Another Day in the USA

[Black Dog]

24 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Uh...it's obvious. The problem isn't guns, the problem is guns plus black people. That is the proper interpretation of the stats.

How do you figure?

[Five of swords]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

How do you figure?

Because mass shooting stats show that they occur when Black people have guns. If you filtered out Black people from the stats, there would not be anything close to the mass shooting problem in the usa. If you filtered out blacks and mestizos, our gun crime Stat would be on par with Switzerland, which has about the same rate of gun ownership as the usa.

[Black Dog]

8 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Because mass shooting stats show that they occur when Black people have guns. If you filtered out Black people from the stats, there would not be anything close to the mass shooting problem in the usa. If you filtered out blacks and mestizos, our gun crime Stat would be on par with Switzerland, which has about the same rate of gun ownership as the usa.

Uh huh and why do you think that is

[User]

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Again, I said "there's little to no evidence that armed guards in schools prevent or stop mass shootings." Again: your data doesn't counter that at all.

It literally does. You have data showing it does. You have tried to shift the goal posts from claiming little to no evidence to, well, they don't stop most of them. 

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Your evidence doesn't show that armed guards in schools prevent or stop mass shootings, you retarded chimpf*cker. 

Yes, they do. You just don't hear about the SRO who stopped a shooting before it began, because nothing happened. Those are not big news stories. This website is full of examples:

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/08/11/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-prevents-potential-school-shooting-with-skillful-de-escalation/

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

So why do you keep whining and crying about gun-free zones?

Like I said, you don't give a shit how many kids have to die because you don't like guns and want to pretend these places are magical and kids are safe because of a sign on the door. 

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Yeah there's a cultural component there, just like blowing one's brains out is a cultural thing in the U.S.A.

Because suicide is so much better in Japan?

Guns don't cause suicide and other methods are just as lethal. 

 

[Black Dog]

43 minutes ago, User said:

It literally does. You have data showing it does. You have tried to shift the goal posts from claiming little to no evidence to, well, they don't stop most of them. 

It literally doesn't and I've explained why, but I'm feeling charitable so I'll explain it again: a dataset that includes ALL mass shootings and makes no distinction between law enforcement in general and those located in schools is not evidence that armed guards in schools prevent or stop mass shootings.

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Yes, they do. You just don't hear about the SRO who stopped a shooting before it began, because nothing happened. Those are not big news stories. This website is full of examples:

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/08/11/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-prevents-potential-school-shooting-with-skillful-de-escalation/

Anecdotes aren't data. I can entertain the idea that SROs can reduce some forms of violence in schools (though not at zero cost) but we're specifically talking about mass shootings here. Confiscating a gun doesn't necessarily prevent a shooting if the person with the gun had no intention if using it to shoot anyone, where as most mass school shootings are premeditated and planned.

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Like I said, you don't give a shit how many kids have to die because you don't like guns and want to pretend these places are magical and kids are safe because of a sign on the door. 

And like I said: you don't give a shit how many kids have to die because you love guns and think every wannabe Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold should have unfettered access to firearms. You'd rather have more firefights in school hallways than simply preventing these psychos from getting their hands on weapons to begin with.

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Because suicide is so much better in Japan?

Guns don't cause suicide and other methods are just as lethal. 

Guns don't cause suicide they just make it much easier to accomplish which is why it's the method of choice for the majority of suicides in the U.S.

If the method is irrelevant why are suicide rates higher in states where guns are prevalent? There's a lot of factors that go into choosing a method, like lethality, accessibility and ease of use. Jumping off a bridge might be just as lethal as shooting yourself, but if you have to walk five miles to the bridge to jump, you have time to reconsider, unlike if you just reach into your closet for a shotgun. You also can't back out of blowing your brains out once you've started or be rescued like you can a hanging or drug overdose.

 

Edited September 6, 2024 by Black Dog

[Five of swords]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Uh huh and why do you think that is

Well black people just have higher frequency of psychotic dna. 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

So far this year 131 people have died in mass shootings in the US and guns are the leading cause of death among children and teens

Drunk driving will kill well over 10,000 people this year and many of them kids, but strangely you're just fine with bars.

Your hypocrisy is astounding. You don't give a crap about deaths, you revel in the deaths if they give you a chance to virtue signal and ignore the ones that don't. 

Gentlemen - i give you the anti-gun lobby. 

[Black Dog]

On 9/6/2024 at 4:50 PM, CdnFox said:

Drunk driving will kill well over 10,000 people this year and many of them kids, but strangely you're just fine with bars.

Yet there's no massively organized lobby defending anyone's right to drive drunk and fighting any attempts to limit drinking and driving the way there is for guns.

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Your hypocrisy is astounding. You don't give a crap about deaths, you revel in the deaths if they give you a chance to virtue signal and ignore the ones that don't.

 

This is funny coming from you, a guy who literally ignores half of all gun deaths.

On 9/6/2024 at 4:47 PM, Five of swords said:

Well black people just have higher frequency of psychotic dna. 

That's not a thing, Nazi.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Yet there's no massively organized lobby defending anyone's right to drive drunk and fighting any attempts to limit drinking and driving the way there is for guns.

There's a massive lobby defending anyone's right to illegally kill people in mass shootings?    LOL really, what's that org called? I"m pretty sure there's nobody advocating for that  

And yes there IS an organizaiton dedicated to advocating for bars and restaurants that sell booze  some of which will result in drunk driving. 

Holy shit kiddo  that was a HARD fail    You need to think more before you type. 

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

This is funny coming from you, a guy who literally ignores half of all gun deaths.

I haven't ignored a single one.  You just keep moving the goalposts. 

Did you want to switch 'drunk driving' to 'all automotive accidents and deaths' too? Did you think the numbers would get better for you?  

[User]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Yet there's no massively organized lobby defending anyone's right to drive drunk and fighting any attempts to limit drinking and driving the way there is for guns.

You are conflating doing something illegal, driving drunk, with gun rights... no, the NRA doesn't defend anyone's rights to use firearms in such a negligent way or to prevent/make illegal the wrongful use of firearms. 

They are all for punishing the criminals out there. 

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

This is funny coming from you, a guy who literally ignores half of all gun deaths.

Like you only care about suicides when they use guns?

 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Yet there's no massively organized lobby defending anyone's right to drive drunk and fighting any attempts to limit drinking and driving the way there is for guns.

This is funny coming from you, a guy who literally ignores half of all gun deaths.

That's not a thing, Nazi.

Well argue with geneticists, I guess. There is a gene called MAOA which has been associated with aggression and psychotic behavior. And a particular variant of the gene which is most harmful is distributed highest among black people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933872/#:~:text=A rare genetic disorder caused,is known as Brunner syndrome.

[Black Dog]

24 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Well argue with geneticists, I guess. There is a gene called MAOA which has been associated with aggression and psychotic behavior. And a particular variant of the gene which is most harmful is distributed highest among black people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933872/#:~:text=A rare genetic disorder caused,is known as Brunner syndrome.

Brunner's syndrome is extremely rare so IDK how you figure it's at fault here.

[Five of swords]

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Brunner's syndrome is extremely rare so IDK how you figure it's at fault here.

Moving goalposts? Didn't you just say there are no genetics associated with psychotic behavior? Now you want to argue frequency instead? Maybe you should just accept you are wrong and I showed you are wrong, and try something else after that.

[Black Dog]

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's a massive lobby defending anyone's right to illegally kill people in mass shootings?    LOL really, what's that org called? I"m pretty sure there's nobody advocating for that  

The NRA.

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And yes there IS an organizaiton dedicated to advocating for bars and restaurants that sell booze some of which will result in drunk driving. 

You can sue a bar that overserves someone and lets them drive drunk, can't do the same to a gun dealer or manufacturer.

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Did you want to switch 'drunk driving' to 'all automotive accidents and deaths' too? Did you think the numbers would get better for you?  

More people die by firearms than in all motor vehicle collisions even though 90% of people own cars vs the 32% who own guns.

[Black Dog]

Just now, Five of swords said:

Moving goalposts? Didn't you just say there are no genetics associated with psychotic behavior? Now you want to argue frequency instead? Maybe you should just accept you are wrong and I showed you are wrong, and try something else after that.

If you're trying to prove genetics make Black people as a whole more violent, using a extremely rare genetic disorder doesn't do the trick. try something else from your retarded Nazi playbook.

[Five of swords]

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

If you're trying to prove genetics make Black people as a whole more violent, using a extremely rare genetic disorder doesn't do the trick. try something else from your retarded Nazi playbook.

Dna has a huge impact on the behavior of organisms. For example, sea turtles run to the sea after they hatch. Nobody taught them to do that, it is just in their dna.

 

What the difference between black people and white people? Dna. Just dna.

 

Are the majority of shooters black? Yes

 

Can dna possibly be the cause? Of course.

 

It is simply the most obvious explanation. You would need to figure out some convoluted explanation why dna is not the primary cause, if you think that. Because the difference between whites and blacks is dna, so occasionally razor would suggest dna is also the cause of observable differences in behavior. 

 

It is quite simple.

 

The fact you were reduced to suggesting dna cannot cause psychotic behavior...when that is totally absurd and unscientific...just shows you are not firing on all cylinders here. You are brainwashed and it is making you make absurd claims.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The NRA.

LOL  so you've decided to try to lie your way out of the corner you painted yourself into  

The nra has never ever ever defended anyone's "Right" to illegally kill people in mass shootings. Not once. Not ever 

Like i said -  bars kill more people than guns in the US but you've got no problem with that and nothing but lies to defend your position with  

Hard loss kiddo  

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You can sue a bar that overserves someone and lets them drive drunk, can't do the same to a gun dealer or manufacturer.

You absolutely clan with a gun dealer, just as you can with a bar.  Can't sue a booze manufacturer.  Can't sue coors because you got in a vehicle accident any more successfully than you can sue the gun maker 

It's identical. 

You CAN sue the gun store if they sold you a gun illegally or without checking the fbi database. 

Still a hard loss kiddo  you're just making it worse    

[Black Dog]

11 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

It is simply the most obvious explanation. You would need to figure out some convoluted explanation why dna is not the primary cause, if you think that. Because the difference between whites and blacks is dna, so occasionally razor would suggest dna is also the cause of observable differences in behavior. 

It is quite simple.

LOL no genetics is not the most obvious explanation you stupid Nazi. You really are 15 years old, huh?

 

[Five of swords]

3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

LOL no genetics is not the most obvious explanation you stupid Nazi. You really are 15 years old, huh?

 

Why not? Black people are defined as having different dna, and dna has massive impact on behavior, so why wouldn't different behavior be caused by different dna? How on earth is that NOT the most obvious conclusion? Lol...it's baffling...

[User]

On 9/6/2024 at 4:53 PM, Black Dog said:

It literally doesn't and I've explained why, but I'm feeling charitable so I'll explain it again: a dataset that includes ALL mass shootings and makes no distinction between law enforcement in general and those located in schools is not evidence that armed guards in schools prevent or stop mass shootings.

Do you not get that the numbers of all mass shootings include those that take place in schools too?

On 9/6/2024 at 4:53 PM, Black Dog said:

Anecdotes aren't data.

You asked for evidence, I gave it to you. That site compiles a ton of examples of SRO's stopping school shootings. 

On 9/6/2024 at 4:53 PM, Black Dog said:

And like I said: you don't give a shit how many kids have to die because you love guns and think every wannabe Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold should have unfettered access to firearms. You'd rather have more firefights in school hallways than simply preventing these psychos from getting their hands on weapons to begin with.

I have studied response to active shooters and trained in the response to active shooters. One of the classic examples we reviewed is the Columbine shooting. 

Neither Klebold or Harris had unfettered access to firearms. They were a straw purchase by the girlfriend and an illegal private sale.

Firefights in hallways... as opposed to whatever slaughter the bad guy wants? Seriously, yours is such an absurdly ignorant position. You are more afraid of a firefight... so just let the bad guy kill as many as he wants to? Do you want the police to sit outside and wait like Columbine too now, for fear of them going in to stop the bad guy and create a firefight?

People like you have no damn clue about guns or tactics. Just pure fear of guns built on ignorance. 

On 9/6/2024 at 4:53 PM, Black Dog said:

If the method is irrelevant why are suicide rates higher in states where guns are prevalent?

Again, there are more suicides in Japan... 

Yours is also a bit of a sexist care for suicide too... not that you even understand that term or care. 

Edited September 9, 2024 by User

[impartialobserver]

i love it when school shootings happen in xyz state and the response is blacks are killing blacks in abc state.. the two have nothing to do with each other directly. Someone gets in a car accident in Oregon.. that must be directly related to someone getting a speeding ticket in Virginia. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Do you not get that the numbers of all mass shootings include those that take place in schools too?

You asked for evidence, I gave it to you. That site compiles a ton of examples of SRO's stopping school shootings. 

I have studies response to active shooters and trained in the response to active shooters. One of the classic examples we reviewed is the Columbine shooting. 

Neither of Klebold or Harris had unfettered access to firearms. They were a straw purchase by the girlfriend and an illegal private sale.

Firefights in hallways... as opposed to whatever slaughter the bad guy wants? Seriously, yours is such an absurdly ignorant position. You are more afraid of a firefight... so just let the bad guy kill as many as he wants to? Do you want the police to sit outside and wait like Comumbine too now, for fear of them going in to stop the bad guy and create a firefight?

People like you have no damn clue about guns or tactics. Just pure fear of guns built on ignorance. 

Again, there are more suicides in Japan... 

Yours is also a bit of a sexist care for suicide too... not that you even understand that term or care. 

The evidence is pretty overwhelming. Which is why every single way @Black Dog Is trying to argue this tends to come to a dead end in a hurry.

The problem when you have violence in a society is never the tool. The Ugandan genocide took place with machetes, 9/11 took place with planes, oklahoma city which is one of the other great mass killings was with a bomb. And there are a number of mass murderers who operated for years killing hundreds of people with nothing more than a knife.

The one common denominator is always humans. Whether it's rocks or knives or fire or guns or pushing people down a flight of stairs, all murders involve a human.

You address murders by addressing the humans. There are ways to do this, some countries are much more successful than others. But that's how you do it.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

i love it when school shootings happen in xyz state and the response is blacks are killing blacks in abc state.. the two have nothing to do with each other directly. Someone gets in a car accident in Oregon.. that must be directly related to someone getting a speeding ticket in Virginia. 

But maybe they bought the car they got into the accident with in virginia, see, and the tires may have been out of state too and eveyrone knows oregon's tire laws are better and and and....

At the end of the day the one thing all murders have in common is there was a human who decided it was ok to kill other people. Once you get there the tool itself isn't terribly relevant.  You need to address the human and stop them before they can act. 

[Black Dog]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL  so you've decided to try to lie your way out of the corner you painted yourself into  

The nra has never ever ever defended anyone's "Right" to illegally kill people in mass shootings. Not once. Not ever 

The NRA, like you and otehr gunf*ckers, want guns to be widely available and easily accessible to anyone and everyone, which is tantamount to the same thing.

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Like i said -  bars kill more people than guns in the US but you've got no problem with that and nothing but lies to defend your position with  

Hard loss kiddo  

An 18 year old American can't legally buy booze, but can buy an AR15 or a shotgun in most U.S. states. Giving kids alcohol is pretty widely frowned upon, but gun nuts like NRA and the father of the Georgia school shooter encourage kids to use guns. If you're drunk, you can be charged with impaired driving even if you were not driving a vehicle, but you can carry a firearm while drunk. so yeah I'd be happy to see guns treated more like booze.

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You absolutely clan with a gun dealer, just as you can with a bar.  Can't sue a booze manufacturer.  Can't sue coors because you got in a vehicle accident any more successfully than you can sue the gun maker 

You CAN sue the gun store if they sold you a gun illegally or without checking the fbi database. 

Still a hard loss kiddo you're just making it worse   

Dealers are shielded from liability by the PLCAA, dummy. There's some limited circumstances where you can sue them, but a gun shop that sells a gun to a guy who goes out and kills someone is not liable in the way a bar that sells someone booze before they go out to ill someone with their car can be.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Why not? Black people are defined as having different dna, and dna has massive impact on behavior, so why wouldn't different behavior be caused by different dna? How on earth is that NOT the most obvious conclusion? Lol...it's baffling...

Because that involves ignoring countless other different factors you Nazi dumbf*ck.

[Five of swords]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The NRA, like you and otehr gunf*ckers, want guns to be widely available and easily accessible to anyone and everyone, which is tantamount to the same thing.

An 18 year old American can't legally buy booze, but can buy an AR15 or a shotgun in most U.S. states. Giving kids alcohol is pretty widely frowned upon, but gun nuts like NRA and the father of the Georgia school shooter encourage kids to use guns. If you're drunk, you can be charged with impaired driving even if you were not driving a vehicle, but you can carry a firearm while drunk. so yeah I'd be happy to see guns treated more like booze.

Dealers are shielded from liability by the PLCAA, dummy. There's some limited circumstances where you can sue them, but a gun shop that sells a gun to a guy who goes out and kills someone is not liable in the way a bar that sells someone booze before they go out to ill someone with their car can be.

 

 

Because that involves ignoring countless other different factors you Nazi dumbf*ck.

The difference between white people and black people is dna. Nothing else is intrinsic.