Why Trump is Going to Prison

[Rebound]

The Times analyzed all of the convictions for the same crime that Donald Trump was convicted for. 

Over 1/3 of convictions identical to Trump’s went to prison in Manhattan. State-wide, 42% of convictions resulted in prison time. 

So why would Trump fall into the 1/3 and not into the 2/3? Several reasons:

• The lightest sentences went to those who plead guilty and a plea bargain was accepted.
• Trump was in contempt of court several times, fined $10,000 twice, threatened the judge’s daughter, and the judge had to threaten Trump with jail if he did not stop committing contempt of court.
• Remorse is a major factor in determining sentencing. Pretty much anyone who’s paying attention knows that Trump clearly has shown no remorse whatsoever for the 34 felonies he was convicted of. In fact, he’s shown the opposite. 
• The judge in the case has shown willingness to put white collar criminals in prison, stating that all criminals must be treated equally in the law. 
• Criminal sentencing is intended to deter the convicted criminal of not committing the crime again. There is no reasonable expectation that a non-remorseful, contemptuous individual will be deterred if he does not receive a prison sentence.

The judge is required to receive confidential recommendations from the probation department and from the prosecuting attorney. These reports will also play a role in the decision whether to sentence the former President to prison. But it appears more likely than not that, if Trump is not re-elected, he will receive a prison sentence in the case. If he is re-elected, the sentence will probably be delayed until after his term, and then, the 82 year-old will be sentenced.

[WestCanMan]

• Why Trump is Going to Prison...

• The Times analyzed all of the polls in the swing states, as did Biden and his DoJ, and they came to the obvious conclusion... Democracy must be subverted now in order for the Dems to cling to power.

[Rebound]

59 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

• Why Trump is Going to Prison...

• The Times analyzed all of the polls in the swing states, as did Biden and his DoJ, and they came to the obvious conclusion... Democracy must be subverted now in order for the Dems to cling to power.

BTW, Michael Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison over the exact same crimes, and Cohen entered a guilty plea.  
 

And Cohen didn’t threaten the judge’s children, or get cited for contempt of court multiple times.  

Edited October 8, 2024 by Rebound

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

The Times analyzed all of the convictions for the same crime that Donald Trump was convicted for. 

Over 1/3 of convictions identical to Trump’s went to prison in Manhattan. State-wide, 42% of convictions resulted in prison time. 

So why would Trump fall into the 1/3 and not into the 2/3? Several reasons:

• The lightest sentences went to those who plead guilty and a plea bargain was accepted.
• Trump was in contempt of court several times, fined $10,000 twice, threatened the judge’s daughter, and the judge had to threaten Trump with jail if he did not stop committing contempt of court.
• Remorse is a major factor in determining sentencing. Pretty much anyone who’s paying attention knows that Trump clearly has shown no remorse whatsoever for the 34 felonies he was convicted of. In fact, he’s shown the opposite. 
• The judge in the case has shown willingness to put white collar criminals in prison, stating that all criminals must be treated equally in the law. 
• Criminal sentencing is intended to deter the convicted criminal of not committing the crime again. There is no reasonable expectation that a non-remorseful, contemptuous individual will be deterred if he does not receive a prison sentence.

The judge is required to receive confidential recommendations from the probation department and from the prosecuting attorney. These reports will also play a role in the decision whether to sentence the former President to prison. But it appears more likely than not that, if Trump is not re-elected, he will receive a prison sentence in the case. If he is re-elected, the sentence will probably be delayed until after his term, and then, the 82 year-old will be sentenced.

  ♭   When you wish upon a star...♩ ♫

[Fluffypants]

50 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The Times analyzed all of the convictions for the same crime that Donald Trump was convicted for. 

Over 1/3 of convictions identical to Trump’s went to prison in Manhattan. State-wide, 42% of convictions resulted in prison time. 

So why would Trump fall into the 1/3 and not into the 2/3? Several reasons:

• The lightest sentences went to those who plead guilty and a plea bargain was accepted.
• Trump was in contempt of court several times, fined $10,000 twice, threatened the judge’s daughter, and the judge had to threaten Trump with jail if he did not stop committing contempt of court.
• Remorse is a major factor in determining sentencing. Pretty much anyone who’s paying attention knows that Trump clearly has shown no remorse whatsoever for the 34 felonies he was convicted of. In fact, he’s shown the opposite. 
• The judge in the case has shown willingness to put white collar criminals in prison, stating that all criminals must be treated equally in the law. 
• Criminal sentencing is intended to deter the convicted criminal of not committing the crime again. There is no reasonable expectation that a non-remorseful, contemptuous individual will be deterred if he does not receive a prison sentence.

The judge is required to receive confidential recommendations from the probation department and from the prosecuting attorney. These reports will also play a role in the decision whether to sentence the former President to prison. But it appears more likely than not that, if Trump is not re-elected, he will receive a prison sentence in the case. If he is re-elected, the sentence will probably be delayed until after his term, and then, the 82 year-old will be sentenced.

If he is elected President I dare them to try to throw him in jail, that should be funny.

Ain't happening this case is getting thrown out on appeal just like Leticia's is about to be.

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

BTW, Michael Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison over the exact same crimes, and Cohen entered a guilty plea.  
 

And Cohen didn’t threaten the judge’s children, or get cited for contempt of court multiple times.  

No he wasn't, he was convicted of tax evasion.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Rebound said:

BTW, Michael Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison over the exact same crimes, and Cohen entered a guilty plea.  
 

And Cohen didn’t threaten the judge’s children, or get cited for contempt of court multiple times.  

No he wasn't. The crime wasn't the same at all. 

Cohen was sentanced for criminal tax evasion.  Trump has not been accused of tax evasion.  Cohen was also sentanced for criminal campaign contributions.  Trump was not accused of that at all. 

The charges are NOTHING REMOTELY like one another. 

Trump was charged with the misdemeanor of putting a payment under legal expenses when the court thinks it should have gone somewhere else.  But  he paid all his taxes and it wasn't a contribution. 

Its' not even a misdemeanor anywhere else in the country so it's not surprising nobody has ever  been charged as trump was. 

The misdemeanor ONLY becomes a felony if it was done to hide another felony crime.  And they did NOT HAVE TO PROVE that ANY such crime happened at all, and the jury didn't even have to agree on WHICH crime it might have been. 

This is a first in history.  Sorry the op news story is just propaganda. 

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, Rebound said:

BTW, Michael Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison over the exact same crimes,

Wrong.

No one ever went to jail for non-crimes that were past the statute of limitations for the nearest imaginable charge. 

[WestCanMan]

Mods, Rebound wants the thread title changed to:

😭 Twumpie's winning and I don wanna pway thu ewection game no moe 😭 

Edited October 8, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong.

No one ever went to jail for non-crimes that were past the statute of limitations for the nearest imaginable charge. 

Lol. They were crimes, you weirdo. What he did was quite plainly illegal. You can whine about the window for the statute of limitations being extended (broadly, not just for Trump) but that's rather petty and pointless. It's a done deal and he did commit the crimes. You just don't like your hero being held accountable for his actions.

 

[Rebound]

15 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

If he is elected President I dare them to try to throw him in jail, that should be funny.

Ain't happening this case is getting thrown out on appeal just like Leticia's is about to be.

No he wasn't, he was convicted of tax evasion.

Trump’s crime was elevated to felony in part because he reported the payments as tax-deductible legal expenses instead of non-tax-deductible hush money payments.  

Edited October 9, 2024 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Trump’s crime was elevated to felony in part because he reported the payments as tax-deductible legal expenses instead of non-tax-deductible hush money payments.  

That is not true. Both would be expenses.  There was never any suggestion that this was tax fraud. You can bet that would have been in the charges. 

Lets be clear - in any other jurisdiction nobody cares what ledger column you put an expense under as long as you pay your tax and he DID pay his tax. 

It became a felony IF -  IF the jury believed he did SOME OTHER FEDERAL CRIME.  And they didn't even have to agree WHCIH crime or what it was, the crime did not have to be proven.  Just that they had to believe it. It's been called teh 'tinkerbell' felony because you don't have to prove it but if everyone wishes really hard it'll exist. 

this really is the first time for this. 

[Fluffypants]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Trump’s crime was elevated to felony in part because he reported the payments as tax-deductible legal expenses instead of non-tax-deductible hush money payments.  

Where are the tax evasion charges then?

If was because he was evading taxes where is the charge, if you are able to prove the other 35 felonies you surely could prove that one but they gave the jury multiple possible crimes to choose from that they never proved.

[CrakHoBarbie]

Far above and beyond any other cases against donald, he attempted to stay in power through fraud.

He willfully hatched and implemented a plan to install fake electors in multiple states in an attempt at disenfranchising millions of voters and retaining power.  He then attempted to coerce his vice president to certify those fraudulent electors, or at the very least, refuse to certify the legitimate electors. 

Donald doesn't even deny he did it.

He publicly stated that his attempts at retaining power were " an official act".

He called his attempted coup d'état an "official act ".

And his sycophants lap that up like they lap up his dangling scrotum.

That makes donald an attempted usurper and a traitor. 

 

[Rebound]

25 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Where are the tax evasion charges then?

If was because he was evading taxes where is the charge, if you are able to prove the other 35 felonies you surely could prove that one but they gave the jury multiple possible crimes to choose from that they never proved.

The prosecution did prove the other crimes because the jury returned 34 felony verdicts, which was only possible if the jury believed beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump reported the payments fraudulently as part of the additional crimes of tax evasion and/or election interference.  

[robosmith]

23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

• Why Trump is Going to Prison...

• The Times analyzed all of the polls in the swing states, as did Biden and his DoJ, and they came to the obvious conclusion... Democracy must be subverted now in order for the Dems to cling to power.

^LYING with ZERO EVIDENCE

22 hours ago, Legato said:

  ♭   When you wish upon a star...♩ ♫

^TROLL

21 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong.

No one ever went to jail for non-crimes that were past the statute of limitations for the nearest imaginable charge. 

^STILL hasn't read the LAW. 

[robosmith]

21 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Mods, Rebound wants the thread title changed to:

😭 Twumpie's winning and I don wanna pway thu ewection game no moe 😭 

^LYING AGAIN.

1 hour ago, Fluffypants said:

Where are the tax evasion charges then?

If was because he was evading taxes where is the charge, if you are able to prove the other 35 felonies you surely could prove that one but they gave the jury multiple possible crimes to choose from that they never proved.

READ THE LAW. Duh

[Legato]

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^TROLL

 

We trolls are going to band together and root out all loud caps users. Beware.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

^LYING AGAIN.

READ THE LAW. Duh

Law says you're wrong.  Why are you so cranky?  Did they arrest the immigrant you get your slave-zucchinis from or something?

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Law says you're wrong.  Why are you so cranky?  Did they arrest the immigrant you get your slave-zucchinis from or something?

Law says Trump is a 34 time felon.  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Law says Trump is a 34 time felon.  

No,  a lower court judge has said that.  And it's a judge who has a very personal stake in it. 

And '34 times' is a joke  it was the same offense they simply recounted 34  times to get to a higher number.  It was 1 crime.

And when you play that lying game you just drive people into trump's camp. It's like saying "Ghandi was a felon".  True, technically, but nobody really buys that. they locked mandella up for being a 'felon'. 

Simply saying it when there's NO meaning behind it just so you can say the words harms you more than helps you.  It's too bad the documents trial didn't go forward in a more timely fashion and it's too bad they screwed the evidence, but at least people believed that was a real crime if he was guilty.  This crap? Its so 'banana republic' it should be selling shirts and pants. 

[robosmith]

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No,  a lower court judge has said that.  And it's a judge who has a very personal stake in it. 

And '34 times' is a joke  it was the same offense they simply recounted 34  times to get to a higher number.  It was 1 crime.

And when you play that lying game you just drive people into trump's camp. It's like saying "Ghandi was a felon".  True, technically, but nobody really buys that. they locked mandella up for being a 'felon'. 

Simply saying it when there's NO meaning behind it just so you can say the words harms you more than helps you.  It's too bad the documents trial didn't go forward in a more timely fashion and it's too bad they screwed the evidence, but at least people believed that was a real crime if he was guilty.  This crap? Its so 'banana republic' it should be selling shirts and pants. 

It's unfortunate that you don't understand your amateur legal opinions MEAN NOTHING.

You're just wasting your time with your meaningless scribbling about laws you don't understand.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's unfortunate that you don't understand your amateur legal opinions MEAN NOTHING.

 

That's exactly the same thing you said when I said that colorado and the other states were Wrong because they simply didn't have the authority to make the determination about trump's supposed crimes such that they could keep him off the ballot.

Strangely enough the courts ruled that colorado and the other states were wrong because they simply don't have the authority to make the determination about trump's supposed crimes such that they could keep him off the ballot

Turns out my amateur legal opinions are pretty good and very frequently accurate. You're the one that's constantly wrong so Not only are your amateur legal opinions useless, your amateur opinion about other people's amateur opinion about legal issues is also useless

Thats like compound useless! Well done   You can now be useless at an olympic level!!