Canada should deport immigrants that illegally occupy, intimidate, and spout anti-Semitism

[Nationalist]

On 7/17/2024 at 12:55 PM, blackbird said:

These people should be deported.  All they are doing is increasing anti-Semitism in Canada and costing law enforcement and the country more money.  They are also making life unbearable for Jewish people and students who need to attend universities in Canada.  Nobody should have to put up with this.

As far as I'm concerned, ALL those "refugees" should be deported.

[I am Groot]

On 7/21/2024 at 8:37 PM, herbie said:

The people on the far left want to lock you up too, in re-education camps.
Those of us barely left of center know that's pointless. You're so far right you think that means 'correct'.

LOL. You gotta love the internet. Where you can be called a lefty and a nazi on the same site on different topics.

On 7/21/2024 at 8:37 PM, herbie said:

Trudeau the tool of corporate interests is far left cuz he occasionally stands up to them. And milquetoast Singh that occasionally stands up for the real left. Yuh gotcha.

Trudeau has pulled the already just left of centre Liberals so far to the Left you can't really tell them apart from the NDP. Then again, the NDP stopped caring about the working many years ago and are all in on identity politics, just like the Liberals.

Trudeau is a poseur, and I'm not sure he even has any political philosophy other than whatever the American progressive movement feels is fashionable at any given point in time.

The ultimate cringe moment of determined virtue signaling was when he left his cave in the middle of a covid lockdown to journey across town to an illegal BLM protest by other people desperate to imitate American progressives, then in the middle of the crowd, wearing a mask outside, with his bodyguards all around him, Mr Blackface-Bananacrotch 'took a knee'. 

[I am Groot]

On 7/21/2024 at 8:54 PM, eyeball said:

It's all really sad. Jews and Palestinians were both handed a shitty deal and it's up to those, including us, who had a hand in handing it to them to help fix it. Taking in refugees from the mess we helped create will be part of that.

Ahh, the white man's burden! Anything that goes wrong must be our fault! After all, the rest of them are too ignorant to know what to do! We're the only real humans! Right? No one not white has any real agency in their lives!

On 7/21/2024 at 8:54 PM, eyeball said:

Presumably we've progressed somewhat in the last 80 years or so since we last turned refugees away because we hated them -  especially now that we can see where the consequences can lead.

The Jews made something of what was handed them. The Arabs just continued worshiping their savage god and murdering everyone around them who disagreed on the interpretation of their holy books. 

[I am Groot]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:48 AM, eyeball said:

Perpetrated by Canadian institutions that we're still responsible for.

You mean the United Nations? Shouldn't the UN be responsible, then? Not us?

[I am Groot]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:10 PM, eyeball said:

There's been no progress whatsoever?

1924 was the pinnacle of human achievement? Seriously?

Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarism that lurks just below the surface. What happens to our society if the police all disappear? Anarchy. Mass murder and looting. Criminal gangs taking over.

[I am Groot]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:35 PM, eyeball said:

The other half aren't and now they have the 1st Black/Asian woman to consider voting for.

And I hope they do.
But let's face facts, she's a pathetic excuse for the top leader of the most powerful nation on Earth with over 330 million people. Then again, so were Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, and Reagan.

Our leaders tend to be small, venal people of little substance or integrity. Same thing in Canada. Same in the UK, France and most other democracies. 

 

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Ahh, the white man's burden! Anything that goes wrong must be our fault! After all, the rest of them are too ignorant to know what to do! We're the only real humans! Right? No one not white has any real agency in their lives!

This is just moral panic nonsense.

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Jews made something of what was handed them.

A mess for the most part.

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Arabs just continued worshiping their savage god and murdering everyone around them who disagreed on the interpretation of their holy books. 

🙄

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You mean the United Nations? Shouldn't the UN be responsible, then? Not us?

The UN is not responsible for Canada turning Jewish refugees away. The UN is responsible for The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and as a willing architect of that plan it would seem we also bear a disproportionate amount of responsibility for that as well.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarism that lurks just below the surface. What happens to our society if the police all disappear? Anarchy. Mass murder and looting. Criminal gangs taking over.

So civilization is an artificial construct that runs counter to human nature? Okay.  Why do conservatives have such a problem with humans trying to change their nature? It's what we do best as evidenced by our progress.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

And I hope they do.
But let's face facts, she's a pathetic excuse for the top leader of the most powerful nation on Earth with over 330 million people. Then again, so were Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, and Reagan.

Our leaders tend to be small, venal people of little substance or integrity. Same thing in Canada. Same in the UK, France and most other democracies. 

Yeah but look at what our governments and leaders have to work with. Great swaths of badly misinformed all to often morally panicked people. That goes for all governments everywhere

This is why I lean more towards constructive destruction these days. We need a good collective smack upside the head and maybe another 10000 years of social evolution.

[herbie]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Then again, the NDP stopped caring about the working many years ago and are all in on identity politics, just like the Liberals.

As someone who participates in politics a hell of a lot more than simply casting a vote ever 4 years or so, I will tell you'd love for others to believe that kind of shit.
The NDP has rushed towards the center so goddam far, about the only things it still cares about is the working person and social welfare improvements. Which it manages to accomplish without even being govt.

As for your "identity politics" no one can claim doing more on that meaningless catchphrase than the extreme right who've dragged the Tories into adopting it as their main party platform rather than actual issues.

[Legato]

On 7/21/2024 at 8:37 PM, herbie said:

Those of us barely left of center know that's pointless. You're so far right you think that means 'correct'.

 

Cmon Herbie you are so far left you'd need the Hubble to see the center.

[herbie]

The Hubble isn't strong enough, you'd need the James Webb to see the center and still think that's extreme left of you.

[I am Groot]

On 7/24/2024 at 4:57 PM, herbie said:

As for your "identity politics" no one can claim doing more on that meaningless catchphrase than the extreme right who've dragged the Tories into adopting it as their main party platform rather than actual issues.

Remind me again how Jagmeet Singh, the Rolex King got to be leader.

[I am Groot]

On 7/24/2024 at 1:38 PM, eyeball said:

So civilization is an artificial construct that runs counter to human nature? Okay.  Why do conservatives have such a problem with humans trying to change their nature? It's what we do best as evidenced by our progress.

Conservatives only have a problem with people denying their nature, denying human nature and pretending some system will work as long as no one gets greedy even though we KNOW someone will get greedy.

Liberals: "We'll give enough money for poor people to have a good life. But only take it if you need it!"

Everyone: "WE NEED IT!"

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Conservatives only have a problem with people denying their nature, denying human nature and pretending some system will work as long as no one gets greedy even though we KNOW someone will get greedy.

I know what to do about countering that but people, mostly conservatives, seem to have a real problem with subjecting their betters to the sort of transparency they subject ordinary people to.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Liberals: "We'll give enough money for poor people to have a good life. But only take it if you need it!"

And some of the people who get it, not just grumpy old conservative farts believe it's true. The recipients as it's better than the nothing at all they had before. the conservatives as they're stupid enough to believe you can have a good life on welfare.

Just as some believe you can only get places because of the colour of your skin, not because you're a better speaker and candidate.

[Army Guy]

On 7/24/2024 at 2:38 PM, eyeball said:

So civilization is an artificial construct that runs counter to human nature? Okay.  Why do conservatives have such a problem with humans trying to change their nature? It's what we do best as evidenced by our progress.

Humans are unable to change their nature....sure we have become smarter, we build better things we have more material things...and yet we still have famine, war, destruction which we are obsessed with...we solve most things with violence...it is our go to most of the time...fear of violence is the only thing that keeps us in check...take it away, and the strong prey on the weak...

You should go to a war zone and see how common law abiding people are turned into animals to feed their family's or survive...and that can happen anywhere including Canada in a blink of an eye...we are never that far off from being reverted back a couple thousand years....where life was worth almost nothing...

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

And some of the people who get it, not just grumpy old conservative farts believe it's true. The recipients as it's better than the nothing at all they had before. the conservatives as they're stupid enough to believe you can have a good life on welfare.

When I was a young man and addicted to gaming I'd have easily and gratefully dumped my crappy job so I could stay home and play video games. Sure, the money wouldn't be much, but my needs were few back then.

18 hours ago, herbie said:

Just as some believe you can only get places because of the colour of your skin, not because you're a better speaker and candidate.

Who are you talking about now? Harris? She's not a better speaker, not even a very good one, and not a very good candidate. She got no votes when running in the primaries that Biden won.

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

I know what to do about countering that but people, mostly conservatives, seem to have a real problem with subjecting their betters to the sort of transparency they subject ordinary people to.

Your weird idea that you can strap TV cameras and microphones to every politician and every one of their aides is just silly.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Humans are unable to change their nature.

What? Changing our nature is our most important evolutionary adaptation.

 

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

.we are never that far off from being reverted back a couple thousand years....where life was worth almost nothing...

Yup, life's a fickle thing alright, there's no guarantees.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Your weird idea that you can strap TV cameras and microphones to every politician and every one of their aides is just silly.

Of course it is. That's why we do it to cops.

In fact, lots of cops hate going thru their careers being so mistrusted. They like the way cameras and microphones dispel mistrust 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What? Changing our nature is our most important evolutionary adaptation.

 

Yup, life's a fickle thing alright, there's no guarantees.

What have we changed in our nature that we never had back 2000 years ago...where have we grown...it's an honest question...

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Of course it is. That's why we do it to cops.

In fact, lots of cops hate going thru their careers being so mistrusted. They like the way cameras and microphones dispel mistrust 

Sure they do they can turn them off when they want...or forget to down load them...etc etc...it is not a fail safe system...it's better than having nothing, but it is just optics to make you feel better...

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What have we changed in our nature that we never had back 2000 years ago...where have we grown...it's an honest question...

Universal human rights come to mind and they've probably taken that long to evolve.  Something more in the now and evidently emerging is our global consciousness due to greater individual and collective awareness of things happening on a global level. How events around the other side of the world can have nearly immediate effects on this side. It really started taking off with TV, communication, air travel and space exploration decades ago and nowadays we have this so-called overview effect experienced by astronauts.

And of course we never had this perspective on ourselves 2000 years ago.

 

I'm sure Michael will have something to say about how mass media has changed human societies. The message is the medium and all that.

How we use computers is changing how people think and can result in physical changes in people brains, which are getting bigger btw, by some 15% in the last century. It's not just our nature that's evolving.

But to be sure not all changes are necessarily 'good' thankfully evolution usually leaves the bad ones behind. lts like reality itself has a progressive bias baked-in to it.

Edited July 27, 2024 by eyeball

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Sure they do they can turn them off when they want...or forget to down load them...etc etc...it is not a fail safe system...it's better than having nothing, but it is just optics to make you feel better...

It could be much more though. Sure, let them turn them off if they like. Holes in their data will leave the impression they have something to hide. OTOH, those with a more intact record will benefit from greater trust which should translate into greater support.

Politicians have been competing with their trustworthiness forever. Using technology to validate their trustworthiness seems like a logical step in a natural progression.

Beats swearing on a stack of Bibles.