Rebound Posted August 31, 2024 Report Posted August 31, 2024 Since he seems to change his abortion position every day, I would like Trump supporters to tell me exactly what Donald Trump’s position is on abortion. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
herbie Posted August 31, 2024 Report Posted August 31, 2024 WTF does the opinion of someone who can't get pregnant cuz he's a man and one so rich he can fly anyone he knocks up to Sweden for an abortion matter? The guy was stupid enough to latch onto a subject that's political suicide and is now scrabbling to get out from under the mess he created. It's ONLY the opinion of the woman that's pregnant that matters, nobody else. 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted August 31, 2024 Report Posted August 31, 2024 57 minutes ago, Rebound said: Since he seems to change his abortion position every day, I would like Trump supporters to tell me exactly what Donald Trump’s position is on abortion. He hasn't changed. He wanted it to be a state issue. He doesn't want federal bans. He got that. 8 minutes ago, herbie said: WTF does the opinion of someone who can't get pregnant cuz he's a man and one so rich he can fly anyone he knocks up to Sweden for an abortion matter? The guy was stupid enough to latch onto a subject that's political suicide and is now scrabbling to get out from under the mess he created. It's ONLY the opinion of the woman that's pregnant that matters, nobody else. Why can't men have an opinion on whether prevorn children have rights? Are men not smart enough? Are men inferior? What kind of sexist bullspit is this? 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
herbie Posted August 31, 2024 Report Posted August 31, 2024 Cuz there's no such thing as preborn children you stubborn ass. And mainly because it's not your body, so you sure as hell don't have any 'rights' over it in the least. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted August 31, 2024 Report Posted August 31, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rebound said: Since he seems to change his abortion position every day, I would like Trump supporters to tell me exactly what Donald Trump’s position is on abortion. He hasn't changed it even a little bit once. Abortion should be a matter for the states. Done. Edited August 31, 2024 by CdnFox Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted August 31, 2024 Report Posted August 31, 2024 29 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: He hasn't changed. He wanted it to be a state issue. He doesn't want federal bans. He got that. Exactly. Quote Why can't men have an opinion on whether prevorn children have rights? Are men not smart enough? Are men inferior? What kind of sexist bullspit is this? You have to remember that he believes men ARE women so of course only women should have a say, men don't really exist you know Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
gatomontes99 Posted August 31, 2024 Report Posted August 31, 2024 22 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Exactly. You have to remember that he believes men ARE women so of course only women should have a say, men don't really exist you know Oh yeah! Men can get pregnant. What kind of argument is he making? 45 minutes ago, herbie said: Cuz there's no such thing as preborn children you stubborn ass. And mainly because it's not your body, so you sure as hell don't have any 'rights' over it in the least. Yes there are preborn children. I'm against murder of other people, but those aren't my body. Are you saying I shouldn't have a say in that? Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Rebound Posted August 31, 2024 Author Report Posted August 31, 2024 55 minutes ago, CdnFox said: He hasn't changed it even a little bit once. Abortion should be a matter for the states. Done. At the age of 53, in a 1999 interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Donald J. Trump described himself as “very pro-choice.” In 2011, without any explanation about the change, he informed a packed room at a conservative conference that he was now “pro-life.” In 2016, as a Republican candidate for president, he told the MSNBC host Chris Matthews that he had become so ardently opposed to abortion rights that he would even support punishments for women who got abortions. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
herbie Posted August 31, 2024 Report Posted August 31, 2024 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Yes there are preborn children. No there aren't. It's made up propaganda speak, just like the term pro-life is. Utter BS pretending to claim what isn't is. You fell for it, sucker. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 46 minutes ago, herbie said: No there aren't. It's made up propaganda speak, just like the term pro-life is. Utter BS pretending to claim what isn't is. You fell for it, sucker. It's not made up. Flagerrandoville is made up. Preborn children is a combination of words that humanize humans prior to birth. We use those words because pro choice advocates compare preborn children to cancers and parasites. People need to understand a distinct and separate human life is ended. The term preborn child helps make that point. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Hodad Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 Personally, I'm sure he's like a punch card guy--buy 9 and the 10th is free. Publicly, like the rest of his "platform" it's whatever is convenient in the moment. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 3 hours ago, Rebound said: At the age of 53, in a 1999 interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Donald J. Trump described himself as “very pro-choice.” In 2011, without any explanation about the change, he informed a packed room at a conservative conference that he was now “pro-life.” And? Quote In 2016, as a Republican candidate for president, he told the MSNBC host Chris Matthews that he had become so ardently opposed to abortion rights that he would even support punishments for women who got abortions. Well i seem to recall that interview and as is so often the case with you guys i recall the quote being a LITTLE different than you're making out. Because people were taking his quote out of context he immediately clairified: “If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as the life is in her womb Gee. Kinda feels like you're being a little dishonest again. And what do we say about positions that require you to lie to support them? Hmmm? So when he was younger trump believed in pro choice, now he believes in mostly right to life but that it's up to the states. And if the states passes a law and someone violates that law then there will be consequences. Isn't it you guys who've been screaming that 'no one is above the law' recently? Well that didn't go well for you. Did you want to try again? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Rebound Posted September 1, 2024 Author Report Posted September 1, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: And? Well i seem to recall that interview and as is so often the case with you guys i recall the quote being a LITTLE different than you're making out. Because people were taking his quote out of context he immediately clairified: “If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as the life is in her womb Gee. Kinda feels like you're being a little dishonest again. And what do we say about positions that require you to lie to support them? Hmmm? So when he was younger trump believed in pro choice, now he believes in mostly right to life but that it's up to the states. And if the states passes a law and someone violates that law then there will be consequences. Isn't it you guys who've been screaming that 'no one is above the law' recently? Well that didn't go well for you. Did you want to try again? No, Trump is definitely on record saying that there must be punishments for women who get abortions. his campaign staff tried to walk it back the next day. And Trump took credit for ending Roe v Wade. So what will be his abortion policy tomorrow? It keeps changing. Edited September 1, 2024 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
robosmith Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 8 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: He hasn't changed. He wanted it to be a state issue. He doesn't want federal bans. He got that. You are so naive you don't even understand that ^this was the rationale he offered AFTER Dobbs overturned RvW. 8 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Why can't men have an opinion on whether prevorn children have rights? Are men not smart enough? Are men inferior? What kind of sexist bullspit is this? OPINIONS have no WEIGHT, LEGAL PROHIBITIONS DENY WOMEN'S RIGHTS which have been Constitutional LAW for 50 years. You're like a slave owner with the OPINION that slaves (the pregnant women) should have no rights. 🤮 Quote
robosmith Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 8 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Oh yeah! Men can get pregnant. What kind of argument is he making? Males at birth cannot get pregnant, you ass. 8 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Yes there are preborn children. The term you're looking for is fetus. What you're writing is an appeal to popularity FALLACY. 8 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: I'm against murder of other people, but those aren't my body. Are you saying I shouldn't have a say in that? Fetus have NEVER been considered "people." Esp not the early post conception stages prior to fetus. Quote
Deluge Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 12 hours ago, Rebound said: Since he seems to change his abortion position every day, I would like Trump supporters to tell me exactly what Donald Trump’s position is on abortion. It appears Trump pretty much shares the Clinton approach: safe, legal and rare, but also keeping it mostly a state's rights issue. Don't agree with it, but he still beats the shit out of your guy, so my vote stays the same. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 3 hours ago, robosmith said: You are so naive you don't even understand that ^this was the rationale he offered AFTER Dobbs overturned RvW. OPINIONS have no WEIGHT, LEGAL PROHIBITIONS DENY WOMEN'S RIGHTS which have been Constitutional LAW for 50 years. You're like a slave owner with the OPINION that slaves (the pregnant women) should have no rights. 🤮 So my belief that preborn babies shouldn't be killed is akin to owning slaves? Really? Those are the same thing? Really? The problem with liberals is you are 100% emotion. There is no logic to what you said. You have an emotional reaction to my opinion and you give an emotional response. Bit you don't know that what you said wasn't an emotional response you believe, whole heartedly, that you made a logical response. It is fascinating how you guys can't separate facts from emotion. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
gatomontes99 Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 3 hours ago, robosmith said: Males at birth cannot get pregnant, you ass. The term you're looking for is fetus. What you're writing is an appeal to popularity FALLACY. Fetus have NEVER been considered "people." Esp not the early post conception stages prior to fetus. So males evolve over time, after birth, to be able to get pregnant, Ala Arnold Schwarzenegger? And female babies are able to conceive after birth? The term preborn child isn't a fallacy. A fallacy is a logical argument that lacks validity. Preborn child is a term. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CdnFox Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 10 hours ago, Rebound said: No, Trump is definitely on record saying that there must be punishments for women who get abortions. his campaign staff tried to walk it back the next day Complete bullshit. Sorry kiddo. you don't get to pick and choose what trump said and decide what's legit. He made it crystal clear what his position is and the fact that it's inconvenient for you is just too bad. Quote . And Trump took credit for ending Roe v Wade. Sure. Trump says that the decision belongs with the states and has believed and said that for some time. The overturn means the issue goes back to the states. Why wouldn't he take "credit" so to speak for returning the abortion issue to the states, as he has long supported? Although honestly i think he's giving himself a bit too much credit there. Quote So what will be his abortion policy tomorrow? It keeps changing. Hasn't changed at all for many years. Maybe it'll change 20 years from now who knows. not really relevant. This is just a fiction that you're desperately trying to manufacture because your candidate has zero going for her so you desperately need people to hate trump and not look at her. If trump becomes president again nothing much is going to happen with abortion law. Federally at least. Your fearmongering just isn't realistic. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Rebound Posted September 1, 2024 Author Report Posted September 1, 2024 (edited) 30 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Complete bullshit. Sorry kiddo. you don't get to pick and choose what trump said and decide what's legit. He made it crystal clear what his position is and the fact that it's inconvenient for you is just too bad. Sure. Trump says that the decision belongs with the states and has believed and said that for some time. The overturn means the issue goes back to the states. Why wouldn't he take "credit" so to speak for returning the abortion issue to the states, as he has long supported? Although honestly i think he's giving himself a bit too much credit there. Hasn't changed at all for many years. Maybe it'll change 20 years from now who knows. not really relevant. This is just a fiction that you're desperately trying to manufacture because your candidate has zero going for her so you desperately need people to hate trump and not look at her. If trump becomes president again nothing much is going to happen with abortion law. Federally at least. Your fearmongering just isn't realistic. It isn’t fear mongering that 10 and 12 year-old rape victims have been forced to deliver their babies, because of Donald Trump. Can we trust that Donald Trump will veto a law to ban abortion nation-wide? No, we absolutely cannot trust him. He is not a trustworthy person. From the ultra-conservative National Review: Trump Stabs Florida Pro-Lifers in the Front Edited September 1, 2024 by Rebound 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 3 minutes ago, Rebound said: It isn’t fear mongering that 10 and 12 year-old rape victims have been forced to deliver their babies, because of Donald Trump. True, that would just be lying. Fear-mongering is something else. Exactly zero 12 year olds or anyone else anywhere ever has been forced to deliver their baby because of Donald Trump. That is just a straight out lie. And what do we say about points where you have to lie to make them? Come on, we've been over this... 5 minutes ago, Rebound said: Can we trust that Donald Trump will veto a law to ban abortion nation-wide? No, we absolutely cannot trust him. He is not a trustworthy person. And now you're back to fear-mongering. He didn't do it when he was in power. He said he satisfied with what has been done. I don't think that there's even a legal position that would allow him to do so. It's just not something to even begin to worry about in the real world. It's like saying can we trust that Kamala harris won't pass a law banning all police officers. Well, no we can't. But it's probably not something we need to worry about. Sigh. You democrats supporters have no policy to write on, no positive vision to run on, no plan, and a candidate that's absolute shit. So apparently all you have left is fear and hatred. What does that tell you about the democrat position right now? Does that seem like a worthy thing of your support? Are you sure that you are on the right side of history here? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 1 hour ago, Rebound said: It isn’t fear mongering that 10 and 12 year-old rape victims have been forced to deliver their babies, because of Donald Trump. Can we trust that Donald Trump will veto a law to ban abortion nation-wide? No, we absolutely cannot trust him. He is not a trustworthy person. From the ultra-conservative National Review: So, ah... which is it you are here arguing? Trump is too Pro-Life to trust or is it that Trump stabbed Pro-Life people in the front and they can't trust him? Let me know when you figure this out. Quote
Rebound Posted September 1, 2024 Author Report Posted September 1, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: True, that would just be lying. Fear-mongering is something else. Exactly zero 12 year olds or anyone else anywhere ever has been forced to deliver their baby because of Donald Trump. That is just a straight out lie. And what do we say about points where you have to lie to make them? Come on, we've been over this... And now you're back to fear-mongering. He didn't do it when he was in power. He said he satisfied with what has been done. I don't think that there's even a legal position that would allow him to do so. It's just not something to even begin to worry about in the real world. It's like saying can we trust that Kamala harris won't pass a law banning all police officers. Well, no we can't. But it's probably not something we need to worry about. Sigh. You democrats supporters have no policy to write on, no positive vision to run on, no plan, and a candidate that's absolute shit. So apparently all you have left is fear and hatred. What does that tell you about the democrat position right now? Does that seem like a worthy thing of your support? Are you sure that you are on the right side of history here? You’re completely off your rocker. 1) Trump takes credit for overturning Roe v Wade 2) A dozen states ban abortion 3) Women now required to deliver babies against their will, even in cases of rape and incest. The 10 year-old rape victim in Ohio, which outlaws abortion at 6 weeks, before most women know they’re pregnant: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/07/14/10-year-old-abortion/ Edited September 1, 2024 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted September 1, 2024 Report Posted September 1, 2024 1 hour ago, Rebound said: You’re completely off your rocker. You realize every single time you say that you wind up looking like a complete !diot. i mean, Plus 10 for consistency but minus a million for stupidity Quote 1) Trump takes credit for overturning Roe v Wade 2) A dozen states ban abortion I"m sorry, what did you say there? A dozen WHAT banned abortion? Is "states" another slack term for "trump"? Does trump run any of those states? No? Uh huh. Well that didn't take you long this time did it. !diot. What trump did was take credit for turning the issue back to the states (which 5 judges did, not him, but whatever). That's it. What the states do is up to them. Some states allowed full abortion so is trump ALSO 'responsible' for guaranteeing women's rights to abortion? You're a total tard. Trump does enough wacko and dangerous REAL things, you don't have to be making stuff up out of desperation to talk about surely? And if you do, if there's nothing real to complain about then why aren't you voting trump? Quote 3) Women now required to deliver babies against their will, even in cases of rape and incest. In some states. Where the STATES, not trump, as guided by the ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THAT STATE (not trump) mad the DECISION to do that. And still not trump. If you've got a problem with what a state does, then complain about the state. There's lots of laws which are managed by the state and this is one of them and should be. What the elected representatives of a state do with the power granted to them by the people within their lawful purview isnt' trump's business. Ya figuring this out yet? You need me to get crayons out? Stick with real things. you'll get farther. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Rebound Posted September 1, 2024 Author Report Posted September 1, 2024 2 hours ago, User said: So, ah... which is it you are here arguing? Trump is too Pro-Life to trust or is it that Trump stabbed Pro-Life people in the front and they can't trust him? Let me know when you figure this out. Gosh, what’s the title of the thread? Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
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