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[WestCanMan]

On 9/14/2024 at 10:49 AM, Old Guy said:

How about getting rid of the settlements that continue to pop up on the west-bank. How about ending the ending the Israeli militias that attack Palestinians with the aim of driving them from their homes. How about ending the occupation. 

You can't tell one side "DO THE RIGHT THINGS ALL THE TIME!" while you're making excuses for the other side to plan genocides, openly preach genocide, launch missiles as fast as they can make them, continually mass troops and rockets along the border, and propagandize the rest of the world to teach them hate.

If you think the propaganda is no big deal, just remember that it worked on you. You are openly supportive of a group that openly preaches hatred and genocide.   

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You must not be paying attention to the news or you would have noticed IDF do this on an almost daily basis in the west bank. 

You must not be paying attention to the news or you would have noticed that if Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran got the chance to wipe out Israel and kill every last Jew on the planet they wouldn't waste one second weighing the morality of it, nor would they shed a tear when it was all over. There would be no international criminal court, no Nuremburg trials, just a billion-bigot celebration of joy and you'd be one of the partiers. 

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Let me ask you this. You wake up one day, you're sitting there having a coffee when some soldiers show up and usher you and your family outside. You start to ask what's happening and one of the soldiers smacks you aside the head and tells you they are going to bulldoze your house because the neighbor wants to expand his garden. He shows you a court order granting the neighbour title to your land. Would you resist? 

 

Let me ask you this: why do you care so much about what happens to people who openly plot genocide?

Why don't you have any expectation at all for Palestinians to offer peace to Israel? 

If Palestinians were trying to leave in peace then I would be fully on your side, but the offer of actual peace has never been on the table. 

The official stance of almost every muslim on the planet has always been:

1. "The Pakistan partition, along with the millions of murders and the tens of millions driven from their homes, is 100% awesome
2. We fully support Pakistan's right to exist as a nation
3. we don't think that the 8 million Sikhs and Hindus who were dispossessed of their homes have any right of return 
4. Dig a hole for the dead, and everyone who lost their homes can go to hell.
5. BUT!!!!!
6. The Palestinian partition was evil 
7. the 500 murders are an atrocity that can only be avenged by a genocide in the millions
8. the state of Israel can never be acknowledged - only Pakistan is worthy of statehood. Eventually the Israelis all have to be killed

Mr problem solver, mr pontificator, mr humanitarian, oh great arbiter of peace and justice, can you tell me which one of those 8 bullet points is inaccurate? Can you tell me why I should just go along with the opinion that: "One partition was AWESOME and the much smaller one was evil"?

Make your case, you self-righteous snot. 

Don't come here pretending to be some sort of sagacious humanitarian when you can't even answer the most basic questions of all. The fact is that you're an ignorant, violent bigot, and not a caring human who's busy dispensing worldly knowledge on the uninformed masses. 

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Of course you will argue that this doesn't happen.  But this is exactly how so many Jewish settlements are being built in the Palestinian West Bank.

Of course you will only focus on what you want to focus on and completely ignore the fact that YOUR SIDE HAS BEEN ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL EVERY SINGLE ISRAELI SINCE BEFORE PARTITION!

FYI the grand mufti of Palestine went to live in Germany during WWII, and he was plotting to commit genocide against the Jews long before Palestinian partition even happened. Hitler was already dead years before partition and the subsequent 1948 war. 

Iraq, Yemen, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Palestine (8 countries) all attacked Israel on day 1 of their existence. FYI that took prior planning. 

Now look at that 8-country attack through the lens of its proper historical context: it was only 8 months earlier that the Pakistanis slaughtered 800,000 Sikhs and Hindus and drove 8M more out of Pakistan, but the entire world had already moved on. It was all good. The countries who attacked Israel knew that they could get away with that exact same level of genocide back then, and that had been the plan for more than half a decade at that point. 

 

Another thing for you to consider, mr hypocrite, is that the Deir Yassin slaughter that you referenced wasn't even close to being 'the atrocity of the century' in that region. 

1. 1805, June 29 200-500 Algerian Jews are massacred.^[1]
2. 1815 Eight Jews are burned at the stake in Algiers.^[1]
3. 1818 Turks from Algiers attack Constantine, massacre and pillage Jewish homes, and abduct 17 young Jewish girls whom they bring to their commander.^[2]
4. 1830 The Persian Jewish population of Tabriz, Iran is attacked by a mob, resulting in most of the Jewish community either being killed or fleeing.^[3]
5. 1830 The Jews of Shiraz are forced to convert to Islam.
6. 1834 The 1834 looting of Safed was a month-long attack on the Jewish population of Safed by local Arab and Druze villagers. It was full of large scale looting, as well as the killing and raping of Jews and the destruction of many homes and synagogues. Before the attacks Jews made up over 50% of the population, but many of them fled to nearby cities which reduced their presence drastically.
7. 834 Jewish heroine and martyr Sol Hachuel is publicly decapitated at 17 years old in Fez, Morocco. She is executed for refusing to convert to Islam.
8. 1839 Forty-plus Persian Jews are killed and the entire Jewish community of Mashhad is forced to convert to Islam in the Allahdad.^[6] Many of them practised Judaism in secret, which led to the Mashhadi Jews, whom today number in the thousands.
9. 1840 The Damascus affair: false blood libel accusations cause arrests and atrocities, culminating in the seizure of 63 Jewish children and attacks on Jewish communities throughout the Middle East.
10. 1860 The Jews of Hamadan are accused of mocking the Ta'zieh ceremonies for Imam Husain, several of them are fined and some have their ears and noses cut off as punishment.^[11]
11. 1864 At least 500 Moroccan Jews are massacred in Marrakech and Fez.
12. 1866 The Jews of Barforush are forcibly converted to Islam. When they are allowed to revert to Judaism thanks to French and British ambassadors, a Muslim mob kills 18 Jews, burning two of them alive.^[13][14]
13. 1869 18 Tunisian Jews are killed in a pogrom and an Arab mob loots Jewish homes and stores, burns synagogues, on Jerba Island.
14. 1875 Twenty Jews are killed by a Muslim mob in Demnat, Morocco.
15. 1881 Pogrom against the Jews in Tlemcen, Algeria.^[20]
16. 1882 Jewish population of Algiers is attacked by a Muslim mob.^[23]
17. 1886 Jews are attacked by Arabs in Petah Tikva^{[24][25][26][27]}
18. 1892 Mulla Abdullah issues a fatwa to kill all the Jews of Hamadan if they refuse to abide by Jewish restrictions. The local Persian Jews were later ordered to become Muslims or face death.^[30]
19. 1892 Two Persian Jews go out to sell merchandise and end up killed with all of their property stolen. Their relatives went out to search for the bodies and when they found them, they were killed by the same villagers. Even after many attempts to plea for their, the governor of Savojbolagh County paid them no mind.^[12]
20. 1897 Synagogues and Jewish homes are pillaged in Oran.^[31]
21. 1897 Synagogues are ransacked and Jews are murdered in Tripolitania.^[32]
22. 1898 Violent anti-Jewish riots erupt in Algiers.^[31]
23. 1907 Over 60 Jews in the Mellah of Casablanca are killed in a pogrom by Kabyle Muslims. Many more were wounded, and a large number of women and children were carried off.^[5]
24. 1910 The 1910 Shiraz blood libel was a pogrom of the Jewish quarter in Shiraz, Iran. It was sparked by accusations that the Jews had ritually murdered a Muslim girl. By the end of the pogrom, 12 Jews were killed, 50 or so were wounded, and 6,000 were robbed of all their possessions.
25. 1912 The Tritl or the 1912 Fez massacre left 42 Moroccan Jews dead.
26. 1917 The 1917 Jaffa deportation was a forceful expulsion and confiscation of property of 10,000 Jews from Jaffa and Tel Aviv by Ottoman authorities.
27. 1929 18–20 Jewish residents of Safed were brutally killed in the 1929 Palestine riots.
28. 1934 2,000 Afghani Jews are expelled from their towns and forced to live in the wilderness.
29. 1934 34 Algerian Jews were killed and hundreds were injured by Muslim mobs during the 1934 Constantine pogrom. 200 Jewish stores were raided, the total property damage was estimated at over 150 million Poincare francs. It also sent a quarter of Constantine's Jewish population into poverty.^[27]
30. 1936 The Bloody Day in Jaffa refers to various violent attacks on Jews in Jaffa by mobs of Muslims.
31. 1938 Arab rioters rush into the Jewish Kiryat Shmuel neighborhood, killing 19 Jews, 11 of whom were children in the 1938 Tiberias massacre.
32. 1941 The Farhud pogrom in Baghdad results in 780 Jews dead, over 1,000 wounded.^[47]
33. 1945 The 1945 Tripoli pogrom was a violent massacre of the Jewish population of Tripoli by Muslim rioters. After days of violence 140+ Jews were dead and hundreds were injured. In the aftermath 4,000 Jews were left homeless and thousands were reduced to poverty. 9 Synagogues were destroyed, along with thousands of Jewish homes and businesses.
34. 1945 The 1945 Anti-Jewish riots in Egypt started as an anti-Zionist demonstration, but it ended with the killing of 5 Egyptian Zionists by a Muslim mob and over 300 other Jews were injured

After all of the above massacres and persecutions in Arab states (along with scores of even worse massacres in Europe), the UN voted in favour of Palestinian partition.

The massacres in above, in red, were all at least 5x as large as the massacre at Deir Yassin. They also resulted in far more murders than the entire Palestinian partition. That's just a bit of proper historical context for you, old-but-unwise-guy. 

Below is post-partition vote/pre-partition day violence against Jews in the ME:

1. 1945 The 1945 Anti-Jewish riots in Egypt started as an anti-Zionist demonstration, but it ended with the killing of 5 Egyptian Zionists by a Muslim mob and over 300 other Jews were injured.
2. 1947 Anti-Jewish riots erupt in Aleppo, resulting in some 75 Jews murdered and several hundred wounded.
3. 1947 A mob of Muslim sailors looted Jewish homes and shops in the Manama riots. In the end one Jewish woman was dead and a Synagogue was destroyed.
4. 1947 A three-day riot broke out between the Jews of Aden and the local Muslim population. When it was over, 82 Jews were killed and 76 Jews were injured.
5. 1947 The Aden riots of December 2–4, 1947 targeted the Jewish community in the British Colony of Aden. At least 76 Jews were killed. Shortly after the riots, Aden's Jewish community almost entirely left, together with most of the Yemeni Jewish community.
6. Violent anti-Semitism caused the Jewish exodus from Arab lands. The Jewish population in the Arab Middle East and North Africa has decreased from 900,000 in 1948 to less than 8,000 in 2001. (When Arabs try to tell you that "Israeli Jews are all Europeans", just remember that almost a million came from that exodus. Also, the Jews that did come from Europe were almost all Arabic Jews or their descendants) 
7. 1948 The Djereda was a pogrom against the tiny Jewish population of Jerada at the hands of the local Muslims. It ended with 43 Jews dead and around 150 Jews injured.

So, "old guy", the next time that you want to reminisce about

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You wake up one day, you're sitting there having a coffee when some soldiers show up and usher you and your family outside. You start to ask what's happening and one of the soldiers smacks you aside the head and tells you they are going to bulldoze your house because the neighbor wants to expand his garden.

just compare that to this:

• You wake up one day, you're sitting there having a coffee when mobs from the majority-muslim population in your city rise up and start destroying your synagogues, raping the women and girls, and killing men as fast as they can. You gather your family and flee for your lives, only to go to another muslim-controlled city because there is no Jewish country on the planet, ever since the Romans took over thousand of years earlier. At the end of that day 600 members of your community are dead and the rest of you are scattered among other hostile/semi-hostile muslim cities. 

Or compare it to Pakistan's second genocide. Yeah, they committed a second genocide in 1971.

• You wake up one day, you're sitting there having a coffee when militias controlled by the muslim government in your country set their sights on killing 3M of their own citizens to squash Bengalis who want to preserve their own culture. Your door is kicked in, and your mom and sisters are raped by Pakistani militia members while your dad is killed. (systemic genocidal rape was employed by the Pakistani gov't to force people to give up their own culture and adopt islamic culture). 

The Pakistanis have committed TWO genocides, both in the millions, while the big bad Israelis killed less than 500 people in the 1948 partition, but old dipshit is completely hung up on the 107 people of Deir Yassin. 

 

What do you have to say to all that, old man? Too many facts for you? Too much accurate historical context? 

You're just going to ignore it all and go back to your hating, right? Join gaetan here, he's your kind of guy. He might hook up with you to go have some fun at the expense of others.

Edited September 15, 2024 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

Yep I will need to be more literal with you in the future.  

 

You need to be more honest.  Start with that. 

 

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Here is another link and although it doesn't say 1200 Palestinians it does shows that the west bank is controlled and is being settled by Jews and the IDF has been raiding the west bank for years.  

In other words here's another link that doesn't in any way shape or form show that what you claimed was true.

So you lied. Fair enough

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Really?  You really need to give your head a shake and maybe read more. The myth that Israel wants a two state solution was rejected by Ben Gurion, the father of Israel, who said early on favored the transfer policy.

It has been posted a million times on this board the very recent efforts to propose and pursue a two-state solution that is real backed until the Palestinian Authority joined hands with Hamas

That is a simple truth. That was as late as 2014, not the beginning of Israel 80 years ago.

So at this point, so far you have lied to me and made false statements, and now you're making statements that are not accurate and ignoring recent history.

Can you think of a single reason why anybody would take you our opinion seriously given this?

 

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

You seem ridiculously conflicted - wtf is wrong with you?

Lets not forget he has some of the best critical thinking skills on this forum, according to others...

[suds]

On 9/14/2024 at 4:56 PM, Old Guy said:

The international court and most of the world would disagree with you. 

A sneak attack by the Palestinian air force using flying bicycles.  Don't you think its kind of weird how they were able to punch so far into land controlled by Israel and across an armed  border.  In what world does 1139 dead Israeli settlers justify the death of over 41,000 Palestinians including over 3,000 children?  If that is your belief then I don't see much room for discussion. But you might want to have a look at the principle of proportionality. 

I find it kind of weird why Hamas is still holding about 100 hostages. Its been almost a year now. Or maybe there's too much money to be made by a handful of people at the top that don't want the carnage to end. If they did hand over all the hostages then Israel would be forced to reciprocate in some way. So why don't they?  Hamas is recognized as being the de facto government of Gaza and are bound by international law by documents they've signed and ratified. As far as I know, international law doesn't exactly care for attacks on civilian populations, killing women, children, babies, and taking hostages. So how does your international law and principles of proportionality apply to Hamas?

[Old Guy]

1 hour ago, suds said:

So how does your international law and principles of proportionality apply to Hamas?

Look it up and you will find Hamas leaders have been indicted as well. Of course some of them have been killed by Israel. One in Lebanon and another in Iran. I'm not sure if the one in Iran was also indicted but he was the chief Palestinian negotiator for a cease fire.  Sure proof that Israel really wants peace, kill the opponents negotiator.  Can you imagine the outrage if the Israeli negotiator was killed. 

As an aside you know that  Netanyahu is being tried for corruption. These charges are years old and he has been fighting a delaying action.  One of the possible outcomes if found guilty is political exile. Of course, if he wanted to leave, rather than be shunned. he has many rich friends in the US but with an international warrant out for war crimes is anywhere safe. If things go badly for Trump the two of them might be looking for sanctuary. Maybe Trump could call on Rocket Man in North Korea. 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

Can you imagine the outrage if the Israeli negotiator was killed. 

You think it'd be worse than if 1200 women and children were killed?

It's a war. Their leaders are legitimate targets. Killing them makes the next guy on the totem pole think twice about holding hostages and trying to continue to stay in power and drag out negotiations.

They absolutely should kill as many as they can get their hands on, and you can bet Hamas has tried and will continue to try to kill every Israeli official that they can. They're just a little indisposed at the moment it can't pull it off

I'll tell you this much, letting them live sure as hell hasn't been working

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6 hours ago, Old Guy said:

 

Goldmann reported that Ben Gurion had told him in private in 1956:^[76]

Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?

 

Change the words Israel to Canada, and Arabs to Aboriginals, and it's pretty much the same thing in our country.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Change the words Israel to Canada, and Arabs to Aboriginals, and it's pretty much the same thing in our country.

Our experience at colonizing and pushing indigenous people off their lands is why Canada was tasked with playing such a key role in the creation of Israel (see UNSCOP). We basically gave them instructions on how to do it. South Africa was likewise inspired by our reserve system.

The unlikely Canadian who helped create the State of Israel

Ivan Rand helped draft the 1946 blueprint on Palestine's future. Despite an antisemitic streak, by most accounts he 'tipped the scales' for Israel

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-unlikely-canadian-who-helped-create-the-state-of-israel

This fu cker, Canada's greatest Justice according to some, didn't want Jewish refugees coming to Canada so he helped send them to Palestine instead.

Considering the scope of suffering our geopolitical vandalism in the ME caused I'm surprised no one has flown airliners into our skyscrapers too.

 

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6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Our experience at colonizing and pushing indigenous people off their lands is why Canada was tasked with playing such a key role in the creation of Israel (see UNSCOP). We basically gave them instructions on how to do it. South Africa was likewise inspired by our reserve system.

The unlikely Canadian who helped create the State of Israel

Ivan Rand helped draft the 1946 blueprint on Palestine's future. Despite an antisemitic streak, by most accounts he 'tipped the scales' for Israel

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-unlikely-canadian-who-helped-create-the-state-of-israel

This fu cker, Canada's greatest Justice according to some, didn't want Jewish refugees coming to Canada so he helped send them to Palestine instead.

Considering the scope of suffering our geopolitical vandalism in the ME caused I'm surprised no one has flown airliners into our skyscrapers too.

 

You are exaggerating, as per usual...

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You are exaggerating, as per usual...

No, it definitely wasn't me that said Rand was Canada's greatest Justice.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Our experience at colonizing and pushing indigenous people off their lands is why Canada was tasked with playing such a key role in the creation of Israel (see UNSCOP). We basically gave them instructions on how to do it. South Africa was likewise inspired by our reserve system.

The unlikely Canadian who helped create the State of Israel

Ivan Rand helped draft the 1946 blueprint on Palestine's future. Despite an antisemitic streak, by most accounts he 'tipped the scales' for Israel

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-unlikely-canadian-who-helped-create-the-state-of-israel

This fu cker, Canada's greatest Justice according to some, didn't want Jewish refugees coming to Canada so he helped send them to Palestine instead.

Considering the scope of suffering our geopolitical vandalism in the ME caused I'm surprised no one has flown airliners into our skyscrapers too.

 

Is that what this is about? Is that why you support the terrorists? Some sort of weird latent guilt about what candidate did before we were born?

Are you supporting Hamas out of some twisted version of the white man's burden?

If you are that broken kid you need to go see professional help

[suds]

18 hours ago, Old Guy said:

Look it up and you will find Hamas leaders have been indicted as well. Of course some of them have been killed by Israel. One in Lebanon and another in Iran. I'm not sure if the one in Iran was also indicted but he was the chief Palestinian negotiator for a cease fire.  Sure proof that Israel really wants peace, kill the opponents negotiator.  Can you imagine the outrage if the Israeli negotiator was killed. 

As an aside you know that  Netanyahu is being tried for corruption. These charges are years old and he has been fighting a delaying action.  One of the possible outcomes if found guilty is political exile. Of course, if he wanted to leave, rather than be shunned. he has many rich friends in the US but with an international warrant out for war crimes is anywhere safe. If things go badly for Trump the two of them might be looking for sanctuary. Maybe Trump could call on Rocket Man in North Korea. 

I don't see the significance of Netanyahu being tried for corruption in any of this. At least it proves that Israel has some semblance of rule of law, and something that Netanyahu will have to deal with. So, getting back to the conflict, I'd like your opinion on a few things. 1) What did Hamas hope to achieve in the Oct 7 attack?  Hostages are great for negotiating prisoner swaps, but 1200 dead civilians aren't much good for anything. 2) How would any reasonable person expect Israel to respond? 3) I hope we can both agree that Israel has the right to defend itself against such things as happened Oct 7. Could we extend that right to the removal of a hostile government so that Oct 7 doesn't repeat itself? Or is this when the principle of proportionality kicks in? 4) Israeli has 2 objectives, freeing the hostages and removing the Hamas government. In my opinion, the smart thing to do would be Hamas releasing all the hostages and forcing a concession from Israel. So why don't they? Or do they purposely want this carnage to go on and on?

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Old Guy said:

Look it up

Hey dummy, did you learn anything about Israel and Palestine in the last 24 hrs? 🤣

[Old Guy]

On 9/15/2024 at 3:27 PM, suds said:

I find it kind of weird why Hamas is still holding about 100 hostages. Its been almost a year now. Or maybe there's too much money to be made by a handful of people at the top that don't want the carnage to end. If they did hand over all the hostages then Israel would be forced to reciprocate in some way. So why don't they?  Hamas is recognized as being the de facto government of Gaza and are bound by international law by documents they've signed and ratified. As far as I know, international law doesn't exactly care for attacks on civilian populations, killing women, children, babies, and taking hostages. So how does your international law and principles of proportionality apply to Hamas?

These are all good points. I would point out that Hamas has been cited for war crimes as they should. My point is the comparison between 1200 dead Israelis versus 41,000 dead Palestinians. That is where proportionality comes in.

 

4 hours ago, suds said:

1) What did Hamas hope to achieve in the Oct 7 attack?  Hostages are great for negotiating prisoner swaps, but 1200 dead civilians aren't much good for anything. 2) How would any reasonable person expect Israel to respond? 3) I hope we can both agree that Israel has the right to defend itself against such things as happened Oct 7. Could we extend that right to the removal of a hostile government so that Oct 7 doesn't repeat itself? Or is this when the principle of proportionality kicks in? 4) Israeli has 2 objectives, freeing the hostages and removing the Hamas government. In my opinion, the smart thing to do would be Hamas releasing all the hostages and forcing a concession from Israel. So why don't they? Or do they purposely want this carnage to go on and on?

1. I have no special insight into Hamas. But if you read the history of Israel you will see that early on there was a strong movement to reach beyond the borders agreed to and to occupy all of the land. Ben Gurion Israel first Prime Minister lead this movement which was criticized by more moderate Jews. He  used this as his rationalization for forcing the Palestinians out of Palestine:

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?" 

Hamas might have seen itself as striking a blow against a people who have pushed them into smaller and smaller enclaves. Like I said I'm not sure why a small force would attack a stronger enemy.

Any resendable person would expect Israel to respond by attacking.  

Yes we can agree that any country including Israel has a right to defend itself. Do the Palestinian's in the Westbank and Gaza have the same right? Apparently not. 

I don't agree that freeing the hostages and over throwing the government of Gaza are the only two objectives. A third objective is to forcing Palestinians to leave Palestine.

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

These are all good points. I would point out that Hamas has been cited for war crimes as they should. My point is the comparison between 1200 dead Israelis versus 41,000 dead Palestinians. That is where proportionality comes in.

 

There is no such thing as 'proportionality'.

The brits killed far more germans in the war than germans killed brits. Should brittan have surrendered early?

This is a war.  The fighting will go on regardless of the number of deaths until one side loses.  If that means 100,000 Palestinians have to die for every Israeli killed then that's what it means. There's no such thing is "ok well you killed 1200 of our people so we're only allowed to kill this many of yours

The fighting continues until the threat is eliminated. 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, suds said:

What did Hamas hope to achieve in the Oct 7 attack?

......

In my opinion, the smart thing to do would be Hamas releasing all the hostages and forcing a concession from Israel. So why don't they? Or do they purposely want this carnage to go on and on?

Hamas is just a puppet. The people pulling it's strings want it to go on 

Accusing ordinary Gazans and Palestinians for supporting Hamas and it's brutality handily avoids having to deal with the puppet masters who are pulling Hamas' strings, Iran and its allies.

You see the same cowardness when it comes to standing up to Iran's ally Putin. And it only emboldens them.

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by eyeball