Alternative history

[myata]

Now, we can imagine it. In the election of 1940, one of the candidates openly runs on the platform of finding a common ground with Hitler and the Axis. Just give him what he wants; Poland, all of Europe, sure. Maybe a half of the Britain too, with a line somewhere by London. We will see what happens next. But now, I bring you the peace.

What happens next, can we begin guessing? Divided Britain falls. Without massive American aid, Russia is driven into the frozen Siberia. Japan dominates China and Far East. Massive, unlimited supplies of resources and cannon fodder.

Victories in Northern Africa, Sicily: didn't happen. No victories. Perhaps, the States held their own in the Pacific: perhaps.

U.S. has no allies. Chose to forget, throw out the memorandums and obligations, like never happened.

Next? There's a dominant force in the world now. And slowly, one by one, world begins to fall to it. Conventions? Rules? Which ones, why? We make all conventions and rules now. Here, let's vote. The darkness falls.

Probably takes a while to digest the grabs. But then... where would the eyes turn, then? What is still standing, what was the word, "free"? Why should it be standing there, giving impossible hopes, disturbing the "peace"?

Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Alaska... Canada... where was the last stand? How did it go?

Why prophesies? Who wants to be scared? It didn't happen back then, for a reason.

We can know. We can remember. But the time holds no promises to anyone. False, lying promises and excuses had zero value to it.

Good that we knew.

[Rebound]

You are exactly right.

The “America First” Republicans were 100% wrong in 1940 and they’re 100% wrong today. Republicans pretend to be the military defense experts, but they were absolutely wrong about WW II, and they did all they could to prevent FDR from preparing for a war he knew was inevitable. To this day, they make up conspiracy theories that the attack on Pearl Harbor was somehow rigged… which is beyond foolish, as if the President of the US conspired with a foreign nation to stage an attack on his own Navy so that the two nations could fight in a brutal war.  Clearly, the foolish have a political party made just for themselves. 

Edited September 26, 2024 by Rebound

[robosmith]

49 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You are exactly right.

The “America First” Republicans were 100% wrong in 1940 and they’re 100% wrong today. Republicans pretend to be the military defense experts, but they were absolutely wrong about WW II, and they did all they could to prevent FDR from preparing for a war he knew was inevitable. To this day, they make up conspiracy theories that the attack on Pearl Harbor was somehow rigged… which is beyond foolish, as if the President of the US conspired with a foreign nation to stage an attack on his own Navy so that the two nations could fight in a brutal war.  Clearly, the foolish have a political party made just for themselves. 

No conspiracy was necessary for the POTUS to know what was going to happen and fail to adequately prepare for it.

Just like in Israel last year, there were significant advantages to pretending they didn't know in advance.

At least for those in charge. The collaterals were not so lucky.

Just remember, all of the aircraft carriers were out to sea when Pearl was attacked cause those assets were CRITICAL for the war.

 

[Rebound]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No conspiracy was necessary for the POTUS to know what was going to happen and fail to adequately prepare for it.

Just like in Israel last year, there were significant advantages to pretending they didn't know in advance.

At least for those in charge. The collaterals were not so lucky.

Just remember, all of the aircraft carriers were out to sea when Pearl was attacked cause those assets were CRITICAL for the war.

 

What you’ve just stated is merely conspiracy theory.  And the simplest counter to it is this: There is zero evidence that the U.S. knew of this attack and no evidence that they could have known.  We didn’t have satellites and we sure didn’t have spies with advanced radios.  What’s more… the effect of the attack on Pearl Harbor would be the same whether our sailors were prepared or not.  If we were locked and loaded and we fully repelled them… they still attacked us and declared war on us.  No way we would have said, “Ok Japan, we surrender” just because we’d repelled their invasion. 
 

Could your conspiracy theory be true? Of course it could be, but it’s just a factionalized story of make believe.  

[myata]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

The “America First” Republicans were 100% wrong in 1940 and

Doesn't this one, today go a tad (quite a tad) further? Did they praise Hitler as "genius" and "savvy" back then? Did they run with and broadcast his "plans" as the solution for the problems of humanity?

As said, playing with this thingy always costs, don't dream even for a second that this is "just another political theatrics". And always, it will try to push it, itself a bit further. To where, though? What would be the final destination?

[Rebound]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

Doesn't this one, today go a tad (quite a tad) further? Did they praise Hitler as "genius" and "savvy" back then? Did they run with and broadcast his "plans" as the solution for the problems of humanity?

As said, playing with this thingy always costs, don't dream even for a second that this is "just another political theatrics". And always, it will try to push it, itself a bit further. To where, though? What would be the final destination?

Trump is pathetically simple to understand: Putin supports Trump and Zelensky does not. 
 

Donald Trump clearly has absolutely no morals of any kind. If Putin helps Trump, then Trump likes Putin. Thats the math.  

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

What you’ve just stated is merely conspiracy theory.  And the simplest counter to it is this: There is zero evidence that the U.S. knew of this attack and no evidence that they could have known.  We didn’t have satellites and we sure didn’t have spies with advanced radios.  What’s more… the effect of the attack on Pearl Harbor would be the same whether our sailors were prepared or not.  If we were locked and loaded and we fully repelled them… they still attacked us and declared war on us.  No way we would have said, “Ok Japan, we surrender” just because we’d repelled their invasion. 
 

Could your conspiracy theory be true? Of course it could be, but it’s just a factionalized story of make believe.  

Why were ALL of the aircraft carriers out of port at the same time? I believe that is a very unusual fleet configuration as at least a couple of them would usually be undergoing maintenance.

All that was necessary to be onto Jap plans was breaking their codes. Of course, pretending to not know was critical to preserving the secret that the codes had been broken.

[myata]

51 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Donald Trump clearly has absolutely no morals of any kind. If Putin helps Trump, then Trump likes Putin. Thats the math.  

Wait, but could there really be more to it? Does it explain crawling and smooching? What if, it, the cult just moved past the point where it actually sees and feels itself closer to the dictator thugs than to a modern democracy? Note "tough, toughness" in every other sentence. Note how the bunch despises and looks down at the law, it's there to serve their agendas and purposes, not some fancy writing and ideals.

I think that would explain a lot. Power, might, rule they understand, and more, admire. Law, democracy, responsibility who wants to bother? Isn't this most or even all it came down to, factually?

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, myata said:

Now, we can imagine it. In the election of 1940, one of the candidates openly runs on the platform of finding a common ground with Hitler and the Axis. Just give him what he wants; Poland, all of Europe, sure. Maybe a half of the Britain too, with a line somewhere by London. We will see what happens next. But now, I bring you the peace.

What happens next, can we begin guessing? Divided Britain falls. Without massive American aid, Russia is driven into the frozen Siberia. Japan dominates China and Far East. Massive, unlimited supplies of resources and cannon fodder.

Victories in Northern Africa, Sicily: didn't happen. No victories. Perhaps, the States held their own in the Pacific: perhaps.

U.S. has no allies. Chose to forget, throw out the memorandums and obligations, like never happened.

Next? There's a dominant force in the world now. And slowly, one by one, world begins to fall to it. Conventions? Rules? Which ones, why? We make all conventions and rules now. Here, let's vote. The darkness falls.

Probably takes a while to digest the grabs. But then... where would the eyes turn, then? What is still standing, what was the word, "free"? Why should it be standing there, giving impossible hopes, disturbing the "peace"?

Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Alaska... Canada... where was the last stand? How did it go?

Why prophesies? Who wants to be scared? It didn't happen back then, for a reason.

We can know. We can remember. But the time holds no promises to anyone. False, lying promises and excuses had zero value to it.

Good that we knew.

America is last. 

-- The left

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

You are exactly right.

The “America First” Republicans were 100% wrong in 1940 and they’re 100% wrong today. Republicans pretend to be the military defense experts, but they were absolutely wrong about WW II, and they did all they could to prevent FDR from preparing for a war he knew was inevitable. To this day, they make up conspiracy theories that the attack on Pearl Harbor was somehow rigged… which is beyond foolish, as if the President of the US conspired with a foreign nation to stage an attack on his own Navy so that the two nations could fight in a brutal war.  Clearly, the foolish have a political party made just for themselves. 

America must be the world's doormat. 

-- Rebound

[myata]

The cult has moved past the point where dictator thugs are closer to it, its view of the world, concepts and values; it can understand and agree with them more and better than with the principles of democracy. It was all hot talk at first, more and more of it and now its done, the line crossed.

He's not even hiding it, can't hold it back. This is what it's about, isn't it?

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Trump is pathetically simple to understand: Putin supports Trump and Zelensky does not. 
 

Donald Trump clearly has absolutely no morals of any kind. If Putin helps Trump, then Trump likes Putin. Thats the math.  

Harris wants the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments wiped off the Constitution. Later, Harris will want to burn the Constitution. Harris wants American tax payers to support illegal aliens. Harris wants to force abortions on all 50 states. Harris is a whore. Harris is a racist. Harris wants YOUR guns, but will use guns to blow an intruder's head off. Harris is a liar. Harris is useless. Harris speaks in word salad. Harris is a hypocrite....

Trump is nowhere near you cultists in terms of total shitbaggery. 

Edited September 26, 2024 by Deluge

[myata]

A ton of hot blabber only confirms the theory. Get to the power at all cost, by anything: no principles, no decency left and then? What happens then, in this kind of setting, and with that sort of folk?

Naivety, complacency carries no weight with the time. We saw it. We knew. No way we couldn't have known, what it is, and for what it is. No escapes. No excuses, this time.

Edited September 26, 2024 by myata

[robosmith]

24 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Harris wants the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments wiped off the Constitution. Later, Harris will want to burn the Constitution. Harris wants American tax payers to support illegal aliens. Harris wants to force abortions on all 50 states. Harris is a whore. Harris is a racist. Harris wants YOUR guns, but will use guns to blow an intruder's head off. Harris is a liar. Harris is useless. Harris speaks in word salad. Harris is a hypocrite....

Trump is nowhere near you cultists in terms of total shitbaggery. 

Only the MAGA CULT is stupid enough to believe ^this BULLSHIT.

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Only the MAGA CULT is stupid enough to believes ^this BULLSHIT.

And they should, because it's true. 

Now go get your marching orders. I want to hear what nonsensical bullshit your cult leaders have fed you today.  

[Deluge]

37 minutes ago, myata said:

A ton of hot blabber only confirms the theory. Get to the power at all cost, by anything: no principles, no decency left and then? What happens then, in this kind of setting, and with that sort of folk?

Naivety, complacency carries no weight with the time. We saw it. We knew. No way we couldn't have known, what it is, and for what it is. No escapes. No excuses, this time.

Democrats want all the power; in this case you are 100% correct, myata. 

Whether it is rigging elections, or weaponizing the courts against political opponents, or just flat out trying to assassinate political opponents, democrats will stop at nothing to seize power. 

 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

And they should, because it's true. 

Now go get your marching orders. I want to hear what nonsensical bullshit your cult leaders have fed you today.  

You're confused. Only political CULT today is MAGA worshiping der leader Trump.

And Harris taking over for Joe proves that. LMAO

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Democrats want all the power; in this case you are 100% correct, myata. 

Whether it is rigging elections, or weaponizing the courts against political opponents, or just flat out trying to assassinate political opponents, democrats will stop at nothing to seize power. 

Thanks for once again demonstrating how you believe people here are stupid enough to believe ^DELIGNAL BULLSHIT.

Edited September 26, 2024 by robosmith

[WestCanMan]

OMG, this is what a liberal echo chamber looks like 🤣

It's like when Google put two AI bots in a room and got them to create their own language and it just kept growing exponentially until they were communicating so fast that Google had to shut it down.

This is like a negative AI thread though... It started off with myata's unintelligible jibber-jabber and got dumber and dumber so fast that it needs to be shut down for the good of humanity. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG, this is what a liberal echo chamber looks like 🤣

It's like when Google put two AI bots in a room and got them to create their own language and it just kept growing exponentially until they were communicating so fast that Google had to shut it down.

This is like a negative AI thread though... It started off with myata's unintelligible jibber-jabber and got dumber and dumber so fast that it needs to be shut down for the good of humanity. 

Thanks for admitting your inability to understand English. Is French your first language? EastCanMan?

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

You're confused. Only political CULT today is MAGA worshiping der leader Trump.

And Harris taking over for Joe proves that. LMAO

Thanks for once again demonstrating how you believe people here are stupid enough to believe ^DELIGNAL BULLSHIT.

robocrat LOVES word salads - he's like a communist rabbit. lol

 

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Why were ALL of the aircraft carriers out of port at the same time? I believe that is a very unusual fleet configuration as at least a couple of them would usually be undergoing maintenance.

All that was necessary to be onto Jap plans was breaking their codes. Of course, pretending to not know was critical to preserving the secret that the codes had been broken.

And the moon landings could have been faked.

And 9/11 could have been an inside job.

And Bigfoot could be real.

And... and...

[Five of swords]

9 hours ago, myata said:

Now, we can imagine it. In the election of 1940, one of the candidates openly runs on the platform of finding a common ground with Hitler and the Axis. Just give him what he wants; Poland, all of Europe, sure. Maybe a half of the Britain too, with a line somewhere by London. We will see what happens next. But now, I bring you the peace.

What happens next, can we begin guessing? Divided Britain falls. Without massive American aid, Russia is driven into the frozen Siberia. Japan dominates China and Far East. Massive, unlimited supplies of resources and cannon fodder.

Victories in Northern Africa, Sicily: didn't happen. No victories. Perhaps, the States held their own in the Pacific: perhaps.

U.S. has no allies. Chose to forget, throw out the memorandums and obligations, like never happened.

Next? There's a dominant force in the world now. And slowly, one by one, world begins to fall to it. Conventions? Rules? Which ones, why? We make all conventions and rules now. Here, let's vote. The darkness falls.

Probably takes a while to digest the grabs. But then... where would the eyes turn, then? What is still standing, what was the word, "free"? Why should it be standing there, giving impossible hopes, disturbing the "peace"?

Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Alaska... Canada... where was the last stand? How did it go?

Why prophesies? Who wants to be scared? It didn't happen back then, for a reason.

We can know. We can remember. But the time holds no promises to anyone. False, lying promises and excuses had zero value to it.

Good that we knew.

But Hitler had no interest in taking poland or england.

Edited September 27, 2024 by Five of swords

[Legato]

I see the circles are jerking well today.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

And the moon landings could have been faked.

And 9/11 could have been an inside job.

And Bigfoot could be real.

And... and...

None of ^these have anything to do with strategic subterfuge that are a routine part of war.

What makes you believe that the US and allies couldn't break Japan's codes?

[CouchPotato]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

 

 

The combination of "holistically" and "housing" makes me picture this: