Zuckerberg admits censorship.

[impartialobserver]

Even if this is true.. I could find out all i needed to know about Covid on a given day in 2 maybe 3 seconds. Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing, Qwant, StartPage... all could produce the requested information in seconds 

[User]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Asking questions about medical interventions that get injected into your body or into your children and demanding proof of efficacy is not WRONG.

Sure, but we have those answers. 

You are asking them in a rhetorical way to cause doubt. 

[Goddess]

Just now, User said:

Feel free to correct me here on just exactly what your argument is here then. How many vaccines on the US schedule are you opposed to? 

Well, all of them, obviously 🙄

I mean, I've only said dozens of times, literally every single time you m0r0ns accuse me, that I got lots of travelling shots and my kids got shots as children.

But noooooooooo! I'm a rabid anti-vaxxer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who opposes ALL vaccines!!!!!!!

Because only a looney-bin ANTI-VAXXERRRRRRRRRRRR would question any of this.

Get bent.

[Goddess]

Just now, User said:

Sure, but we have those answers. 

Do we?

There are no placebo trials on any of the childhood vaccinations.

There are no placebo trials on the covid vaccines.  The boosters are based on supposed efficacy of the original ones (which we know was fraudulent), no further trials needed according to the FDA.

How dare anyone require RCT's and true placebo trials!!!

Just OBEY.  Whatever the government tells you to inject into yourself, do it or you're an ANTI-VAXXXXXEEERRRRRRRRR!  EVIL!!!!!  Kill the ANTI-VAXXXXEEERS who ask questions!

🙄

[Goddess]

It's like a fuquin' religion.

Just BEEELLLIEEEVVVEEE.

Don't question.

Ignore previous fraud.  

Attack any who ask questions, as heretics.

[User]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Well, all of them, obviously 🙄

I mean, I've only said dozens of times, literally every single time you m0r0ns accuse me, that I got lots of travelling shots and my kids got shots as children.

But noooooooooo! I'm a rabid anti-vaxxer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who opposes ALL vaccines!!!!!!!

Because only a looney-bin ANTI-VAXXERRRRRRRRRRRR would question any of this.

Get bent.

Hey, you seem to have some PTSD from past discussions. I did not say any of those things to you. 

So, you have vaccines, your kids have vaccines... did you not get any of the information you are seeking at that time, did you just give those things to yourself and your kids without having all your questions answered?

 

[User]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Do we?

There are no placebo trials on any of the childhood vaccinations.

There are no placebo trials on the covid vaccines.  The boosters are based on supposed efficacy of the original ones (which we know was fraudulent), no further trials needed according to the FDA.

How dare anyone require RCT's and true placebo trials!!!

Just OBEY.  Whatever the government tells you to inject into yourself, do it or you're an ANTI-VAXXXXXEEERRRRRRRRR!  EVIL!!!!!  Kill the ANTI-VAXXXXEEERS who ask questions!

🙄

So... why did you get vaccinated and your kids vaccinated if you don't have the information you desire?

The reason we don't have more placebo trials is the ethics of it... you are knowingly giving someone something you know doesn't work against what can be a deadly or seriously harmful disease... just to see if they get it?

Seriously?

Beyond that, there are various placebo studies out there, do I need to google search them for you?

So, again, I ask, what is the point of your question here?

Not having placebo trials doesn't mean vaccines were not tested nor did they not go through trials. 

 

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's like a fuquin' religion.

Just BEEELLLIEEEVVVEEE.

Don't question.

Ignore previous fraud.  

Attack any who ask questions, as heretics.

You are the one becoming unhinged here as I am asking you questions.

 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, User said:

did you just give those things to yourself and your kids without having all your questions answered?

I didn't think to question any of it when my kids were small.  Everyone just did it. 

For my travelling years, yes, I researched and chose which ones I would take.

When I research anything, I never ever ever just rely on what the manufacturer says.  Of course they're going to tell you their product is great.

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, User said:

there are various placebo studies out there

There are no true placebo studies for most vaccines. Note:  TRUE placebo studies.  There's a difference.

I really wish more people would look into the problems with the US healthcare/pharma system.  There's a reason why Americans are the least healthy people on the planet.  It's not just vaccines, the entire system is corrupt.  They don't make hundreds of billions of dollars a year by curing illnesses.

[Nationalist]

Oh...BTW...for what it's worth...

Zuckerberg is a fcking POS!

[Goddess]

Would you sign your child up for this for $3000?

Would you do it if you knew that some of the children who were volunteered by their parents for the covid vax trials were injured permanently and were abandoned by Big Pharma?

Would you accept "just trust us" from an industry that had been continuously caught and fined for medical fraud and was the cause of the opiod epidemic?

Tell me again why it's immoral to question this.

[User]

14 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I didn't think to question any of it when my kids were small.  Everyone just did it. 

For my travelling years, yes, I researched and chose which ones I would take.

When I research anything, I never ever ever just rely on what the manufacturer says.  Of course they're going to tell you their product is great.

OK, but you were on here using the fact that your kids were vaccinated as evidence that you were OK with vaccines... but now you are saying you just did it because everyone did back then. 

So... are you saying if you could do it over again today, you would not vaccinate your kids?

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

There are no true placebo studies for most vaccines. Note:  TRUE placebo studies.  There's a difference.

And I explained why. So, what is your point in this line of argument? Are you saying we should not trust or use any vaccine that did not have what you consider to be a "TRUE placebo study"

Also, why did you get the vaccines you did for traveling if there were no "TRUE placebo studies?"

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

There's a reason why Americans are the least healthy people on the planet. 

There is, its called obesity and diet. 

That aside... what is your point in saying this? 

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's not just vaccines

So... you think vaccines are contributing to why we are not healthy? You just got done getting really upset about being called an anti-vaxxer, but you make comments like these and it makes me ask questions... 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, User said:

but now you are saying you just did it because everyone did back then. 

No.  I said I didn't question it.

 

[User]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Tell me again why it's immoral to question this.

I never said anything about asking questions being immoral and you are shifting this discussion from where I jumped in regarding the vaccine schedules now. 

So... again, are you for or against the vaccines on the schedule because you keep saying stuff about not trusting "big pharma"

 

 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, User said:

and it makes me ask questions... 

Uh-huh.

But you dont' ask questions of the people you should be asking questions of.

[User]

Just now, Goddess said:

No.  I said I didn't question it.

 

Well, you did say everyone was doing it back then, right after that part... 

So... are you saying if you could do it over again today, you would not vaccinate your kids?

Just now, Goddess said:

Uh-huh.

But you dont' ask questions of the people you should be asking questions of.

I ask plenty of questions around all the vaccines I have been a part of using. I read the literature. I have been vaccinated against everything under the sun, including small pox and anthrax. 

Again, the issue is not asking questions, my issue is with the questions you are asking and why. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

It  might be interesting for you to look into the childhood vaccination schedules of other countries. Like Denmark or Sweden.

The US is an outlier in the large number of shots required for babies.

You would find the differences quite striking. 

It should really raise many questions:

1. What is known in the US & not in these other Westernized countries?

2. Are we over using vaccines in the US?

3. Why there is no research that compares outcomes (both cannot be optimal)?

4. Has the increasing number of childhood vaccinations led to better outcomes?  Are US children healthier because of them?

 

You've asserted--without evidence--that things are somehow meaningfully different in Sweden or Denmark. 
You can search European vaccination schedules here. They all look pretty comparable to me.  

You can also view schedules by continent here. Which is interesting because some areas of the world have a different set of risk factors and therefore a different set of recommendations.

And yes, in terms of outcomes, vaccinations work. Each of those vaccinations are created to prevent actual diseases. That's why they exist. And if you want to compare the prevalence of those diseases in vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations, go for it. (And I don't mean the free riders among a population who are largely protected by herd immunity, but rather actual populations that don't vaccinate.)

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Do we?

There are no placebo trials on any of the childhood vaccinations.

There are no placebo trials on the covid vaccines.  The boosters are based on supposed efficacy of the original ones (which we know was fraudulent), no further trials needed according to the FDA.

How dare anyone require RCT's and true placebo trials!!!

Just OBEY.  Whatever the government tells you to inject into yourself, do it or you're an ANTI-VAXXXXXEEERRRRRRRRR!  EVIL!!!!!  Kill the ANTI-VAXXXXEEERS who ask questions!

🙄

I'm not sure where you are getting your "information" but we have extensive clinical data on the efficacy of childhood vaccines, as well as blind testing (placebo) of the COVID vaccines. 

[Goddess]

17 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I'm not sure where you are getting your "information" but we have extensive clinical data on the efficacy of childhood vaccines, as well as blind testing (placebo) of the COVID vaccines. 

Incorrect.

[User]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Incorrect.

Which part? He made two separate claims there. 

 

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Incorrect.

As well sourced as your other responses. 🙄

[Goddess]

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

As well sourced as your other responses. 🙄

I discussed all this previously, in regard to the covid jabs, quite a few times.

There are no true placebo trials of the childhood shots.  There's entire books written about this that also discuss the "efficacy" part.

If "just trust us" is good enough for you, that's fine.

Just say so.  And stop demonizing others who want more information before making decisions.

[User]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

I discussed all this previously, in regard to the covid jabs, quite a few times.

There are no true placebo trials of the childhood shots.  There's entire books written about this that also discuss the "efficacy" part.

If "just trust us" is good enough for you, that's fine.

Just say so.  And stop demonizing others who want more information before making decisions.

Even if we accept there are not real enough placebo trials for you... that is not the only study method used or trials these vaccines go through in their development to test them. 

So, why do you keep saying it is "just trust us" 

That isn't what is said. 

So, again, you don't want to be called an anti-vaxxer... but you keep making these kind of arguments and refuse to answer any of my questions about your position on vaccinated your kids now or what vaccines you do or don't support. 

 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Even if we accept there are not real enough placebo trials for you... that is not the only study method used or trials these vaccines go through in their development to test them. 

So, why do you keep saying it is "just trust us" 

That isn't what is said. 

So, again, you don't want to be called an anti-vaxxer... but you keep making these kind of arguments and refuse to answer any of my questions about your position on vaccinated your kids now or what vaccines you do or don't support. 

 

Well, I don't see the point in discussing it when neither of you even understand what a true placebo trial is.

[User]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Well, I don't see the point in discussing it when neither of you even understand what a true placebo trial is.

I literally just conceded that point to you here:

"Even if we accept there are not real enough placebo trials for you... "

You have repeatedly dodged my questions and my responses because I am picking apart your bad arguments and questions.