Why B.C voters should reject Socialism or quasi-Socialism and vote B.C. Conservative

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

As I've stated the legacy of a guy who oversaw ONE new McDonalds built while every other employer in the riding failed and shuttered during his tenure as MLA does not exactly meet the ideals of a person qualified to lead the whole province.

 

The legacy you're talking about is horgan's and now ebys. They are the gov't. 

Do i need to get a white board out to go over how our system works again?

[Nefarious Banana]

Eby's done nothing for this province.  The economy is stalled.  Left wing-dings just don't know how $$ is generated.  Turn the page, vote the NDP out.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Eby's done nothing for this province.  The economy is stalled.  Left wing-dings just don't know how $$ is generated.  Turn the page, vote the NDP out.

Yeah, I just watched the debate and it was a little painful. All Eby could talk about is how bad A job the liberals did when they were in power. And every time he said that I thought but you've been in power for 7 years and everything has gotten worse.

Hell after 7 years all you could do is get herbie one McDonald's and he's still pissed about it   

The NDP record is disastrous. Hopefully people will remember that

[blackbird]

Watched the debate last night between NDP leader David Eby, BC Conservative leader John Rustad and Green leader Mz Furstenau.  Premier Eby seemed to be flailing all over the place while BC Conservative leader John Rustad kept sharply focused on the main issues and did not fall for the attempts by Eby to divert to meaningless issues.  Rustad did not flinch and proved himself a capable leader.

[herbie]

Yeah, they 'teamed up' against his wooden pitiful presentation. And didn't even fact check his bullshit claim "the NDP" will double the carbon tax.
Sonia Firstenau stood out as most sensible, Eby made his points well and everyone agrees there was no clear winner but Rustad was the loser.

While I do not agree with her LNG policy, I do agree that we have to end all subsidies for oil & gas in BC and that the NDP has not done enough for green energy. I just drove from 160 km outside Prince George to Abbotsford down Hwy16 & 99 and back along the Coq and while I did notice many EV charging stations I saw no solar farms and not one single wind turbine along the way. Pitiful.
And Rustad refuses to even consider them as viable solutions which makes him an enemy of progress.
As does his asinine dependence on crime issues meant to fool the woefully ignorant who think Provinces make criminal law. Worse yet, his repeatedly tying 'crime' to the drug issue. Much like some of the severely retarded that inhabit this forum, a drug policy only a couple years old and the fact tweaks to adjust them indicate a "total failure", his moronic solution is no more than return to policies that were a total failure for 100 years.

To repeat the best quote of the debate, from Sonia Firstenau: Rustad's vision for BC comes from 1957.
A vision of 37 mines ready to open if only there wasn't the red tape of local, first nations and environmental approval.......

Anyone undecided with a brain that saw that debate would suddenly lose their enthusiasm for a Conservative victory,

[blackbird]

The BC NDP are ahead of the BC Conservatives in the polls.  We can expect a continued train wreck of Socialism in B.C.  Health care will likely not improve and taxes will probably increase as will the provincial debt.  The revolving door of criminals will likely continue and drug addiction will probably get worse or no better.  All this is bad news for B.C. residents.  That's the reality of having a large brainwashed population that think government can solve all problems and provide everything.   NDP will continue to hamstring the resource industries and continue carbon taxes in one form or another.

[Aristides]

My biggest problem with the NDP is the way they are increasing the provincial  debt.

[herbie]

So voluntarily remit more taxes tan you have to.

Like FFS, what would you reduce spending on? Maybe we should've "saved" all that money fixing the Coq after the floods and dent people back up the Canyon. Could've covered the N Van shit treatment plant AND reopened IOCO as a coal burner. COuld let everything rot for another decade. Privatized the Hospitals.

Wouldn't win you any seats.

Be realistic, Rustad will cut and you know it. Hand out money to 'traditional' industries cuz that's what he knows. Probably remove rent controls as he'll claim it will boost more housing, centralize School Boards and Hospital administration. Stop any further minimum wage increases, make a lower one for servers cuz 'they get tax free tips' and count on customers to pay wages instead of employers. Hike ICBC and raise all fees for services.
You know he will, he was in Cabinet for the last govt that did or attempted to do all of those things.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

So voluntarily remit more taxes tan you have to.

 

So you're suggestion is that taxes should be voluntary now? if I can't lower mine then i shoudln't have to consider raising them either.  Either everyone pays their tax rates or we get to make it up 

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Like FFS, what would you reduce spending on?

How about all that money we wasted on safe supply which wound up killing our high school kids while more addicts than ever died? That might be a good start. It would be nice to have that back.

Maybe we need to look at a freeze on some of those lush union contracts. There's a lot of fat there and we should ban any clause addressing automation. We're a province of 5 million people roughly and 500,000 of them work for the gov't. And that's not including health care workers.  That's 1 in 10 people just to run the province. That's insane. 

And of course we can always increase revenues.  All those businesses you hate so much that the ndp has been driving away?  turns out they and their employees all pay taxes.  Make it worthwhile for them to grow and taxes "go up" on their own. 

Their home program is pretty wasteful too.  Much better ways to come up with lower income housing and 5 billion on trying to build your own is grossly ineffective.  Let the market do it's job and incenivise it, gov't sucks at building housing. 

we might not be able to afford all the grants and subsidies that the gov'ts been giving out like candy. We may have to pick and choose a bit there. 

We can also pressure the feds to bring in less immigrants. 

And that's a start. 

there's a tonne of places to cut, and there's a tonne of places where we can encourage business to grow by lowering red tape and taxes to increase income in the long run. 

But you're a leftist like trudeau and think we can just keep borrowing more and more money forever and there's no consequence.  🙄🙄🙄  

Like trudeau hasn't shown you how that works out?

[blackbird]

Most people don't pay much attention to debt numbers of their provincial governments but this could be serious.

In 2019, the B.C. government debt worked out to $9,175 per person in B.C.

It is projected that in five years from now the government debt per person in B.C. could be $36,909.

Just how this will impact the lives of people in B.C. is the question.  How will it impact the services provided by government to the people of B.C.?  The interest on debt must be paid.  That comes out of the provincial budget.  In other words the more money the government must pay on the debt, the less money they have for everything else.

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How did this happen?

Two words—spending growth. B.C.’s former status as a low-debt province was due to 15 years of spending restraint that produced mostly balanced budgets (outside of recessions) and minimal debt growth.

Since the change of government in 2017, however, the rate of spending growth has exploded and, no surprise, so have budget deficits. It didn’t have to be this way. If the Horgan and Eby governments had simply maintained spending close to the rate of inflation plus population growth, as their predecessors did for many years, B.C. would be in a much different situation today.

It’s much harder to build a sandcastle than it is to kick it over. Similarly, it took more than a decade of prudent management and hard decisions to establish B.C. as one of the most fiscally sound provinces in Canada. But it’s taken less than a decade of free spending to drive the province into large deficits, rack up mountains of debt, and earn the unfortunate distinction of having the least sustainable finances in Canada."

Numbers don’t lie—the B.C. government’s debt has exploded | Fraser Institute

Edited October 11, 2024 by blackbird

[herbie]

Fortunately the bulk of citizens are not bean counters or their lackey institutions. Govt spends to stimulate the economy and only the sheer pessimists and those invested in the disadvantage to others disagree.

Throw in decades of neglect, missed opportunities and typical moronic management that can no longer be ignored.
Did the Bennets, VanDerZalms and Campbells foresee pipeline needs, infrastructure maintenance, population growth and trends? Wasn't Christie Clark a decade late to get onboard LNG, was she too ' liberal woke' to ask for concessions on Northern Gateway?
You're running a Province, not a shop and not an ideology.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Fortunately the bulk of citizens are not bean counters or their lackey institutions. Govt spends to stimulate the economy and only the sheer pessimists and those invested in the disadvantage to others disagree.

 

And people who don't like seeing inflation go up. And people who don't like seeing interest rates go up. And people who don't like seeing their taxes go up and their service delivery go down. 

Turns our that's actually quite a few people  

Anyone with a brain knows that gov't spending drives up inflation. And borrowing money means more tax dollars have to pay for debt servicing and less is available to buy services. 

You don't need to be much of a bean counter these days to see from your rent, or the size of your grocery bag what deficit spending to "boost the economy" has done to canada. 

[herbie]

Here's hoping the out of work from Rustad's hometown's biggest employer, their spouses and eligible kids show up to vote him out.
He sure isn't gonna do well from the polls in this part of the riding.

Still no costing released for his promises. Couple more nasty candidate scandals in the last few days, and he hasn't shown the balls to boot them out.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Here's hoping the out of work from Rustad's hometown's biggest employer, their spouses and eligible kids show up to vote him out.

 

Holding the man not responsible for our provincial economy out isn't going to do them much good. I suppose they might very well do that if they're all as dumb as you are. You realize if they do vote him out I'm going to be asking every week how many McDonald's there are in your riding now   

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He sure isn't gonna do well from the polls in this part of the riding.

Still no costing released for his promises. Couple more nasty candidate scandals in the last few days, and he hasn't shown the balls to boot them out.

 

He's actually gone up in the last few days. It's still neck and neck, this could very easily turn out to be a turnout election, meaning a small difference in turnout could push it one way or another. That does tend to favour the NDP though, They have a more polished get out the vote team

[herbie]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'm going to be asking every week how many McDonald's there are in your riding now

I guess, that is 'progress' to a spongebrain.
Give 'em 2 or 3 places to sip coffee while they wait for the train, bus, and jobs that aren't there anymore.

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, herbie said:

I guess, that is 'progress' to a spongebrain.

Well that would explain why you've been bringing it up all the time  

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Give 'em 2 or 3 places to sip coffee while they wait for the train, bus, and jobs that aren't there anymore.

Because of the ndp  so we'll see if MOAR ndp gets you those mcdonalds you want or magically makes the jobs reappear 

[ExFlyer]

On 10/10/2024 at 7:09 PM, blackbird said:

The BC NDP are ahead of the BC Conservatives in the polls.  We can expect a continued train wreck of Socialism in B.C.  Health care will likely not improve and taxes will probably increase as will the provincial debt.  The revolving door of criminals will likely continue and drug addiction will probably get worse or no better.  All this is bad news for B.C. residents.  That's the reality of having a large brainwashed population that think government can solve all problems and provide everything.   NDP will continue to hamstring the resource industries and continue carbon taxes in one form or another.

BC as been in power almost entirely since Barrett won in 1972.

BC is socialist and has been...even before NDP it was Social Credit with WACky Bennie and fruit of his loins, son Bill LOL

[herbie]

On the contrary.
Son of WAC Bennet was too chickenshit to do as his father did in fear of being labelled socialist. Began the rush to privatize and sell off things.
The Zalm was even worse. Welfare cuts, PST hikes
So was Campbell giving away the railway, thwarted in his attempt to sell off the power lines, MSP hikes.
Christie Clark was 'too liberal' for asking that BC receive any benefit whatsoever from pipelines.

But all of them were not so stupid to end the ALR or hand off the revenue pool that is ICBC. All could only get involved in mega projects no one would call socialist. THEN
-no doubt skytrains, Coq & Sea2Sky highways, dams and ferry expansion would condemned as socialism by today's pseudo-conservatives.

Kind of like the Yanks peeing into the wind about 'socialized medicine" when they're the only ones that don't have it.

[Old Guy]

On 9/28/2024 at 5:57 PM, CdnFox said:

He appears to mean that in other countries socialistic governments have led to famine and death and that absolutely is true.

Ooops!  Triggered commie socialist is triggered!    

You can always tell a conservative because faced with a well reasoned argument they rely on resort to name calling.

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

You can always tell a conservative because faced with a well reasoned argument they rely on resort to name calling.

You can always tell a lefty because a) When they face an argument from a conservative that demonstrates that they're wrong they will always turn around and blame the conservative for their error  and b)  They're stupid enough to actually post an argument or counter argument in the same post that they insist the conservatives never make an argument or counter-argument    

 

And of course as we see here they're stupid enough to complain that OTHERS don't offer arguments and just insult while offering no argument and just being insulting.   

 

This is why left-wing governments always absolutely tank and destroy the country or province. You guys can't think your way out of a paper bag and you want that fact to be everyone else's fault instead of improving yourselves

Edited October 14, 2024 by CdnFox

[Old Guy]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You can always tell a lefty because a) When they face an argument from a conservative that demonstrates that they're wrong they will always turn around and blame the conservative for their error  and b)  They're stupid enough to actually post an argument or counter argument in the same post that they insist the conservatives never make an argument or counter-argument    

 

And of course as we see here they're stupid enough to complain that OTHERS don't offer arguments and just insult while offering no argument and just being insulting.   

 

This is why left-wing governments always absolutely tank and destroy the country or province. You guys can't think your way out of a paper bag and you want that fact to be everyone else's fault instead of improving yourselves

My bad I missed your earlier post but I will answer it because just a quick glance tells me you are adept at pulling numbers out of your but. There are not 500,000 people employed by the provincial civil service its more like 38,000. I have to make dinner so may not make it back tonight.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Old Guy said:

My bad I missed your earlier post but I will answer it because just a quick glance tells me you are adept at pulling numbers out of your but.

You mean stating facts?   Yeah i'm usually pretty good at that  

Fair enough about the other post thing, we all read ahead and miss things sometimes, so lets address that. 

As a courtesy I won['t mention what you seem to be good at pulling out of your ass  

 

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There are not 500,000 people employed by the provincial civil service its more like 38,000. I have to make dinner so may not make it back tonight.

 

That would be provincial only, but for all gov't agencies, many of which overlap and do the same jobs, its' about 24 percent of our labour force. it used to be about 18 percent back in 2011.

CCPA-BC_Public_Sector_Reality_Check_0.pdf (policyalternatives.ca)

We were still about 18 percent of the labour force in 2018.  That was just after horgan took over 

Comparing Government and Private Sector Compensation in British Columbia, 2019 (fraserinstitute.org)

And we were hitting our budgets and doing fairly well. 

But since covid our gov't employees have SKYROCETED. 

Across Canada, headline statistics suggest the labour market has recovered from the COVID recession and in many respects improved since then. However, a closer look at the numbers complicates the story. As noted in a recent study published by the Fraser Institute, in all 10 provinces the rate of job growth in the government sector has exceeded growth in the private sector. Nowhere is that more true than British Columbia, where nearly all net job creation since the start of the pandemic has occurred in the government sector while private-sector job growth has been essentially nonexistent.

And that's without health care workers  which is a quarter million alone, or the crown corps like bc ferries which when you add them all up is something like another 100 k ish. 

BC used to brag we had a lower total gov't count than most other provinces which averaged about 25 percent of the labour force Now we're as bad or worse and still growing. 

so your figure of 38 thousand is radically off.  Hell we've got that many just in the provincial gov't offices.   

Now i did a quick and dirty count based on our  population when it should have been of the working population but the 25 percent figure is not inaccurate. And while that might currently be the average for most provinces as well there's a lot of room for us to get back to the 15 or 18% range instead of the 25.

 

But sure. come back and tell me how math works ya twinkie   

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2024 by CdnFox

[herbie]

So with only 4 days before the vote the Cons released their costing.

EVEN BIGGER DEFICIT than NDP or Green's. Not even a shred of classic conservatism beyond sucking up to big business.

Also enjoyed seeing a couple interviewed at an advance poll and asked why they were voting Conservative. "Because they were sick of Trudeau"..... 🤦‍♂️

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

So with only 4 days before the vote the Cons released their costing.

EVEN BIGGER DEFICIT than NDP or Green's. Not even a shred of classic conservatism beyond sucking up to big business.

Also enjoyed seeing a couple interviewed at an advance poll and asked why they were voting Conservative. "Because they were sick of Trudeau"..... 🤦‍♂️

So you'll be voting for them then  

[blackbird]

"

B.C.: Billions spent on mental health and addictions, along with a decriminalization model and safe supply project that haven’t reduced deaths

The government of B.C. has invested almost $2 billion of direct, indirect and targeted funding into the province’s toxic drug crisis since 2014, according to an audit by Glacier Media.

However, experts say these investments have not done enough to lower the number of overdose deaths."

Adding up the billions of government dollars directed at Canada’s opioid crisis - Business in Vancouver (biv.com)

 Surely two billion dollars could have gone a long way to improving the health care system and other problems in B.C.

Edited October 18, 2024 by blackbird