Canadians must renew their political system, or it will lead the counry from crisis to crisis into the third world

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Mr Whatabout strikes again.

No, that would be if i pointed out a liberal faux pas. 

The issue here is NOBODY thought it was a good idea.  But nice try at deflection  

[herbie]

4 hours ago, PIK said:

And how have those policies worked out? 

WTH do you mean? You one of the pessimistic deniers that claim if something didn't work out 100% to your personal satisfaction, right f*cking now, it was a big fail?

I can afford Blue Cross, so no benefit to me but I have grandkids and nephews and nieces in child care. The kids don't shell out the % of their income that we had to.
Do you have the audacity to claim we were better off without those programs?

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, herbie said:

WTH do you mean? You one of the pessimistic deniers that claim if something didn't work out 100% to your personal satisfaction, right f*cking now, it was a big fail?

I can afford Blue Cross, so no benefit to me but I have grandkids and nephews and nieces in child care. The kids don't shell out the % of their income that we had to.
Do you have the audacity to claim we were better off without those programs?

I think people would have been relatively happy if it had worked out at 5% to anyone's personal satisfaction.

Dental care covered people who were mostly covered already. It says right in the literature that if your provincial plan covers you no problem the federal plan will cover you and will work with your provincial plan so they don't have to pay anymore.  

Just about everything else in Canada is broken. People are going hungry because of Trudeau screw UPS. People can't find a place to live because of Trudeau's screw-ups. Our debt has doubled and that will plague our children for at least a generation. Our quality of life is going down. Business investment is fleeing the country for the first time in history. We're about to enter an economic downturn and we're not even remotely prepared for it economically.

Leftists like you have broken the country. People aren't going to forget that

[Five of swords]

On 9/25/2024 at 8:50 AM, myata said:

The political system created in the 18th century and for it, runs on a borrowed time: for a while, already. There are no chances, or reasonable prospects for a renewal within it for one simple reason: it does not need it. Whatever happens in the country, it's perfectly fine as it is, no thanks.

Talking: for decades, factually, does nothing to bring even minuscule change any closer. In this setting, the democracy will degrade, and decay. And there are no other logical and reasonable paths.

So what is proposed is a new political party: the Political Reform party. It's main agenda and plan is the meaningful political change, as much of it as needed, no excuses or superficial causes. Plus competent, pragmatic management fully transparent and accountable to the citizens. It declares its goals outright and maintains them through several election cycles, till citizens could see that it's for real and grant it an opportunity to go ahead with the change. This option is real and very likely, the only one.

The default duopoly has zero interest in any meaningful change. And there's no one else, discounting political costume shows.

If we begin now, time can be used with good purpose.

Is sonething wrong with the third world?

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Is sonething wrong with the third world?

Didn't they get to number 5 on the R&B charts with "now that we've found love"? 

[myata]

On 9/27/2024 at 6:06 PM, herbie said:

He wasn't the guy behind pharmacare, dental or child care, was he?

Look shouldn't we be honest about it rather than throwing slogans around. Last time I looked there's no universal pharmacare in the country or dental: you've got to be a) poor or b) very young or very aged. Can a country work for the benefit of one social group and be happy about it?

I really can't care about this ideological cr*p any longer. PP will dance and nurse his ideological agenda to millionaires and Trudeau with his lap buddy, their poor darlings. None of this has anything to do with me. Can't hear of $200K monthly politicians caring about poor, poor folk but look they make more in the NHL. This is what they do the third world. And in the first one, it's shared prosperity and the programs supported by the citizens work for everybody not just ideological mascots.

And above all I don't want to choose between the preset options. Can we have the real, unrestricted choice, please? Why couldn't we, the last of the last in the free world?

Edited September 28, 2024 by myata

[herbie]

45 minutes ago, myata said:

Last time I looked there's no universal pharmacare in the country or dental: you've got to be a) poor or b) very young or very aged

Goddam will you guys stop with the 'doesn't exist' and 'didn't work 100% so it's no good' arguments.

This is shit should've been addressed in the 1960s and decades of Libs & Tories dragged their feet until Singh's kick in the ass got them started.

Look at history.... and policies. Since when have Tories ever been more than staunch defenders of the King and the status quo? Yet fools are falling over their feet to believe they're suddenly defenders of the working person.

[myata]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

Look at history.... and policies. Since when have Tories ever been more than staunch defenders of the King and the status quo? Yet fools are falling over their feet to believe they're suddenly defenders of the working person.

No no. They each have their fetishes to wave around and in the meantime enjoy all the juicy entitlements of the system that just cannot be changed. For the sake of the wisey rich or holy poor to f*ck with it. It's nothing to do with a grown up responsible democracy. Tired and sick of the politicians bullsh*t show. Wake me up when it's available around and not in the color picture book.

[Mathieub]

Maybe it's old. But it's a very sophisticated system put in place by The Great Europe after century of development in the administration domain. And btw, who did it?

[myata]

23 hours ago, Mathieub said:

But it's a very sophisticated system put in place by The Great Europe after century of development in the administration domain. And btw, who did it?

How is it just minimally "sophisticated" in the framework of modern society, would you care to clarify? There's de facto zero accountability for the governments, almost nobody cares about the opposition outside of the the election period and there's zero chance to choose political priority, agenda or policy that one likes and prefers not to mention, any meaningful change and pretty much ever? (Trudeau's phantom election reform was most recent one)

Where do we find that sophistication then? In the theatrics of the circus period? Or in tongue-twisting of the talking heads at election time (but that's their bread and butter so can be related to the thingy known as "conflict of interest" beep beep!)

[Dougie93]

23 hours ago, Mathieub said:

 And btw, who did it?

the Scots Irish of the Protestant Enlightenment

Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy being the founding of the modern liberal state

on the banks of the Boyne River, in 1690

[myata]

There's no avoiding this outcome: when political entities are competing not with the best players in the political field for the most sound and relevant to the society policies but only with the default political twin they are bound to create, almost intentionally, phantom causes, like pandemic togetherness in place of sound and effective policies, woke/trans/children you name it, on one side and slash and cut everything with (worthless) $50 in the hand, on the other. It's not even about policies at that stage, the change for the country, but the pretense and show, making a different appearance when the substance never changes.

There will be no end to it and no exit, within the system. It was created in the 17th century and was marginally better than the absolute rule back then but it's no match for the complexity and needs of a modern society. And it will lead democracy into stagnation and eventually, decay. A renewal is needed, and with certain urgency.

[herbie]

So suggest an improvement.

A better diaper rather that simply changing it every 4 years. That's all this Lib/Tory, Dem/Rep thing is, swinging this way and back doing no good economically or for popularity.

[myata]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

That's all this Lib/Tory, Dem/Rep thing is, swinging this way and back doing no good economically or for popularity.

Please read the topic. The way forward is Canadians creating a new Political Reform Party, then electing in with the mandate for a meaningful political reform. Another option is referendum, and if positive, let both members of the default duo keep ignoring it. Status quo is not an option, not for long term. It's the path to erosion and then, decay of democracy.

[herbie]

We had a "Reform" party that quickly devolved abandoning all it's core objectives and merely to drive the PCs further to the right.

We've had more than enough of this left or right bullshit distracting anyone from doing what's best for the country or it's people.
You want Arctic development? Well you gotta have govt build railways, roads, power and communications and ports. It's not 'cost effective' so we'll do without it waiting for private companies to do it and pay through the nose to use them if by off chance they ever do.

We've already got Tory MPs ready to hand over northern communications to Elon Musk 'because it's cheaper'....

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

We had a "Reform" party that quickly devolved abandoning all it's core objectives and merely to drive the PCs further to the right.

We've had more than enough of this left or right bullshit distracting anyone from doing what's best for the country or it's people.
You want Arctic development? Well you gotta have govt build railways, roads, power and communications and ports. It's not 'cost effective' so we'll do without it waiting for private companies to do it and pay through the nose to use them if by off chance they ever do.

We've already got Tory MPs ready to hand over northern communications to Elon Musk 'because it's cheaper'....

I see your understanding of our politics hasn't improved any. The purpose of the reform party was primarily to give voice to the west in Ottawa. It all started with Preston Manning's the West wants in battle cry.

That happened. Harper was from the west, Poilievre will be from the west. The west has gained a great deal of influence.

The west also wanted to see more conservative conservatives. The old PC was kind of a liberal light arrangement that didn't work for us.

Those were the primary core values.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I see your understanding of our politics hasn't improved any.

Must be a leftie 🤡

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Must be a leftie 🤡

Sure Kid 😊

🍿🍿🍿 [munch munch] 🍿🍿🍿

[myata]

OK for an illustration this is what's wrong with binary politics:

Who won the debate (BBC)

I can't care to comment on the debate that I didn't watch but in a sane world the question itself is perplexing and major media are playing right into it. Why everything, anything has to be a contest? Why there cannot be no other approaches and questions in our politics but some punching circus show?

Look, in a sane world I'm following public debates and events of 1,2,.. 11,12,13 parties. I get to understand their goals and policies. I narrow down on the one or few that seem to be closer to my priorities. Where is the f-ing "contest" in this rational and sane picture? Why should there be a "winner" and what does it even mean?

We're coming terribly close to losing the sane meaning, the rational point of the whole thing:

- the participants have to be competent and willing to work

- we get to know them and what they represent

- we choose those and not necessarily between two, who represent our priorities.

Then those who proved their worth in a fair and equal competition with others, earn the right to implement their ideas that represent our priorities. Why, who can tell that this picture is somehow wrong and the dump contest show is the only way it has to be. Nope. No way. Just insane, really. And no sane ways out of it.

[myata]

21 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Must be a leftie

That was amazingly thoughtful, by the way. With a good microscope one could watch it (the Maga brain virus) working on the brain. In real time, too.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

That was amazingly thoughtful, by the way. With a good microscope one could watch it (the Maga brain virus) working on the brain. In real time, too.

Am just having fun until @Greg deletes my profile. Won't be much longer, I promise. Nothing personal.

[Old Guy]

On 9/25/2024 at 1:00 PM, CdnFox said:

There is no meaningful political change. What you want to say is that you're a hard left-wing woke voter and you're angry that there aren't enough other hard left woke !diots to elect the kind of government you want so you'd like to change the system to try and stack it in your favor

It so interesting that you can come to that conclusion from what the op stated. All I can conclude from your post is that any threat to split the right is seen by conservatives as a threat and must be attacked, preferably with name calling.

[myata]

37 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

as a threat and must be attacked, preferably with name calling.

They said and showed clearly so many times over that they have exactly zero interest in any meaningful political change. Swapping the smiley pics once in so many years serves them just fine, thank you!

Edited October 2, 2024 by myata

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Am just having fun until @Greg deletes my profile. Won't be much longer, I promise. Nothing personal.

Wow, so deleting your posts wasn't enough, you are so ashamed you're having your whole account deleted!  

Yeah, i can see why. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

It so interesting that you can come to that conclusion from what the op stated.

Well first off it's kind of weird that you would find that interesting.

Second is questionable why you would assume given the fact that I've been here for some time and he's been here for some time that the opinion is based entirely an exclusively only on that one post. If you've met somebody and spoken to them in the past and talk to them about their ideology and they share a thought with you now, would you not take into account previous conversations?

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All I can conclude from your post is that any threat to split the right is seen by conservatives as a threat and must be attacked, preferably with name calling.

And to prove that you treat me like a threat and respond with name calling   

Well done.