25 Democrats Refuse To Accept The Results of the Primaries

[gatomontes99]

Newsweek: "However, at least 25 U.S. House members on Tuesday were "preparing to call for Biden to step aside" if he "seems shaky in coming days," according to a Reuters report based on the comments of an anonymous Democratic House aide."

Isn't that weird. 25 democrats dont want to honor the results of the primaries, as chosen by their own supporters. Now, didn't they claim Republicans were worse than Hitler because they wouldn't accept the results of an election without knowing the circumstances?

[robosmith]

42 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Newsweek: "However, at least 25 U.S. House members on Tuesday were "preparing to call for Biden to step aside" if he "seems shaky in coming days," according to a Reuters report based on the comments of an anonymous Democratic House aide."

Isn't that weird. 25 democrats dont want to honor the results of the primaries, as chosen by their own supporters. Now, didn't they claim Republicans were worse than Hitler because they wouldn't accept the results of an election without knowing the circumstances?

^So many logical fallacies, so little time. LMAO

"call for Biden to step aside" is NOT "don't want to honor." 

Everyone knew "the circumstances" were BULLSHIT, cause Trump LOST 60+ legal and legitimate challenges. Duh

Also general vs primary are VERY different. Need I go one? LMAO

[Nationalist]

LOL...I am so enjoying watching these Demoncrats eat their own.

[Moonlight Graham]

The title of this thread is a lie.

Your own article says they're considering asking Biden to step down.  This is different than outright not accepting ballot results from the public.

What should disturb everyone more is the fact that the Democrats have been trying to convince everyone for a long time that Biden is mentally fit to serve when clearly he's not.  Suppressing or manipulating the truth from the public is anti-democratic.  I've even seen pro-Biden folks on message boards like this try to convince me that Trump has just as much or more cognitive decline than Biden, which has always been ridiculous.  Trump being an autocratic dictator isn't an excuse to make up lies about him either.

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The title of this thread is a lie.

Your own article says they're considering asking Biden to step down.  This is different than outright not accepting ballot results from the public.

At the same time, Biden's still the exact same guy that they carried through the nomination process over the past 3 months, and they had insider knowledge of his incapacitated state, not just the carefully cultivated lies that the general public was being fed, so the thread title actually is quite accurate.

If you compare it to the standard fare around here, it's basically 100%.

[gatomontes99]

Democrat response: "We are not doing the exact same thing we accuse you of that you aren't doing even though it is the exact same thing."

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

At the same time, Biden's still the exact same guy that they carried through the nomination process over the past 3 months, and they had insider knowledge of his incapacitated state, not just the carefully cultivated lies that the general public was being fed, so the thread title actually is quite accurate.

If you compare it to the standard fare around here, it's basically 100%.

Biden and Trump might be the 2 worst nominated candidates in my lifetime, maybe ever.  Frightening.

Edited July 4, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[WestCanMan]

45 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Biden and Trump might be the 2 worst nominated candidates in my lifetime, maybe ever.  Frightening.

I totally agreed with you that Trump was an awful candidate in 2016. I felt like the fact that it came down to him and Hillary was a black eye on democracy. 

Trump was a very good president though.

IMO Trump is the exact opposite of Obama:

1. Trump is crass and boorish at times, egotistical, he speaks a bit too freely and carelessly - even recklessly - but he actually puts all Americans first. He's not hawkish, but the strength of the military is important to him.
2. Obama is as smooth and calculated a talker as you'll ever see, but he is inherently an evil man. The rise of BLM and the sustained rioting and racial division all stemmed from Obama's quotes and false narratives. Then when Trump was president, Obama's wife was inciting rioting and racial division. 

[Moonlight Graham]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I totally agreed with you that Trump was an awful candidate in 2016. I felt like the fact that it came down to him and Hillary was a black eye on democracy. 

Trump was a very good president though.

IMO Trump is the exact opposite of Obama:

1. Trump is crass and boorish at times, egotistical, he speaks a bit too freely and carelessly - even recklessly - but he actually puts all Americans first. He's not hawkish, but the strength of the military is important to him.
2. Obama is as smooth and calculated a talker as you'll ever see, but he is inherently an evil man. The rise of BLM and the sustained rioting and racial division all stemmed from Obama's quotes and false narratives. Then when Trump was president, Obama's wife was inciting rioting and racial division. 

Trump's rhetoric is divisive and antagonistic, yes.  I actually agree with a bunch of his policies, or at least the intention behind them

The problem with him is the attempts to overturn the election results.  This goes well beyond any violence on Jan 6.  He pressured Pence to count a fake batch of electoral college ballots from 7 GOP-friendly states which would overturn the actual results and give him the victory, and he and his lawyers created this scheme knowing he lost.  He pressured GOP state officials in the 7 states to go along with the scheme.  And he convinced many of his supporters that the election was stolen via unproven voter fraud claims all the courts rejected.

Trump also tried pressuring the DOJ to lie and claim that widespread election fraud had occurred.  He's a con-man and far too dangerous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

Edited July 4, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Newsweek: "However, at least 25 U.S. House members on Tuesday were "preparing to call for Biden to step aside" if he "seems shaky in coming days," according to a Reuters report based on the comments of an anonymous Democratic House aide."

Isn't that weird. 25 democrats dont want to honor the results of the primaries, as chosen by their own supporters. Now, didn't they claim Republicans were worse than Hitler because they wouldn't accept the results of an election without knowing the circumstances?

Technically if he steps aside they are still honoring their people's wishes. It would just be a case where the medical situation has changed and he can't continue. It would be no different than if you got hit by a bus. A campaign bus in this particular case but you get the idea.

There are provisions for that. It was of course Foreseen that there might be a circumstance where a candidate or president was unable to continue for medical reasons.

Of course, good luck getting Biden to step aside on the basis that he's too old and befuddled to continue.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Trump's rhetoric is divisive and antagonistic, yes.  I actually agree with a bunch of his policies, or at least the intention behind them

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The problem with him is the attempts to overturn the election results.  This goes well beyond any violence on Jan 6.  He pressured Pence to count a fake batch of electoral college ballots from 7 GOP-friendly states which would overturn the actual results and give him the victory, and he and his lawyers created this scheme knowing he lost.  He pressured GOP state officials in the 7 states to go along with the scheme.  And he convinced many of his supporters that the election was stolen via unproven voter fraud claims all the courts rejected.

It's tough to say because the FBI's animosity towards Trump is well-documented and includes one felony conviction (but there should have been been many more), the J6 committee was the most partisan hit squad ever empanelled, and those ultra-partisan serial liars had total control over every shred of evidence gathered by anyone.

After all we learned about the dems lies and crimes from the Russian collusion investigation, how much sense did it make to give them total control of the J6 evidence and narrative? None: it's like trusting islamic state with the president's nuclear briefcase.

We now know that the J6 committee had ABC doctor footage for them, they added "riotous" sounds to video that came with no soundtrack (like videos from inside the building showing people milling about), the J6ers alone selected what videos were to be released and which ones would never see the light of day, they got rid of video depositions, they never even investigated the security failures that led to people getting in, and minor contributors were given harsh sentences while some key contributors to the rioting (like Epps) weren't prosecuted. (After about two years of people highlighting Epps's blatant crimes he was finally indicted on a minor charge, but got sentencing consistent with what you'd expect for a 'fall guy', like Kevin Clinesmith). 

If an investigation this sketchy and with such unlawful control over exculpatory evidence was conducted against the LGBTQ community or blacks it would all have been thrown out of court for obvious reasons, but it had so much backing from the MSM and FBI that it will all stand despite it's farcical nature.

 

You have to admit, it's pretty sketchy that the Dems and FBI ran a 3-yr show trial to try to prove that the 2016 election was illegitimate, and then their official party line regarding J6 is "EVERYONE IN THE USA KNEW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS 100% LEGITIMATE WITHIN 2 MONTHS!"

Which one is it: can you commit crimes to de-legitimize an election, like the FBI and Dems did jointly from 2017-2020, or can't you, as the Dems ironically contend regarding the 2020 election?

I honestly don't think that Trump should have been so contentious on Jan 6th, but I have no doubt whatsoever that the Dems cheated, given all their election cheating in 2016, their Russian collusion lies and crimes, and their fascination with enacting voter-fraud-friendly reforms like "no-ID voting" and mass-mailing unsolicited ballots.

[Fluffypants]

I can't believe they are doing this stuff in public, all this does is hurt Biden even more. If they end up being forced to stick with Biden the campaign ads write themselves.

[gatomontes99]

18 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Biden and Trump might be the 2 worst nominated candidates in my lifetime, maybe ever.  Frightening.

You should vote for the guy that allegedly eats dogs and gropes baby sitters.

[CdnFox]

18 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Biden and Trump might be the 2 worst nominated candidates in my lifetime, maybe ever.  Frightening.

yeah but they would make one hell of a sitcom. "The Golden Prez".  Too grumpy and wacky old men who are former presidents share an apartment in Georgia while trying to win popularity and learn a deeper respect for each other. Hilarity ensues

Trump:  "Dammit Joe, did you eat the chocolate i had out here??" 

Joe:  Well ha i ate someburlbubllemishmashhabanero. Might have been pudding. 

Trump: "Joe, that was my exlax!!!!" 

Joe: " Here's the deal, i'm not sure if my polling numbers are going down but something sure is!! "

[Moonlight Graham]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's tough to say because the FBI's animosity towards Trump is well-documented and includes one felony conviction (but there should have been been many more), the J6 committee was the most partisan hit squad ever empanelled, and those ultra-partisan serial liars had total control over every shred of evidence gathered by anyone.

States run by the GOP have been charging Trump White House lawyers etc with attempting to pressure lawmakers etc to create fake elector ballots for the Electoral College to overturn the election.  It's a scam, dude.  He's a conman. 

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I honestly don't think that Trump should have been so contentious on Jan 6th, but I have no doubt whatsoever that the Dems cheated, given all their election cheating in 2016, their Russian collusion lies and crimes, and their fascination with enacting voter-fraud-friendly reforms like "no-ID voting" and mass-mailing unsolicited ballots.

Why do you have no doubt if there's no evidence?  None.  All the courts in all the states where Trump and his lawyers tried to have results overturned said its all BS.  This is a conspiracy theory with no evidence.  You trust a politicians on his word alone?  Trump started rambling about fake mail-ins in August before the election.  He tried to sow doubt in people's mind and create a no-lose situation for himself.  If he has evidence then show it.  It's a scam.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

States run by the GOP have been charging Trump White House lawyers etc with attempting to pressure lawmakers etc to create fake elector ballots for the Electoral College to overturn the election.  It's a scam, dude.  He's a conman. 

Could you provide a cite for that? I don't mind following up on it. 

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Why do you have no doubt if there's no evidence?  None. 

1. For the same reason I wouldn't buy stocks through Bernie Madoff: the Dems are dyed-in-the-wool election cheaters.

They were caught cheating on debate questions with CNN, they were caught cheating Bernie in the 2016 primary, they were caught conspiring with the FBI on Russian collusion, the FBI was caught lying for them about the laptop, and it was FBI members who hatched the plan to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer which they solved as an October surprise. 

2. Because, like I said, the FBI would be in charge of finding that evidence and we both know that's like asking Eric and Don Jr to investigate Donald. I'd drop dead if the FBI caught the Dems doing anything right now. Biden could drive a tank through Fort Knox and the FBI wouldn't find the hole in the wall. 

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All the courts in all the states where Trump and his lawyers tried to have results overturned said its all BS.  This is a conspiracy theory with no evidence.  You trust a politicians on his word alone?  Trump started rambling about fake mail-ins in August before the election.  He tried to sow doubt in people's mind and create a no-lose situation for himself.  If he has evidence then show it.  It's a scam.

Didn't you find it odd when CNN confirmed the election was legitimate on election night, when Trump was winning? They just spent 4 years denying the 2016 election. I've never seen suck a skeptic become such a firm believer so quickly in all my life. It's reminiscent of when the indicted become born-again Christians during their trial.

[impartialobserver]

Saw a shirt at a minor league baseball game last night.. In short, it said that they will not accept the results at face value. Both sides squarely are in the sore loser camp. Whoever loses will come out swinging with all sorts of bogus claims, conspiracy theories, and lawsuits as starters. Who knows.. it may go further than just those three but only time will tell on those. It used to be that the wednesday after election season was a great day.. free of campaigns, politics, and such but as with all things that had to go away. 

[Vultar]

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Why do you have no doubt if there's no evidence?  None.  All the courts in all the states where Trump and his lawyers tried to have results overturned said its all BS.  This is a conspiracy theory with no evidence.  

There was plenty of evidence of wrongdoing in the 2020 election. However, any evidence that made it to the pubic was quickly scrubbed. I watched in real time as the records for the Michigan election from the official list site were changed after it was exposed that a number of dead people voted. 

Most of the courts dismissed cases due to made up technicalities (like standing and typos) and not for evidence which they refused to look at. 

In my opinion, the courts were simply afraid to weigh in on the matter (scared of the crazies).

The amount of cheating was massive and very multi-faceted (that way any exposed cheat would not be enough to change the results on it's own, but added together made for enough to change things greatly)

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Saw a shirt at a minor league baseball game last night.. In short, it said that they will not accept the results at face value. Both sides squarely are in the sore loser camp. Whoever loses will come out swinging with all sorts of bogus claims, conspiracy theories, and lawsuits as starters. Who knows.. it may go further than just those three but only time will tell on those. It used to be that the wednesday after election season was a great day.. free of campaigns, politics, and such but as with all things that had to go away. 

TBH, I don't think that's how this election plays out. 

I think the problem with this election for Republicans comes before the election, when Trump is removed from the ballot. 

If it happens at roughly the same time as Biden pulls out of the race, leftist leaders and their cultists can say "It's ok/fair/fine because now both parties are putting fwd a new candidate at the same time", but if it happens it could trigger real violence because a lot of Americans are still near the boiling point, on account of all the recent election cheating and skullduggery from the dems.

Dem/FBI/DOJ/MSM lies and crimes have been completely off the charts these past 8 years and the only real 'justice' was Kevin Clinesmith's felony conviction, which just resulted in fall-guy type sentencing: he got off Scot-free.

How many convicted felons do you know who get to keep their license to practice law and never spend a day in jail?

Look what happened to Flynn for merely saying words to the FBI, which turned out to not be inappropriate... He spent a lot of time in jail. Compare that to all the times the FBI lied to the FISA court, signed off on lies to the FISA court, and finally falsified evidence and provided it to the FISA court... Absolutely nothing happened after all those lies and crimes....

The unholy alliance between the Dems and their toadies at the FBI and in MSM is a huge threat to democracy. 

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

TBH, I don't think that's how this election plays out. 

I think the problem with this election for Republicans comes before the election, when Trump is removed from the ballot. 

If it happens at roughly the same time as Biden pulls out of the race, leftist leaders and their cultists can say "It's ok/fair/fine because now both parties are putting fwd a new candidate at the same time", but if it happens it could trigger real violence because a lot of Americans are still near the boiling point, on account of all the recent election cheating and skullduggery from the dems.

Dem/FBI/DOJ/MSM lies and crimes have been completely off the charts these past 8 years and the only real 'justice' was Kevin Clinesmith's felony conviction, which just resulted in fall-guy type sentencing: he got off Scot-free.

How many convicted felons do you know who get to keep their license to practice law and never spend a day in jail?

Look what happened to Flynn for merely saying words to the FBI, which turned out to not be inappropriate... He spent a lot of time in jail. Compare that to all the times the FBI lied to the FISA court, signed off on lies to the FISA court, and finally falsified evidence and provided it to the FISA court... Absolutely nothing happened after all those lies and crimes....

The unholy alliance between the Dems and their toadies at the FBI and in MSM is a huge threat to democracy. 

who knows.. you might be right. If neither candidate is on the ballot as of Nov. 6.. going to get weird. 

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

who knows.. you might be right. If neither candidate is on the ballot as of Nov. 6.. going to get weird. 

From Trump's candidacy up until covid things were weird, with the islamic state crap and all the collusion drama, but from the time that covid broke out up to right now, things have been downright awful. 

The instability of the US from all the covid drama, the BLM riots in 2020, the disastrous covid economy, J6, war in the ME, war in Europe, the rise in political and racial division, inflation, a new mistrust in science and medicine, the felony convictions of a presidential candidate, etc, etc...

Nothing within my living memory, from about the early '80s to now, comes even close to the dumpster-fire of the last 8 years, and Biden's dementia issue is just a small part of that. 

The last thing we need right now is crazy 2024 election drama. 

Edited July 5, 2024 by WestCanMan

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

From Trump's candidacy up until covid things were weird, with the islamic state crap and all the collusion drama, but from the time that covid broke out up to right now, things have been downright awful. 

The instability of the US from all the covid drama, the BLM riots in 2020, the disastrous covid economy, J6, war in the ME, war in Europe, the rise in political and racial division, inflation, a new mistrust in science and medicine, the felony convictions of a presidential candidate, etc, etc...

Nothing within my living memory, from about the early '80s to now, comes even close to the dumpster-fire of the last 8 years, and Biden's dementia issue is just a small part of that. 

The last thing we need right now is crazy 2024 election drama. 

Well said.. have nothing to add to this. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

From Trump's candidacy up until covid things were weird, with the islamic state crap and all the collusion drama, but from the time that covid broke out up to right now, things have been downright awful. 

The instability of the US from all the covid drama, the BLM riots in 2020, the disastrous covid economy, J6, war in the ME, war in Europe, the rise in political and racial division, inflation, a new mistrust in science and medicine, the felony convictions of a presidential candidate, etc, etc...

Nothing within my living memory, from about the early '80s to now, comes even close to the dumpster-fire of the last 8 years, and Biden's dementia issue is just a small part of that. 

The last thing we need right now is crazy 2024 election drama. 

Honestly, I feel it's been more of a progression. I feel like every election in the last 24 years in the states has further eroded the peoples respect for and trust in democracy and neither side believes in fair or free elections anymore. This is led to more and more civil pressure which has begun to spill over into civil unrest and I see that simply getting worse and worse as time moves forward unless there is a major reset in order to restore people's confidence.

Most of us think the fire starts when we see the first flame but in reality generally speaking things were probably heating up a long time before that got to that point.

[impartialobserver]

one aspect to this is that it is remarkably difficult to get the evidence. To get the micro level data.. you have to have proof of the crime (fraud). Well, you need the micro data in order to prove the crime. Its a catch 22 of sorts. I understand why they do not open up the voter rolls on a whim and why the burden of proof is so high. However, maybe it is time to alter this a bit. 

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Honestly, I feel it's been more of a progression. I feel like every election in the last 24 years in the states has further eroded the peoples respect for and trust in democracy and neither side believes in fair or free elections anymore. This is led to more and more civil pressure which has begun to spill over into civil unrest and I see that simply getting worse and worse as time moves forward unless there is a major reset in order to restore people's confidence.

Most of us think the fire starts when we see the first flame but in reality generally speaking things were probably heating up a long time before that got to that point.

I do recall the close election between Bush and Gore(?), and the animosity there, but I don't recall there being much doubt about Obama's election victories.

The only really controversial thing that I can recall from before that was the unusual circumstances surrounding G Ford becoming president despite not ever having been on a presidential ballot as VP before that. 

TBH though, I never really paid that much attention to the election process in the USA until all of the rioting from 2014-2017.