Its official - the shooter was a democrat.

[Black Dog]

56 minutes ago, User said:

You are lying

"What facts? You haven't presented any facts, just an unproven claim by a fascist-enabling Trump supporter."

I posted that after I posted this:

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You'll note that there's no evidence given here for the claim that Crooks was a pro-lockdown, pro-immigration, left-wing Joe Biden supporter, just the word of a fascist-enabling Trump supporter.

Just admit you were flustered by the linear passage of time.

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

"Highly regulated" is of course a subjective term, just weaesly enough for you to slither around.

No, it's pretty objective.  You can look at one end of it (no regulation) and you can look at all the possible regulation and  how far that goes (one step before state ownership of all business) and you can reasonably state where something is on the spectrum. 

But i love the fact that you're wrong means i'm 'slithering'  

56 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Name a market socialist state that has these features.

China has a fair number, nazi germany did, russia for sure, a few others. 

So at this point you've realized i'm right and you're not thrilled about that and you'd like to argue further just because me being right irks you.  

This is often where you wind up looking stupid, because you'll make statements that aren't very bright for all the wrong reasons. 

I'm fine with you looking stupid if that's your thing but maybe we should just recap and move on. 

The fact that there is a market doesnt' mean the management isn't socialist. Many flavours of socialism involve a heavily regulated market. 

While almost all capitalist markets these days are not true open capitalist markets but rather are 'fair' markets with some regulation, the presence of some regulation does not make the market "socialist". 

There you go.  

[Black Dog]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah- you weren't around for that discussion i take it.  I'm not using that term lightly or as a casual pejorative. you can go back and read his thread where we discussed how hitler was not the agressor and the only reason for the war is that france and britian hated germany, or his discussion with User about how there's no proof gas chambers ever existed, etc etc.  I suppose technically nazi sympathizer or idolizer or something would be more accurate.   

Sorry sweetie, if they're not affliated with a nazi party they're not a nazi. That's how it works. Otherwise  "nazi" just means someone you don't like and want to dehumanize by calling them a pejorative that you can't demonstrate or prove. 

Edited July 30, 2024 by Black Dog

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

I see everything went completely over your head lol. You don't even know what the discussion was about. You will probably never figure it out, either.

 

Yeah dude. The Soviets also had a planned economy.

I'm kind o' thinkin' you are having issues figuring this out...

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Sorry sweetie, if they're not affliated with a nazi party they're not a nazi.

i'm pretty sure he's affiliated  

[Black Dog]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

i'm pretty sure he's affiliated  

Look, this is simple.  You WANT him to be a nazi because 'nazi is bad' and you want them to be bad.  So anyone you don't like must be a nazi. But that is simply not how the universe works. A nazi poster would mention that they are a nazi poster.

Edited July 30, 2024 by Black Dog

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Look, this is simple.  You WANT him to be a nazi because 'nazi is bad' and you want them to be bad.  So anyone you don't like must be a nazi. But that is simply not how the universe works. A nazi poster would mention that they are a nazi poster.

I think you are overestimating his intelligence. That is too sophisticated a psychological device for him to figure out.

[User]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Just admit you were flustered by the linear passage of time.

Do you admit there were facts in the message I shared?

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Look, this is simple.  You WANT him to be a nazi because 'nazi is bad' and you want them to be bad.  So anyone you don't like must be a nazi. But that is simply not how the universe works. A nazi poster would mention that they are a nazi poster.

He pretty much mentioned he's a nazi poster   And i'd hate to disagree with his personal pronouns (Heil in this case)

And congratulations - you're almost learned mimickry   Which means you're almost as intelligent as a parrot    Well done 

Edited July 31, 2024 by CdnFox

[Black Dog]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He pretty much mentioned he's a nazi poster   And i'd hate to disagree with his personal pronouns (Heil in this case)

Sorry, not good enough. It doesn't matter if he has a 1488 tattoo and a framed Hitler poster on his bedroom wall, unless he's a card-carrying member of the party you can't call him a Nazi, those are your rules, not mine. 

I also appreciate that you've singhle-handedly managed to change the meaning of the   emoji to mean "madder than anyone has every been in history."

14 hours ago, Five of swords said:

I think you are overestimating his intelligence. That is too sophisticated a psychological device for him to figure out.

Are you or have you ever been a member of the Nazi party.

Edited July 31, 2024 by Black Dog

[Black Dog]

14 hours ago, User said:

Do you admit there were facts in the message I shared?

Are you illiterate?

I already said, and I quote: "I'm not denying the FBI reached out to that fascist f*cker for information on account they suspect is linked to the shooter."

This frantic pedantic ass covering of yours is sad, just admit you missed the part where I clearly stated what parts of the story I was disputing and we can all move on.

 

[Five of swords]

10 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Sorry, not good enough. It doesn't matter if he has a 1488 tattoo and a framed Hitler poster on his bedroom wall, unless he's a card-carrying member of the party you can't call him a Nazi, those are your rules, not mine. 

I also appreciate that you've singhle-handedly managed to change the meaning of the   emoji to mean "madder than anyone has every been in history."

Are you or have you ever been a member of the Nazi party.

There is no nazi party. 'Nazi' was just a pejorative term that English speakers used for the NSDAP, which the nsdap never called itself and in fact ironically was a word that stems from the same root as 'Ashkenazi.

 

George Rockwell called his party the 'American nazi party' but to be honest that is just because he was a bit of a clown. He had no connection to any remnant of the actual nsdap at the time such as otto remer or Leon degruelle.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Sorry, not good enough. It doesn't matter if he has a 1488 tattoo and a framed Hitler poster on his bedroom wall, unless he's a card-carrying member of the party you can't call him a Nazi, those are your rules, not mine. 

I also appreciate that you've singhle-handedly managed to change the meaning of the   emoji to mean "madder than anyone has every been in history."

Are you or have you ever been a member of the Nazi party.

Uhh ohhh - Looks like someone's having a bit of a meltdown     LOLOL!!!!!!!

Got your butt kicked in the other thread and can't get over it huh   Well there you go   

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

There is no nazi party. 'Nazi' was just a pejorative term that English speakers used for the NSDAP, which the nsdap never called itself and in fact ironically was a word that stems from the same root as 'Ashkenazi.

 

George Rockwell called his party the 'American nazi party' but to be honest that is just because he was a bit of a clown. He had no connection to any remnant of the actual nsdap at the time such as otto remer or Leon degruelle.

Oh sorry @Black Dog,  he's not a nazi, he's a NSDAP.  Don't know how i could have made that mistake, that's my bad.   

[Five of swords]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Oh sorry @Black Dog,  he's not a nazi, he's a NSDAP.  Don't know how i could have made that mistake, that's my bad.   

The nsdap is by definition German, and there also is no such party (anymore, it is outlawed). I am also not german.

Edited July 31, 2024 by Five of swords

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Five of swords said:

The nsdap is by definition German, and there also is no such party (anymore, it is outlawed). I am also not german.

Did you have to be german to join the NSDAP? or to support them? I don't recall reading that rule, and many outside of germany were found to be supporters. 

[Five of swords]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Did you have to be german to join the NSDAP? or to support them? I don't recall reading that rule, and many outside of germany were found to be supporters. 

You did not have to be german to support them, but supporting them kinda required that the party actually existed, which it no longer does. The supporters were basically people who thought 'this German party has some good ideas and we should do something similar in our own country'. But considering th3 axiom of substitution is too difficult for you to fathom, I know that such a concept is going to go way over your head.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

You did not have to be german to support them, but supporting them kinda required that the party actually existed, which it no longer does. The supporters were basically people who thought 'this German party has some good ideas and we should do something similar in our own country'. But considering th3 axiom of substitution is too difficult for you to fathom, I know that such a concept is going to go way over your head.

Maybe if you're trying to pretend someone isn't as smart as you, don't spell "the" as "th3"   LOLOL

So you're saying you would have supported them but you can't now. 

[Black Dog]

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Uhh ohhh - Looks like someone's having a bit of a meltdown     LOLOL!!!!!!!

Got your butt kicked in the other thread and can't get over it huh   Well there you go   

LOL there you go again claiming victory while sitting in your own soiled diaper. Bad enough your "only card-carrying members of the Nazi party can be called Nazis" was absurd on its face; you then had to go and show you don't even have the courage of your convictions here. Hence the "not-mad-actually-laughing" emojifest. Busted b!tch.

Edited July 31, 2024 by Black Dog

[Five of swords]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Maybe if you're trying to pretend someone isn't as smart as you, don't spell "the" as "th3"   LOLOL

So you're saying you would have supported them but you can't now. 

For you and for most people in the anglosphere, the nsdap is defined as a party that just wanted to be evil for no reason. I do not support being evil for no reason. But again, to understand that you have to be able to comprehend the axiom of substitution...so this is rather pointless for me to say.

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

LOL there you go again claiming victory while sitting in your own soiled diaper. 

Kid, whenever you start to rant and cry it's pretty obvious that you're the one admitting defeat, not me admitting victory  

There's nothing absurd at all  saying that people who identify as nazi's are nazis, people who don't are not. That's actually pretty normal.

What you're mad about is that i pointed out how AB-normal it would be to say that people who don't claim to be nazis are nazis  just because you don't like them. And this was spelled out for you.   And that is still correct.

Apparently the concept has lead to a bit of a brain melt down for you   

I don't think this guy is a nsdap (nazi to everyone else) supporter because i don't like him.  I think he is because he constantly specifically speaks in favour of them and various policies and denies any wrongdoing on their part and associates his  beliefs with there's.  He's been given numerous opportunities to say otherwise, he doesn't.  So if he's going to identify as a supporter of 1938 nsdap then that's why i would refer to him as an nsdap supporter. 

Not complex. Go stand in the freezer till your brain isn't runny any more  

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

For you and for most people in the anglosphere, the nsdap is defined as a party that just wanted to be evil for no reason. I do not support being evil for no reason. But again, to understand that you have to be able to comprehend the axiom of substitution...so this is rather pointless for me to say.

So in other words yes, but you're feeling buthurt because you were made to look stupid earlier. Fair enough  

Joking aside I don't really feel that the Nazis were a party that just wanted to be evil for the sake of being evil. I don't even think that they would have thought of it as being evil. I am 100% convinced That they believed that they were acting in the best interest of the country and that expansion through military force of arms was actually their duty and a noble goal.

And if I have to be honest if you take away all of the violence and military crap and insanity and Jew hatred hitler was a relatively good leader on many friends. He stabilized their economy, got their insane inflation under control, got industry back up and running and working again and was making good headway into ending some of the more brutal portions of the Treaty of Versailles. 

But then we come back to all of the violence and military crap and insanity and hatred of Jews. And his solid belief that the purpose of the nation was to expand through military force.

It's worth remembering that many of the papers and even the left wing papers in the states and around Europe praised Hitler widely until he started blowing the snot out of his neighbors and killing people.

But in the end he was a crazed homicidal maniac and a violent warmonger who had to be put down. I know you don't feel that way, but he left the world little choice

[Five of swords]

Just now, CdnFox said:

So in other words yes, but you're feeling buthurt because you were made to look stupid earlier. Fair enough  

Joking aside I don't really feel that the Nazis were a party that just wanted to be evil for the sake of being evil. I don't even think that they would have thought of it as being evil. I am 100% convinced That they believed that they were acting in the best interest of the country and that expansion through military force of arms was actually their duty and a noble goal.

And if I have to be honest if you take away all of the violence and military crap and insanity and Jew hatred hitler was a relatively good leader on many friends. He stabilized their economy, got their insane inflation under control, got industry back up and running and working again and was making good headway into ending some of the more brutal portions of the Treaty of Versailles. 

But then we come back to all of the violence and military crap and insanity and hatred of Jews. And his solid belief that the purpose of the nation was to expand through military force.

It's worth remembering that many of the papers and even the left wing papers in the states and around Europe praised Hitler widely until he started blowing the snot out of his neighbors and killing people.

But in the end he was a crazed homicidal maniac and a violent warmonger who had to be put down. I know you don't feel that way, but he left the world little choice

I'm sorry you made this effort post without knowing that I dont care one bit what you think about the nsdap

[CdnFox]

Just now, Five of swords said:

I'm sorry you made this effort post without knowing that I dont care one bit what you think about the nsdap

You're obviously care a great deal. You post me about it quite a bit, you post to others about it quite a bit, you post to the point of being absolutely ridiculous and making statements that are disproved in 5 seconds because of your feelings about it.

And while posts like that may seem like a lot of work to you they only take me a couple of moments. So no biggie  

BTW  - pro tip, if you really don't care about someone's opinion on something don't take the time to write them and tell them how you don't care.  It's a giveaway that you care   

[Black Dog]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Kid, whenever you start to rant and cry it's pretty obvious that you're the one admitting defeat, not me admitting victory  

Projecting again, huh. Comes as easy to you as lying.

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There's nothing absurd at all  saying that people who identify as nazi's are nazis, people who don't are not. That's actually pretty normal.

That wasn't your argument before. Your argument was, and I quote, "if they're not affliated [sic] with a nazi party they're not a nazi."  End of.

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What you're mad about is that i pointed out how AB-normal it would be to say that people who don't claim to be nazis are nazis  just because you don't like them. And this was spelled out for you.   And that is still correct.

And that's a shitty strawman argument. I didn't call anyone a Nazi just because I don't like them. I called them nazis because they believe the same or similar things as the Nazis, a view you were against before you were for it.

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Apparently the concept has lead to a bit of a brain melt down for you   

Yeah because it's a retarded argument from a retarded individual.

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I don't think this guy is a nsdap (nazi to everyone else) supporter because i don't like him.  I think he is because he constantly specifically speaks in favour of them and various policies and denies any wrongdoing on their part and associates his  beliefs with there's.  He's been given numerous opportunities to say otherwise, he doesn't.  So if he's going to identify as a supporter of 1938 nsdap then that's why i would refer to him as an nsdap supporter

Again, your argument was that it does not matter if someone is in favour of  the same policies as the Nazis or approves of what they did. Indeed, you explicitly rejected the idea of sharing Nazi ideology being sufficient to label someone a Nazi.

"if they're not affliated [sic] with a nazi party they're not a nazi." 

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Not complex. Go stand in the freezer till your brain isn't runny any more  

The backpedalling here is really something, you busted b!tch.