for them to draw up their maps and pretend that there's a battle occurring where there isn't one.

FYI the areas called "Claimed Russian Advance" and "Claimed Limits of Ukrainian Advance" both fit into what we'd call "the fog of war" right now.

We don't know for certain how much troop strength for either side is in those areas, if Ukrainian forces are committed to holding any of that, if they believe that they can hold any of it long-term, or if it was just taken for a quick propaganda victory. Do they have any intention of holding it? Highly unlikely. The troops are most likely poised for immediate evacuation, otherwise it's a basic suicide mission. For all we know, maybe Ukrainian forces have fled those areas and even the Russians don't know it yet. Those are just areas of uncertainty.

I'll tell you what we do know from that map: the area that's theoretically controlled by Ukraine is surrounded on 3 sides by areas that are either known to be reclaimed by Russia or claimed to be reclaimed by Russia, and "in the middle of advancing enemy forces" is not "prime military real estate". If your unit got orders to go into that blue region, you'd be making your peace with God right now, moreso than if you were going to any other theatre of that war. 

Even Russian and Ukrainian brass need constant updates to know what the situation there is hour-by-hour, and minute-by-minute, so you sure as hell don't know what's going on there based on some CNN propaganda that you saw from the friendly confines of your mom's basement 4 days ago.  

Honestly, if you want to have even a shred of credibility when you talk about that war, just belch out less CNN propaganda - it's incredibly stupid - and say things like: "It looks like Ukraine is in no risk of losing their sovereignty now. That's a huge victory for tiny Ukraine, and a huge embarrassment for Putin and 'mighty' 🤣 Russia!!! This war, and all the senseless killing, will end soon." 

My quote is incredibly accurate, by leftard standards. Even prophetic:

1. Ukraine's sovereignty is not at risk, at all
2. It's your word against anyone else's if you want to pretend that Russia's goal is to seize Kiev
3. Keeping their sovereignty if Russia wanted to take them over really would be a victory
4. I don't think this war went swimmingly for Russia. US weapons technology clearly had a massive edge of Russia's
5. The killing absolutely is senseless, and chicks will dig it if you say that, you might even get to kiss your first non-plastic girl
6. When Trump gets elected, the war will end, so you'll actually impress people with your 'intelligence' for once. No need to thank me. 

Edited October 20, 2024 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

TIL that when another country invades you it's YOUR fault for 'starting a war'. 

If Canada decided that vax-fascism wasn't enough for us, and we wanted to go full communist, and then decided to join a military alliance with Russia, China, NoKO and Iran, what do you think the US would do? 

Would the US let Canada join a military alliance with Russia, China, NoKO and Iran? Yes or no?

Of course not. If they thought that we were serious about something like that, our sovereignty could be measured in minutes.

Now, when the invasion came, you could technically say that "The US started that war", and in the most literal sense you would be correct, but the reality of the situation is that the US would have been forced into starting that war by foreign powers. If they were busy supplying us with vehicles, drones, missiles, and artillery & other ordnance to kill American soldiers, that would make it a proxy war by definition.

The Russia-Ukraine war is a proxy war - by definition. It's just farcical to pretend that it's not.   

[User]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's Biden's proxy war, you credulous little propaganda victim.

Yes, a war Russia started and Biden and other NATO countries are supporting Ukraine. A war Russia started by starting their own proxy war in Ukraine in the Donbas, along with direct military intervention. 

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Those are all facts, stupid. The US wears Ukraine like a glove, and they poked their finger up Russia's ass.

Um, no. Russia was not poked at all. More like, Russia didn't like that Ukraine was wearing an American glove instead of their own, so here you are justifying and defending Russia starting a war over it. 

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Does it seem like they're trying to take Kiev to you?

Are you still pushing this lie?

Yeah, on day one, they certainly did try and got their asses kicked. 

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Ukraine's sovereignty is not at risk, at all

OMG, how dishonest can you possibly be?

Ukraine is literally fighting off a full scale invasion from Russia right now. 

 

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, a war Russia started and Biden and other NATO countries are supporting Ukraine. A war Russia started by starting their own proxy war in Ukraine in the Donbas, along with direct military intervention. 

Google "proxy war" ffs.

Try to find one dictionary or source that provides a meaning that doesn't 100% jive with what's going on in Ukraine right now.

Russia started the war only in the most literal of terms... The reason this war started in the first place and the way that it is being armed, supplied, financed and fought means that it actually IS a proxy war BY DEFINITION.

Our side isn't going to call it that, but when was the last time that a government just openly said: "We're not really 'just helping' those guys teehee. This is our own proxy war. We started this sh!t and all of these people are dying just because of us, but none of our people are even dying. Watching all those foreigners die just to advance our political goals is AWESOOOME!!!!"

That sounds a lot like "We're ruthless and evil", doesn't it?

Who would ever admit to that? 

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Um, no. Russia was not poked at all.

That's patently stupid. There's no way that you believe that.

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More like, Russia didn't like that Ukraine was wearing an American glove instead of their own, so here you are justifying and defending Russia starting a war over it. 

What is the Monroe Doctrine, User? What does it basically say? 

"No European countries can sell gloves anywhere in the Americas." Not just in major countries that border the US... "Anywhere in the Americas". 

The Americans sure do like their monopoly on gloves. 

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Are you still pushing this lie?

Oh, Russian troops are currently advancing on Kiev, are they? Can you point to the spot on the map where Russian forces are advancing towards Kiev?

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Yeah, on day one, they certainly did try and got their asses kicked. 

When the peace agreement was being worked on in Turkey, and it was actually signed btw (it's not just Russians who say that) - Biden just nixed it, Russian forces retreated. They have never advanced in the direction of Kiev since then.

• Wiki: The Russian Kyiv convoy was a large column of Russian military vehicles stretching some 64 kilometres (40 mi) in Kyiv Oblast from Prybirsk [uk] to Hostomel via Ivankiv^[1] involved in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It has been noted for initially threatening Kyiv, but then halting due to unclear reasons...
• "Reasons..." look like this: Wiki: There have been several rounds of peace talks to halt the Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present) and end the Russo-Ukrainian War (2014–present) in an armistice. The first meeting was held four days after the start of the invasion, on 28 February 2022, in Belarus. It concluded without result, with delegations from both sides returning to their capitals for consultations.^[1] A second and third round of talks took place on 3 and 7 March 2022,^[2][3] on the Belarus–Ukraine border, in an undisclosed location in the Gomel region of Belarus.^[4] A fourth and fifth round of talks were respectively held on 10 and 14 March in Antalya, Turkey.^[5][6]
• On 2 April 2022 the whole of Kyiv Oblast, where the column was deployed, was declared free of Russian troops by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense after Russian troops had left the area.^[5]

You can claim that "Ukraine just wiped them out" or whatever, but that's now what happened. 

The flurry of peace talks that Russia engaged in, back when they were theoretically trying to conquer Kiev, is telling. 

Leftards are constantly trying to pretend that "Putin is another Hitler", but tell me, how many times did Hitler enter into peace talks when his troops were on their way to Poland, France, etc? 

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OMG, how dishonest can you possibly be?

Ukraine is literally fighting off a full scale invasion from Russia right now. 

As a courtesy, I'm just going to pretend that you were just talking out of your ass when you said that, and you're not really that stupid. 

Edited October 20, 2024 by WestCanMan

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's Biden's proxy war, you credulous little propaganda victim.

It’s Putin’s, you gullible dumbass. 
 

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Hunter and Joe were bilking the country for millions

More lies, you gullible dumbass

 

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The whole Euromaidan protest was orchestrated by the US

No, putin puppet. You’re just repeating kremlin propaganda again. Euromaidanwas prott against the Kremlin-installed brutal and corrupt puppet who had his opponents and journalists jailed, beaten up or killed, and unilaterally vetoed the EU Association Agreement which had been supported by Ukrainian parliament and most Ukrainians, replacing it instead with an association agreement with Russia and its shitty satellites, all of whom have backwards corrupt economies. Most Ukrainians want to travel and trade with the advanced economies of Europe not fuking Kyrgyzstan, outer Siberia and the Russian mafia. 

The whole rest of your diatribe is pathetic copypasta from the Kremlin. 
 

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If you're so God-damned stupid or ignorant that you can't or won't understand any of that, that's your problem, but anyone with any brains and geopolitical awareness who reads these posts will understand that Ukraine-Russia is an American proxy war, period,

Hilarious when I first educated YOU about the recent history of Ukraine you admitted that you didn’t know anything about it and didn’t care. Now you think you’re some sort of expert. Typical of your type:  dumb and ignorant > gullible > self-taught expert > even more dumb and ignorant. 

 

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Define "victory" for Russia...

Does it seem like they're trying to take Kiev to you?

It seems to me like their goal is to seize SE Ukraine, all the way from the Dnipro to the former Russian border, and that's where the battle lines are drawn as we speak.

You self-lobotomized mor0n do you not recall that in Feb 2022 Russia invaded Ukraine on multiple fronts and was on the outskirts of Kyiv before they got their asses handed to them and that summer they were pushed all the way back across the Dnipro or into Belarus? That was definitely a heavily reported event and heavily discussed on this forum that you were definitely aware of at the time. Your ability to delete inconvenient facts from your memory is astounding. 
 

 

As for the rest of your diatribe, where you not only get wrong what I said but also basic facts about the war:

While Russia is recapturing  very small amounts of territory in Eastern Ukraine - largely thanks to help from pro-Putin Republicans in congress who choked off military aid -  they are losing an enormous amount of liberal doing so:  human wave after human wave. Russia has suffered thousands of casualties per square mile gained, 1,200 per day. 675,000 casualties to date. These casualty rates aren’t sustainable. Russia still holds significantly less Ukrainian territory than they did at their peak of the 2022 invasion  

BTW Bakhmut is a village, not a city. While Russia barbarically and deliberately targets civilians by bombarding cities, it hasn’t flattened any actual cities, only villages. 

Putin started this war. This is his war you ignorant brainwashed dope. 

[Hodad]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Our side isn't going to call it that, but 

But your side IS calling it a proxy war. For propaganda purposes, of course. 

But it's obviously not, in that your side invaded another sovereign nation without provocation. And you sorely misjudged the will of the Ukrainian people to remain free and the willingness of other democracies to provide them aid.