Goddess Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 5 minutes ago, User said: I literally just conceded that point to you here: "Even if we accept there are not real enough placebo trials for you... " You have repeatedly dodged my questions and my responses because I am picking apart your bad arguments and questions. It's not about whether the placebo trials were good enough for me. There were no true placebo trials. Period. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 3 minutes ago, Goddess said: It's not about whether the placebo trials were good enough for me. There were no true placebo trials. Period. And what is your point? What is your objective here? Trying to say we are being told just to trust vaccines is not accurate. They go through more trials and testing than that. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: It's not about whether the placebo trials were good enough for me. There were no true placebo trials. Period. Let's all just face facts... The mighty vaxx was a flop medicaly. All it did was provide a security blankie for the weak and the scared. And...of course...put big fat clots in our arteries... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Let's all just face facts... The mighty vaxx was a flop medicaly. All it did was provide a security blankie for the weak and the scared. And...of course...put big fat clots in our arteries... Are you talking about COVID vaccines or all vaccines? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 2 minutes ago, User said: Are you talking about COVID vaccines or all vaccines? Rona vaccines. I was immediately leary when I heard they were genetic shots. It sounded...dangerous. 2 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 Former CBC reporter Marianne spoke recently at hte NCI hearings regarding censorship. Her talk was more of a confessional, as her voice dramatically described the irresistible pressure on reporters to conform during the pandemic and help spread government propaganda and misinformation. For instance, Marianne explained how she was made to ignore vaccine-injured citizens who contacted her directly for help getting their stories out: “I felt the crushing burden and the weight of their truth not being given a voice. I felt I had failed these people as a journalist. I had witnessed in a very short time a collapse of journalism, news gathering, and investigative reporting. The way I saw it, we were pushing propaganda. To define propaganda: it’s information, ideas, opinions or images that give one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published, in order to influence opinion.” More well-covered was an astonishing letter that Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg sent this week to Congressman Jim Jordan, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee. Remarkably, the letter has received wide media coverage, such as in a USA Today op-ed headlined, “Republicans were right: Zuckerberg admits Biden administration censored your Facebook feed.” Like Marianne’s clip, Zuckerberg’s letter was similarly confessional, since it began by admitting that during the pandemic, Facebook allowed the government to control the information it was permissible for U.S. citizens to receive. From Zuck’s letter: Although Zuckerberg commendably owned the blame for bowing to the pressure, it’s not quite that simple. The government strongly suggested censorship, and Facebook understandably yielded to that pressure. This two-stepping was just a thinly disguised charade designed to give Biden’s officials plausible deniability that they never directly censored anybody. It’s just a dumb cover story and nobody believes it. What big tech company could resist focused government pressure? "That’s a nice platform you have there, it would be a shame if something happened to it, cough, TikTok, cough." TikTok resisted and failed. Musk continues to resist, and he’s paying the price. Anyway, and this may be the more significant point, Zuckerberg also expressed “regret” about demoting the true Hunter Biden laptop story, and disclosed that the FBI’s warning was not about the laptop per se, but more broadly about “Russian disinformation” related to the “Biden family and Burisma.” Meaning, Biden’s bribery problems. In other words, just like in any tinpot dictatorship, the Biden Administration successfully misused its domestic police force, the FBI, to control information about any politically embarrassing topic, not just “dangerous health misinformation” related to the pandemic. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 Why Did Zuckerberg Choose Now to Confess? ⋆ Brownstone Institute On many subjects important to public life today, vast numbers of people know the truth, and yet the official channels of information sharing are reluctant to admit it. The Fed admits no fault in inflation and neither do most members of Congress. The food companies don’t admit the harm of the mainstream American diet. The pharmaceutical companies are loath to admit any injury. Media companies deny any bias. So on it goes. Every dissident, and every normal person who had some sense that something odd was going on, was made to feel like some sort of crazy cretin who held nutty and probably dangerous views that were completely out of touch with the mainstream. What does it mean that Zuckerberg now openly admits that he excluded from view anything that contradicted government wishes? It means that any opinions on lockdowns, masks, or vaccine mandates – and all that is associated with that including church and school closures plus vaccine harms – were not part of the public debate. We had lived through and were living through the most significant far-reaching attacks on our rights and liberties in our lifetimes, or, arguably, on the history record in terms of scale and reach, and it was not part of any serious public debate. Zuckerberg’s censorship – and this pertains to Google, Instagram, Microsoft’s LinkedIn, and Twitter 1.0 – denied the public a choice on the central matter of lockdowns, masking, and shot mandates, the very issues that have fundamentally roiled the whole of civilization and set the path of history on a dark course. And it is not just the US. These are all global companies, meaning that elections in every other country, all over the globe, were similarly affected. It was a global shutdown of all opposition to radical, egregious, unworkable, and deeply damaging policies. When you think about it this way, this is not just some minor error in judgment. This was an earth-shattering decision that goes way beyond managerial cowardice. It goes beyond even election manipulation. It is an outright coup that overthrew an entire generation of leaders who stood up for freedom and replaced them with a generation of leaders who acquiesced to power exactly at the time it mattered the most. (The above author also wrote a great article on the 1969 flu: The 1968-69 “Hong Kong Flu” Pandemic Revisited ⋆ Brownstone Institute 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 3 hours ago, Goddess said: Former CBC reporter Marianne spoke recently at hte NCI hearings regarding censorship. So... you are just going to ignore everything you have said thus far here, the questions, the challenges? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 7 hours ago, Goddess said: I discussed all this previously, in regard to the covid jabs, quite a few times. There are no true placebo trials of the childhood shots. There's entire books written about this that also discuss the "efficacy" part. If "just trust us" is good enough for you, that's fine. Just say so. And stop demonizing others who want more information before making decisions. Just like there are no "true" Scotsmen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 14 hours ago, User said: So... you are just going to ignore everything you have said thus far here, the questions, the challenges? It's difficult to discuss them when you are so uninformed on what is going on with Pharma and refuse to inform yourself. All is not well there, not even close. If we can't even agree there is corruption in the industry, there's not much to discuss. You will never accept that there are problems because you refuse to inform yourself of them. 11 hours ago, Hodad said: Just like there are no "true" Scotsmen? No. There are placebo trials and then there are what the FDA calls "placebo" trials. Unless you acknowledge that you don't understand the difference and why it's important, it's difficult to discuss this with you. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 30 minutes ago, Goddess said: It's difficult to discuss them when you are so uninformed on what is going on with Pharma and refuse to inform yourself. Yet, here I am asking you questions, trying to understand your position better. You won't say though. 30 minutes ago, Goddess said: All is not well there, not even close. If we can't even agree there is corruption in the industry, there's not much to discuss. You will never accept that there are problems because you refuse to inform yourself of them. There is corruption in almost any industry. What is your point here? You keep telling me you are not an Anti-vaxxer and getting very upset at me about my questions to you... but you won't actually answer them. So, are you arguing that the industry is so corrupt that none of the vaccines are good? What does a corrupt industry have to do with your trying to claim the vaccine schedules between America and Denmark were so different, when they are not really that different? 33 minutes ago, Goddess said: No. There are placebo trials and then there are what the FDA calls "placebo" trials. Unless you acknowledge that you don't understand the difference and why it's important, it's difficult to discuss this with you. And yet, I conceded this to you and you won't explain what your point is. You won't respond to my pointing out the problem with placebo trials here. You won't respond to the point that there are more trials and validations beyond placebo trials in place. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, User said: You won't say though. I asked you to look into it. It won't do any good for me to tell you it's corrupt. You need to see it for yourself. Yes, there's corruption to a degree in every industry. But this is a LOT more corrupt than you think. 3 minutes ago, User said: And yet, I conceded this to you and you won't explain what your point is. You won't respond to my pointing out the problem with placebo trials here. You won't respond to the point that there are more trials and validations beyond placebo trials in place. This is a thread on censorship. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: I asked you to look into it. It won't do any good for me to tell you it's corrupt. You need to see it for yourself. Yes, there's corruption to a degree in every industry. But this is a LOT more corrupt than you think. So, you are just going to keep ignoring my questions... Listen, if you are so confident of your positions, it should be easy for you to defend them. 10 minutes ago, Goddess said: This is a thread on censorship. And yet you brought the things up I am responding to... Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 26 minutes ago, User said: it should be easy for you to defend them. It was. I did it in the appropriate threads. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 2 hours ago, Goddess said: It was. I did it in the appropriate threads. You brought all this up here. Now, when confronted with questions and challenges, you want to pretend like this is not the appropriate place. Earlier, you mocked the alleged dogma of those pushing vaccines as if it were religious belief in them that can't be questioned, but in the end, it is your arguments, questions, and comments here you are treating as above being questioned... Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 19 minutes ago, User said: in the end, it is your arguments, questions, and comments here you are treating as above being questioned... No, I'm annoyed that you are consciously uninformed on the extent of Pharma corruption. You clearly have no interest in finding out what's going on in the industry, so......maybe either get informed so we can discuss it, or be ready for people to leave the discussion when they find out you don't know much about it and don't want to know. **shrug** Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, Goddess said: No, I'm annoyed that you are consciously uninformed on the extent of Pharma corruption. You have no idea what I do or do not know here... it seems you are only bringing this up in some vague rhetorical ploy to make vaccines seem unsafe. I have repeatedly tried to ask you questions on this to figure out what your point is, you won't say. 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: You clearly have no interest in finding out what's going on in the industry, so......maybe either get informed so we can discuss it, or be ready for people to leave the discussion when they find out you don't know much about it and don't want to know. **shrug** Attacking my motives is just another dodge. I have engaged with you, on the things you have said here. You keep ignoring that and ignoring my questions and challenges. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 (edited) 19 hours ago, User said: I have repeatedly tried to ask you questions on this to figure out what your point is, you won't say. My point is - we are dealing with a multi-billion dollar industry that has repeatedly been caught and fined for fraud. The FDA and CDC are captured agencies who work hand-in-hand with Big Pharma. They approve dangerous drugs based solely on Pharma's claims that they are safe and then are EXTREMELY slow at pulling them from the market. As far as the corruption in the industry (although I suspect you don't really care about it), myself and WestCan have both reported that medical journals are now quietly removing fraudulent articles from their websites and archives. This is in response to many whistleblowers who have come forward with evidence of medical scamming and fraud in Pharma-paid-for studies. This is why I tend to put more faith in studies conducted independently from Big Pharma, by independent labs and scientists. They have no skin in the game. And they have everything to lose by reporting truthfully, yet they still do it. Big Pharma has been secretly “ghostwriting” articles in top medical and oncology journals to trick doctors into buying their drugs. Which they then prescribe to YOU, and receive kickbacks for. Here’s how the scam works: First, pharma pays companies big money to ghostwrite studies that look legit. Then, they approach doctors, offering them prestige in exchange for slapping their names on these ghostwritten studies. Once published in top medical journals, these articles deceive other doctors into prescribing their drugs, believing the results are authentic. This scheme tricks doctors into promoting treatments based on false research, driving up drug sales while putting patients at risk. One of the doctors/scientists that have tried for years to expose this is Dr. Russell Blaylock. If you search him, you'll find him listed as some kind of crackpot. But this man warned early on of the dangers from aspartame, which is why he is viewed as insane. But who's been proven correct on aspartame? Dr. Blaylock. This is just ONE example of this entire industry having gone completely awry and no longer working in the best interests of people, but solely in the interests of $$$$. If you really start looking into it, (I'm positive you won't) you would shocked at what's been going on. You would be shocked to know how LITTLE childhood vaccines are tested. So no - I'm not saying ALL vaccines are bad. I'm saying ALL vaccines should be subject to true trials by independent labs and scientists. I think we should be DEMANDING this. I kinda hope RFK Jr. gets into gov't because cleaning up this industry has been his passion for many years and I do believe it would go a long ways to actually, truly improving health around the world. But, of course, he is also a "crackpot", amiright???? Or you can go back to sleep and believe all is well and Big Pharma really loves and cares about you. Nighty-night! Edited September 5 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 It's essential to question the information presented to us, seek out the truth beyond the surface, and understand that sometimes, the pursuit of profit overshadows the genuine quest for knowledge and health. If you don't look back on the last few years and question it and think it's some of the weirdest times we've ever lived through, then you're not paying attention. The medical industrial complex is just as evil as the military industrial complex. What happened in NYC at the beginning of the "pandemic" is being questioned in the US Congress now. Refrigerated trucks were never used, field hospitals set up and never used. In spite of there being 4 other hospitals in the area of Elmhurst, they all sat empty and every patient was sent to Elmhurst. Guess which hospital was featured on the news? 20,000 deaths are claimed, yet they are refusing to release death certificates or names. Where did 20,000 bodies go? Imagine the intense effort needed for that. There is a spike of 20,000 deaths and nothing before or after that "event". It's looking more and more suspicious. The data literally looks like this: People are wising up. We better start demanding answers before they do this again. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 15 minutes ago, Goddess said: My point is - we are dealing with a multi-billion dollar industry that has repeatedly been caught and fined for fraud. The FDA and CDC are captured agencies who work hand-in-hand with Big Pharma. They approve dangerous drugs based solely on Pharma's claims that they are safe and then are EXTREMELY slow at pulling them from the market. This is a lot of generalization. "Big Pharma" "They" There are more drugs out there than you or I could ever review in a lifetime, what percentage of them are "dangerous" and were approved solely on "Pharma's claims" they are safe? You are trying to portray this as some kind of systemic problem, but are not quantifying it. 17 minutes ago, Goddess said: As far as the corruption in the industry (although I suspect you don't really care about it), I care deeply about corruption, but what I do not care about is what appears to be your vague attack on vaccines through this broad generalization about corruption. You are hiding behind all of this instead of directly answering, exactly which vaccines on the schedule do you disagree with and why? Exactly which one of the vaccines on the schedule do you think are dangerous and were only there because of corruption? You won't directly answer, you won't give specifics. 20 minutes ago, Goddess said: You would be shocked to know how LITTLE childhood vaccines are tested. OK, which ones? What do you define as "little" here and what testing is it you demand more of and why? Do you think any of the current vaccines are dangerous and should be avoided? Let's see your specifics. 21 minutes ago, Goddess said: So no - I'm not saying ALL vaccines are bad. But... you are doing so indirectly. You are attacking the entire industry as corrupt. So, which vaccines on the schedule are bad? Be specific. Which vaccines on the schedule do you think are good? The list is not that long, should be pretty easy for you to do. 23 minutes ago, Goddess said: Or you can go back to sleep and believe all is well and Big Pharma really loves and cares about you. Oh no, I want to hear your specifics. I am not asleep here at all. In fact, this is one of my top 5 things I have researched and love discussing. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, User said: instead of directly answering My direct answer is: I've spent a lot of time researching the corruption, reading books, reading studies, paying attention. You want this all summed up in one or two sentences. My direct answer is: Find out for yourself. Or don't. It's entirely up to you. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 5 minutes ago, User said: So, which vaccines on the schedule are bad? Be specific. Which vaccines on the schedule do you think are good? You seem to have trouble with comprehension. I've replied repeatedly to you that I believe they should ALL be re-researched by independent, not Pharma-paid-for labs and scientists. I believe this is urgent, due to the massive amount of corruption in the industry and the desperation in their attempts to cover things up. 7 minutes ago, User said: this is one of my top 5 things I have researched and love discussing. I disagree. You seem to be nothing more than a shill for Big Pharma and reject any information that contradicts your already decided upon views. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, Goddess said: It's essential to question the information presented to us, seek out the truth beyond the surface, and understand that sometimes, the pursuit of profit overshadows the genuine quest for knowledge and health. That is exactly what I am trying to do. You are here presenting information and I am trying to seek the truth behind the surface. 5 minutes ago, Goddess said: Refrigerated trucks were never used Um... https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/us/new-york-coronavirus-victims-refrigerated-trucks/index.html 5 minutes ago, Goddess said: field hospitals set up and never used This is a bit of a half truth. Yes, many field hospitals were never used and those that were not to their full capacity... thank goodness. These were precautions to try to stay ahead of any demand. However, some were in fact used. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/photos-show-patients-arriving-at-the-javits-center-field-hospital-in-new-york-city.html 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: In spite of there being 4 other hospitals in the area of Elmhurst, they all sat empty and every patient was sent to Elmhurst. Guess which hospital was featured on the news? That was not the only Hospital in the news, nor did others sit empty. There were certainly others nearby that had space and capacity while Elmhurts was full, but that was due to it being a network of indepent Hospitals all governed by different organizations. It was a matter of a lack of coordination early on that they worked through as the pandemic progressed. So... what is your point with all this? Are you trying to say the pandemic didn't happen or something? https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/us/brooklyn-hospital-coronavirus-patients-deaths/index.html Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 18 minutes ago, Goddess said: 20,000 deaths are claimed, yet they are refusing to release death certificates or names. Where did 20,000 bodies go? Imagine the intense effort needed for that. Um... there were more than 20K who died from COVID in NYC. They went to mass graves, to funeral homes, to graveyards... just like other bodies do. It was an intense effort, widely reported on at the time: https://www.ft.com/content/193a5792-10ef-4b3c-82e0-298c2180ba9c Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 16 minutes ago, Goddess said: My direct answer is: I've spent a lot of time researching the corruption, reading books, reading studies, paying attention. You want this all summed up in one or two sentences. My direct answer is: Find out for yourself. Or don't. It's entirely up to you. So... you think some vaccines are dangerous, that they were produced and approved through a system of corruption... but you are not willing to tell us which ones? What kind of a monster are you? You want people to die and take deadly vaccines while you tell them to go figure it out for themselves? None of this makes any sense. You are on here arguing about the corruption, but won't give specifics. Hell, just give me vaccine, not the COVID one, that you think is dangerous and was only approved through corruption. Name one. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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