Old boring liar

[CouchPotato]

33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So Trump being outright racist is a solution to that? If you say so...

I don't think Trump is a racist. I think he does say really bad stuff sometimes the same way that everyone has in bad moments. Trump just has his bad moments in public. I mean if you want to talk about racism, I think it's more racist when someone like Biden says "they want to put y'all back in chains." He was clearly using a disturbing period in history to instill fear in a group of people. He knows that it is a fear black people live with. He knows that his political opponent was in no danger of doing this. But he chooses to use this fear to manipulate them. He even tried to mimic a stereotypical accent. That is racist. Democrats have used race for years. But maybe the appearance of racism is a greater concern than actual racism, in the same way that appearing principled is more important than having principles.

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49 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Cowed?  How? Conservatives have held the presidency exactly 50% of the last 40 years.  Trump's tactics worked for him, barely, in 2016.  I'll bet Jeb Bush could have beat Hillary Clinton too.

You are conflating Conservatives with Republicans. 

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So Trump being outright racist is a solution to that? If you say so...

Trump is not an outright racist. 

 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Why isn't she running on the actual Biden/Harris record? 

Securing the border? Hitting 40 year highs in inflation? A resurgent Taliban? An enriched and more belligerent Iran? A costly proxy war with Russia?

You can make arguments about the border or inflation, but the resurgent Taliban and a belligerent Iran are inarguably Trump's doing. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, myata said:

renewal and hope.

Biden spent 4 years renewing and hoping. People are sick of it, and if Harris doesn't differentiate herself from him, she may suffer the same fate.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You can make arguments about the border or inflation, but the resurgent Taliban and a belligerent Iran are inarguably Trump's doing. 

Nope. neither is.  Biden had the power to address both, and he failed.  It's like blaming a car crash on the guy who was driving  a half hour ago instead of the person driving when it crashed, based on the excuse that the previous driver said this looked like a good road.  You still drove buddy and YOU had the control. 

[ironstone]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You can make arguments about the border or inflation, but the resurgent Taliban and a belligerent Iran are inarguably Trump's doing. 

How is it Trump's fault that the Taliban are better armed than they've ever been?

And how could Trump be responsible for the Iran of today? It wasn't him that freed up billions of dollars to this huge  sponsor of international terrorism.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

So Trump being outright racist

How is he racist?

You're conflating his racial insensitivity, for racism. Racial insensitivity, isn't racist. Its rude, sure, but there isn't a comment he has made that was taken as racist, vs actually being as such in appropriate context.

I tell my wife that Filipinos tend to point with their lips. Insensitive? Sure. But many, do. 

Heck, she does it, too! 

IE he called Haiti and other countries, s***holes. Many said that comment was racist.

How?

People are literally willing to drown, or walk through Amazon rain forests, likely to be raped, devoured by animals or killed--just to get out. Find me an Expedia page selling out flights to Port au Prince.

The comment isn't racist. Its so honest, it hurts the easily offended.

He's blunt, immature, petty, but all of these things don't point to racism.

He says what he says, and doesn't consider the implications, the "between the lines" politicians obsess with on how it will be taken.

[Hodad]

56 minutes ago, ironstone said:

How is it Trump's fault that the Taliban are better armed than they've ever been?

And how could Trump be responsible for the Iran of today? It wasn't him that freed up billions of dollars to this huge  sponsor of international terrorism.

The Trump administration made a deal, in writing, with the Taliban to, in essence, give them back Afghanistan. They actively excluded the Afghan government from that process. Then Trump pulled nearly the entire US military presence from Afghanistan before leaving office. 

Reasonable people can debate about whether or not we should have exited Afghanistan, but there isn't any debate that the events above returned the Taliban to power. 

And Trump withdrew the US from the JCPOA (US, EU, UK, Russia, China, etc.) deal to prevent a nuclear Iran. Again, reasonable people can debate the quality of that deal, but it's not debatable that destroying the only mechanism for deterring nuclear Iran accelerated Iran's trajectory to becoming a nuclear power. He broke it without replacing it, so yes, he owns that acceleration. 

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10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The Trump administration made a deal, in writing, with the Taliban to, in essence, give them back Afghanistan. They actively excluded the Afghan government from that process. Then Trump pulled nearly the entire US military presence from Afghanistan before leaving office. 

Reasonable people can debate about whether or not we should have exited Afghanistan, but there isn't any debate that the events above returned the Taliban to power. 

And Trump withdrew the US from the JCPOA (US, EU, UK, Russia, China, etc.) deal to prevent a nuclear Iran. Again, reasonable people can debate the quality of that deal, but it's not debatable that destroying the only mechanism for deterring nuclear Iran accelerated Iran's trajectory to becoming a nuclear power. He broke it without replacing it, so yes, he owns that acceleration. 

You people... you run away from every other discussion we have had where we have destroyed these arguments, just to mindlessly repeat them again. 

No, the deal with the Taliban was not to give them back Afghanistan. That is an outright lie and sheer ignorance on your part. 

There was a peace agreement part to that deal the Taliban balked on, Biden chose to withdraw when he did and how he did, and didn't care about that because Biden wanted out. That mess is all on Biden. 

 

[ironstone]

51 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The Trump administration made a deal, in writing, with the Taliban to, in essence, give them back Afghanistan. They actively excluded the Afghan government from that process. Then Trump pulled nearly the entire US military presence from Afghanistan before leaving office. 

Reasonable people can debate about whether or not we should have exited Afghanistan, but there isn't any debate that the events above returned the Taliban to power. 

And Trump withdrew the US from the JCPOA (US, EU, UK, Russia, China, etc.) deal to prevent a nuclear Iran. Again, reasonable people can debate the quality of that deal, but it's not debatable that destroying the only mechanism for deterring nuclear Iran accelerated Iran's trajectory to becoming a nuclear power. He broke it without replacing it, so yes, he owns that acceleration. 

Who was in charge during the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal? Is it Trump's fault that billions in military hardware was left for the Taliban?

Do you honestly believe the Ayatollah's are going to abide by any agreement to not pursue nuclear weapons?

Next you're going to tell me that Iran does not sponsor terrorism.

[myata]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Who was in charge during the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal? Is it Trump's fault that billions in military hardware was left for the Taliban?

Well, this is dishonest. If you make a government such as Afghan very much a sitting duck, and declare it to the whole world, there are no miracles that could save the situation from the disaster. You just pulled the rug from any possibility of it standing. This is characteristic for his style of chaos: doing just about anything to gain a few publicity points immediately with no responsible consideration of the consequences. It's not a long stretch to surmise that the weakness of the West in Afghanistan prompted Putin to his gamble the following year. And now he wants to cower to Putin.

Nothing is assured facing this new axis of dictators. It takes careful planning and a lot of concerted effort. Here comes an ignorant buffoon, pulls a few pegs here, knocks a few stones there and all of a sudden the entire dam is coming down.

[herbie]

9 hours ago, myata said:

Whenever he opens his mouth, lies are bursting out

As if lies were the only thing. After that major scandal with members of the Royal family privately wondering what colour a baby will be, here the Great Orange Oaf comes right out in public in a TV interview questioning Harris's racial background.
Is she black or is she Indian?

FFS she's got to fit into one of your pigeonholes, eh MR Bigot. Here you insult blacks, Indians and everyone of mixed race. Come right out and show the world you're even more loathesome than they thought, stupid enough to alienate a large bloc of voters and think you become a 'winner' by attacking people including the one you're directly speaking to. So much for making the slightest effort to unite America.

What a pig, a boorish, loudmouthed utter a$$hole lacking the slightest but of self control.

[CouchPotato]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

FFS she's got to fit into one of your pigeonholes, eh MR Bigot. Here you insult blacks, Indians and everyone of mixed race.

Except he did not insult any race. He did not say that it was bad to be Indian or bad to be black. He insinuated that she picks and chooses which one she is based on which audience she wants to appeal to. Maybe he is wrong. But the only insult here is directed at Kamala.

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[CouchPotato]

9 hours ago, myata said:

Whenever he opens his mouth, lies are bursting out as though he has real trouble holding them in himself. Wherever he goes, the message is always the same: hatred wrapped in lies, mixed and adorned with more lies and hatred. When is it enough? Where, beyond the obvious absence of ideas, the dead end of hope it's just plain old boring? To the toothache. What, this, again?

A lying clown who wants to lead his troupe over the field of fires with his lying tambourine. Such an old, lying story.

Sure there are real problems; they aren't going anywhere and need to be solved and repaired: by thinking, responsible citizens who care about their country, and their posterity. But hiring lying clowns is not an smart way to attend to such problems: they'll ruin everything that still works, and create more dire ones. No musings, history itself tells and shows us that very clearly.

Only an old lying clown with a tambourine of hatred and lies. Boom, boom, boom. Unfit, obviously. But so terribly old and boring, too.

 

myata, you don't really make any points. You don't explain why he is a liar. You don't explain why he is any worse a liar than other politicians. You simply make a long rant about hatred and lies, lies and hatred, lying hatefulness and hateful lies. This is what we mean when we talk about derangement syndrome. You say you are worried about totalitarians. But you rant like you are one. You never address another's arguments. You claim to be the voice of reality. All your statements are objective truths and everyone else is a liar.

[myata]

33 minutes ago, herbie said:

What a ...

This nomination round is simply astounding in its naked perplexity. How is it even possible? Are we already in a half-alternate universe just don't know it yet?

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

This nomination round is simply astounding in its naked perplexity. How is it even possible? Are we already in a half-alternate universe just don't know it yet?

Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam MARVELOOUS SPAAAAAM WONDERFUL SPAAAAAM....  (clearly he's a monty python fan  ) 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Who was in charge during the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal? Is it Trump's fault that billions in military hardware was left for the Taliban?

Do you honestly believe the Ayatollah's are going to abide by any agreement to not pursue nuclear weapons?

Next you're going to tell me that Iran does not sponsor terrorism.

Trump withdrew (literally) 90% of the troops. He intended to withdraw 100%, but didn't quite make it and left the final 2500 troops in country for his successor. In my view, the person who made the plan, made the deal and did 90% of the job was charge in charge of the thing. When you have just 2500 troops in a country that is lost to the Taliban already, there aren't many options, but if you'd like to apportion 10% of blame to Biden, knock yourself out.

And it's not a matter of believing what they will abide by. That deal was our access and our leverage. It was the way for the world to monitor and manage Iran. Without it we simply have nothing. If Trump had come up with a better alternative, that's one thing, but he didn't. As an agent of chaos he simply broke it and moved on. 

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2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

In my view

In your view... you hide from posters who repeatedly call you out for what you post here. 

Your view is as partisan as they come, built on misinformation and lies. 

Trump did not make the plan to withdrawal as Biden did. Trump didn't plan to leave billions of dollars of equipment behind for the Taliban, or to disgracefully leave our men exposed at an airport of chaos dropping people to their death trying to cling to planes... Trump didn't blow up a bunch of kids in a car and try to take credit for it as if he blew up the terrorists responsible for killing our men... Trump didn't ignore the Taliban breaking a component of the deal and still proceed on with it anyway... Trump didn't leave Americans behind. Trump didn't leave our allies behind. 

That is all on Biden and it was such an abysmal mess, the only thing a dishonest partisan like you can do is try to blame Trump. 

 

[ironstone]

47 minutes ago, Hodad said:

And it's not a matter of believing what they will abide by. That deal was our access and our leverage. It was the way for the world to monitor and manage Iran. Without it we simply have nothing. If Trump had come up with a better alternative, that's one thing, but he didn't. As an agent of chaos he simply broke it and moved on. 

Without the deal there was still a lot of leverage..like sanctions for instance?

Again, you guys are engaging in serious verbal gymnastics to completely exonerate the Biden/Harris administration from their failures.

Is it fair game to go after Harris for the huge crime spree in California or is that also out of bounds?

 

https://anncoulter.com/2024/07/24/the-prosecutor-vs-the-felon

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Trump withdrew (literally) 90% of the troops. He intended to withdraw 100%, but didn't quite make it and left the final 2500 troops in country for his successor. In my view, the person who made the plan, made the deal and did 90% of the job was charge in charge of the thing. When you have just 2500 troops in a country that is lost to the Taliban already, there aren't many options, but if you'd like to apportion 10% of blame to Biden, knock yourself out.

And it's not a matter of believing what they will abide by. That deal was our access and our leverage. It was the way for the world to monitor and manage Iran. Without it we simply have nothing. If Trump had come up with a better alternative, that's one thing, but he didn't. As an agent of chaos he simply broke it and moved on. 

If his successor saw that the situation wasn't stable anymore or that there were potential issues WHICH HE WAS WARNED ABOUT and continued anyway...  then that's on his succcessor. 

[Hodad]

34 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Without the deal there was still a lot of leverage..like sanctions for instance?

Again, you guys are engaging in serious verbal gymnastics to completely exonerate the Biden/Harris administration from their failures.

Is it fair game to go after Harris for the huge crime spree in California or is that also out of bounds?

 

https://anncoulter.com/2024/07/24/the-prosecutor-vs-the-felon

Okay. You're complaining about the efficacy of the status quo in which sanctions are our only leverage, having abandoned the multilateral deal. You are complaining about the result, but you want to blame someone else for the status quo Trump created. Talk about "verbal gymnastics." 

I repeat, if you didn't like Iran's accelerated nuclear trajectory, point your finger at the man who dismantled the deal to slow and manage it. Again, he broke it and walked away, as he did with a good many things.

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39 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Okay. You're complaining about the efficacy of the status quo in which sanctions are our only leverage, having abandoned the multilateral deal. You are complaining about the result, but you want to blame someone else for the status quo Trump created. Talk about "verbal gymnastics." 

I repeat, if you didn't like Iran's accelerated nuclear trajectory, point your finger at the man who dismantled the deal to slow and manage it. Again, he broke it and walked away, as he did with a good many things.

Maybe next time Democrats like Obama should go through Congress to approve treaties instead of entering the United States into a Non-binding agreement. 

Live by executive gimmicks, die by them. 

 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

He insinuated that she picks and chooses which one she is

Oh no, that's not a bigoted and insulting thing to ask someone to do, not according to obnoxious arseholes too stupid to know better.

Who gives a shit what ethnicity she is? Certainly none of Trump's business.  If that concerns you, you're definitely a bigoted arsehole.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, myata said:

This nomination round is simply astounding in its naked perplexity. How is it even possible? Are we already in a half-alternate universe just don't know it yet?

You're in the Land where arseholes are heroes, the Triumph of The Ignoroids.

[User]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh no, that's not a bigoted and insulting thing to ask someone to do, not according to obnoxious arseholes too stupid to know better.

Who gives a shit what ethnicity she is? Certainly none of Trump's business.  If that concerns you, you're definitely a bigoted arsehole.

Well, when the Democrats stop using race to play identity politics... let us know. 

The entire reason she was picked for VP is because she is black.