Oklahoma schools head Ryan Walters: Teachers who won't teach Bible could lose license

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Christian taliban dictatorship.

You're a lyin' simpleton that has no credibility. 

The Christian Taliban is an apt insult and the only simpleton with no credibility is you

 

Lets recap:  you actually follow and believe Kremlin controlled news sources and you actually posted kiddie porn on this forum that had been poorly photoshopped with Hunter Biden’s face believing it was real. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

I tell you sluts like it is at ALL times. That way there is no question in anyone's mind that you paint your hair green and scream at successful people all day. 

When's your next riot, f*ckface? 

Wow spoken like a true Christian LMAO!!!

I also highly doubt you're successful, you talk like a poorly educated person with a low paying job.  All the swearing and vulgarity, emotions and very little in terms of actual facts or arguments tou couldn’t possibly have gone far. Like so many MAGAs you seem to be someone who’s mad at the world due to your own lack of success. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Nice attempted deflection.

Nice use of Buzz words to try and cover up the fact you don't have an argument  

 

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This isn’t about teacher’s rights to decide the curriculum.

Of course it is.  That is precisely what was being discussed. 

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And particularly hilarious response coming from the party of perpetually outraged by sex education.

When have i ever said i'm against sex education?  But it does need to be age appropriate.  Apperently you support cartoon books showing full on unedited gay oral sex for grades one and up? That's when I objected.  (side note, i'm not for showing grade one kids hetero sex either). 

But of course if the facts don't suit you, lie about it   That's the dem mantra isn't it?
 

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This about the religious indoctrination being forced upon the public taxpaying citizens upon threat of government sanction, in a country where there is meant to be a separation of church and state, freedom of religion, an mo one religion meant to be placed above another. 

Then pull the gay flags and other "Ideology" based crap from school as well. 

You can't have one and claim the other is evil. It's that simple.

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It also yet another of the endless examples of heavy-handed micromanagement of granular local affairs by lawmakers in the far off state capital from the party which claims it abhors given and favours local decision-making

So vote in politicians who don't do that. 

But dont' come here and tell me it's wrong but defend having gay pride month celebrated in schools.  Sorry, but your hypocrisy is showing and it's not a good look. 

 

[impartialobserver]

Not that I needed yet another reason to not move there.. here is the nail in the coffin. I know that will lure in some and that is fine. 

[Deluge]

42 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Wow spoken like a true Christian LMAO!!!

I also highly doubt you're successful, you talk like a poorly educated person with a low paying job.  All the swearing and vulgarity, emotions and very little in terms of actual facts or arguments tou couldn’t possibly have gone far. Like so many MAGAs you seem to be someone who’s mad at the world due to your own lack of success. 

Your idea of facts is whatever other woketards spew; you're your own most useable sources. lol

Now, let's try this: Why don't you give a compelling argument as to why Christian bibles should NOT be in schools? 

 

Oh, and yes, I am pissed off, but it's not for lack of success; it's because the country is in decline and people like you are the cause. 

See, you're a human being, but you're the lowest form of human being that there is, and that makes it tough for a good American like me to be civil. But, with patience on both our parts, I will rub your face in all your filth and we'll both come out better for it.  

 

Edited July 2, 2024 by Deluge

[gatomontes99]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

The teachers should organize civil disobedience and as many as possible refuse to teach the contents of the bible.

History of religions is always acceptable, but picking out only one for special attention is unConstitutional.

If  60% of the teachers refuse the mandate, they can't fire them all, and they all have to agree to resign if only a few are singled out to make an example. If they band together, they have the POWER.

Holly crap dude. Read the article. They arent teaching the Bible. They are teaching the Bible's influence on our nation's founding.

[herbie]

Here's my arrogant elitist response:
If you don't agree Bible shit should be kept out of public schools, YOU are the oddball, the 60+ years out of step from western secular society weirdo.

[BeaverFever]

58 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Your idea of facts is whatever other woketards spew; you're your own most useable sources. lol

Now, let's try this: Why don't you give a compelling argument as to why Christian bibles should NOT be in schools? 

 

Oh, and yes, I am pissed off, but it's not for lack of success; it's because the country is in decline and people like you are the cause. 

See, you're a human being, but you're the lowest form of human being that there is, and that makes it tough for a good American like me to be civil. But, with patience on both our parts, I will rub your face in all your filth and we'll both come out better for it.  

 

Lol you’re the bottom of the society’s barrel and you know it. I bet if most people took one look at how you live they’d be disgusted. 
 

You ask to give one reason why “bibles shouldn’t be in schools” but you miss the plot as usual.  
 

You should give one reason why the government lawmakers should force ever teacher in the land to teach the bible under threat of legal sanctions from the state   Party of freedom and local decision making my ass.  You’re the Christian Taliban. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Of course it is.  That is precisely what was being discussed. 

No it about lawmakers compelling religious instruction 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

When have i ever said i'm against sex education? 

Republicans and conservatives generally are.  And they spread completely false bullshit lies like:

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

cartoon books showing full on unedited gay oral sex for grades one and up

Cite please. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Then pull the gay flags and other "Ideology" based crap from school as well. 

You can't have one and claim the other is evil. It's that simple.

Those aren’t the same thing at all. Pride is about teaching tolerance for minority groups like LGBTQ and bible thumping is about teaching intolerance for minority groups who are non-Christian. 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

But dont' come here and tell me it's wrong but defend having gay pride month celebrated in schools.  Sorry, but your hypocrisy is showing and it's not a good look. 

As per my above comment. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No it about lawmakers compelling religious instruction 

Sorry kiddo but you brought the teachers into it and my reply addressed that specifically.  So yeah, it was. 

I understand that you don't have anywhere to go with that argument now so you'd like to change it, which is fine, but at least be a bit of a man about it and just concede the point and move on  

 

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Republicans and conservatives generally are.  And they spread completely false bullshit lies like:

Says who? Which poll says that republicans don't believe in sex ed at all? Where are you seeing this? 

Here  let me save you some time

Both Democrat and Republican Likely Voters Strongly Support Sex Education in Schools | Rutgers University:

Now you look like a jackass who just makes crap up.  Republicans have ALWAYS supported age appropriate sex ed for teens.  Just not indoctrination or grooming for children. 

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Cite please. 

I did a whole thread on this, went on for quite a while, even showed specific pictures from the book of one of the characters giving his 'friend' a blowjob and "exploring" other "fun" things.  And citing its inclusion in elementary school libraries. 

I"m not redoing threads just because you can't be bothered to learn simple truths' for yourself  Mr "conservatives don't believe in sex ed". 
 

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Those aren’t the same thing at all. Pride is about teaching tolerance for minority groups like LGBTQ and bible thumping is about teaching intolerance for minority groups who are non-Christian. 

 

They are entirely the same thing. If you want to preach that gays must be accepted and embraced then you can't get mad that someone wants to preach  that god has an issue with it.  BOTH are questions of morality and society, they are NOT 'education' per se. 
So it's either both or none. IT's as simple as that. ARE we teaching about morality and acceptable societal norms and beliefs in school? Or not? If we are then you take both, If not then neither. 

Sorry kiddo -  your hypocrisy is catching up with you. 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

You should give one reason why the government lawmakers should force ever teacher in the land to teach the bible under threat of legal sanctions from the state   Party of freedom and local decision making my ass.  You’re the Christian Taliban. 

Stop crying. 

Schools have been peppered with left-wing bullshit for so long, that half the country isn't even sure what gender it is. 

Bible instruction in schools will be one of the chief ways through this dystopian nightmare, and I 100% support the mandates. The days of unfettered rainbow cultism is OVER. It's time to get back to traditional education. 

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Here's my arrogant elitist response:
If you don't agree Bible shit should be kept out of public schools, YOU are the oddball, the 60+ years out of step from western secular society weirdo.

But illustrated gay porn is just fine?

BTW, this doesn't have anything to do with teaching the Bible.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Stop crying. 

Schools have been peppered with left-wing bullshit for so long, that half the country isn't even sure what gender it is. 

Bible instruction in schools will be one of the chief ways through this dystopian nightmare, and I 100% support the mandates. The days of unfettered rainbow cultism is OVER. It's time to get back to traditional education. 

While I'm not disagreeing with what you said, I think you missed the very obvious answer to his question. He asked why teachers should be forced to teach things.  The fact that that's a question shows how far off base teachers have become in our world

The teacher should be forced to teach the curriculum because that's what teachers are hired to do. That's their whole job. If they don't want to do their job then they should quit.

It is not the job of the teacher to set the curriculum. That is someone else's job. If a teacher doesn't like the curriculum they should take it up with the people whose job it is to make the curriculum. Same as any other person.

Can you imagine if a construction worker said"I don't really agree with this building going here, so I'm not going to actually build anything. I'd still like to get paid though."

 

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Sorry, dumbass, the bible embodies the substance of the church.

Christianity may be cool, but NOT when it is forced on ANYONE by the government. Duh

^PROJECTION

Really? You wanna go with Christian taliban dictatorship then eh?

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

While I'm not disagreeing with what you said, I think you missed the very obvious answer to his question. He asked why teachers should be forced to teach things.  The fact that that's a question shows how far off base teachers have become in our world

The teacher should be forced to teach the curriculum because that's what teachers are hired to do. That's their whole job. If they don't want to do their job then they should quit.

It is not the job of the teacher to set the curriculum. That is someone else's job. If a teacher doesn't like the curriculum they should take it up with the people whose job it is to make the curriculum. Same as any other person.

Can you imagine if a construction worker said"I don't really agree with this building going here, so I'm not going to actually build anything. I'd still like to get paid though."

You're right, that is the very obvious answer. In fact it is so obvious, that only a dishonest a$$hole like BeaverFever could ask such a stupid question. 

[herbie]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

But illustrated gay porn is just fine?

Nice answer

.....but whatabout whatabout whatabout even if whatabout has nothing whatsoever to do about it.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

Nice answer

.....but whatabout whatabout whatabout even if whatabout has nothing whatsoever to do about it.

Of course it does. That's why you don't want to talk about it.

And it's not What aboutism. Is simply if then then this. If it's okay to promote gay ideology and morality in a school setting then it is perfectly okay to spread christian morality and ideology in a school setting.

You have to remember most people have a functional brain, not a liberal one. While it might make perfect sense to you to deny one and not the other even though they are the same thing, most people that don't have that kind of brain damage won't see it that way.

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

Bible instruction in schools will be one of the chief ways through this dystopian nightmare, and I 100% support the mandates.

😂😂

Yeah sure it will Christian Taliban. Bible thumping is the answer!  The kids live it!  
 

“Christianity is cool you f-cking slut!” You should put that on a T shirt and wear it next time you’re picking up a hooker 

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Deluge said:

Wrong, dumbass. The Bible embodies the word of God. If it's placed in schools then that's a good thing.

Get over your satanic hate. 

Get over you pretense that you are all knowing about religion, cause you are just a PARROT.

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Wow spoken like a true Christian LMAO!!!

I also highly doubt you're successful, you talk like a poorly educated person with a low paying job.  All the swearing and vulgarity, emotions and very little in terms of actual facts or arguments tou couldn’t possibly have gone far. Like so many MAGAs you seem to be someone who’s mad at the world due to your own lack of success. 

I can't believe that Trump is paying him very well to spend 24/7 here spouting MAGA CULT propaganda.

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Not that I needed yet another reason to not move there.. here is the nail in the coffin. I know that will lure in some and that is fine. 

Involvement of government in religion should not be accepted anywhere because that will allow it to spread everywhere.

8 hours ago, Deluge said:

Your idea of facts is whatever other woketards spew; you're your own most useable sources. lol

Now, let's try this: Why don't you give a compelling argument as to why Christian bibles should NOT be in schools? 

 

Oh, and yes, I am pissed off, but it's not for lack of success; it's because the country is in decline and people like you are the cause. 

See, you're a human being, but you're the lowest form of human being that there is, and that makes it tough for a good American like me to be civil. But, with patience on both our parts, I will rub your face in all your filth and we'll both come out better for it.  

 

What makes it tough for you  to be civil is your Dunning Kruger belief in your infallibility, just because you've drunk the Koolaid.

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Holly crap dude. Read the article. They arent teaching the Bible. They are teaching the Bible's influence on our nation's founding.

You really are naive. There are many other influences on the founding which are probably more important given that most of the FF were not Christians.

The point is concentrating ONLY on one is NOT ALLOWED by the Constitution.

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kiddo but you brought the teachers into it and my reply addressed that specifically.  So yeah, it was. 

I understand that you don't have anywhere to go with that argument now so you'd like to change it, which is fine, but at least be a bit of a man about it and just concede the point and move on  

Nice try this thread is about the absurdity of the law and what’s being prescribed not about teachers right in the classroom. This theory would not exist if it was about teachers being forced to teach some new math method 

Hilarious that you think people objecting to compulsory bible instruction in public school have no argument and nowhere to go as if it’s some routine non/controversial topic in a secular democracy 

 

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Says who? Which poll says that republicans don't believe in sex ed at all? Where are you seeing this? 

Here  let me save you some time

Both Democrat and Republican Likely Voters Strongly Support Sex Education in Schools | Rutgers University:

Now you look like a jackass who just makes crap up.  Republicans have ALWAYS supported age appropriate sex ed for teens.  Just not indoctrination or grooming for children. 

Republicans gin up phoney sex ed hysteria about grooming children all the time. Some CLAIM they’re for “reasonable” sex ed but in practice denounce everything as grooming. They do it here in Canada too. 
 

Republicans Declare War on Sex Education

 

Republican lawmakers in several states are seeking to impose dramatic restrictions on sex education amid an ongoing culture war over the teaching of topics like contraception and gender identity in public schools.

In Texas, a school superintendent in Fort Worth recently abandoned the district's proposed $2.6 million adoption of a sexual education curriculum after the state's Republican-led Legislature passed legislation in 2021 requiring a parent's written consent for their children to receive sex education.

In neighboring Oklahoma, Republican lawmakers filed numerous bills this session looking to impose or otherwise expand on existing restrictions of certain expressions of gender identity and blocking teachers from teaching subjects like sex ed, with some seeking to outlaw a state-funded sex education initiative started in 2020 to address high teen birth rates in various hotspots around the state.

And in Florida, Broward County school officials already find themselves modifying their sexual education curriculum as a direct result of 2022's so-called Don't Say Gay bill, duplicates of which have recently emerged in states like Wyoming and Indiana.

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https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-declare-war-sex-education-seek-restrictions-public-schools-1777650

 

Lack of sex education in GOP states puts students at risk
 

…According to an Associated Press article, GOP-led states are at risk of losing sex education curricula in their schools. This idea was amplified after the emergence of the “parents’ rights” movement, whose main concern is dismantling inclusive LGBTQ+ sex education. Republican leaders and parents are trying to ensure that it is the parents’ choice to allow their children to take part in any sex education. 

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GOP-led states are especially at higher risk; out of the top 10 states with the highest rate of STDs, eight are Republican-controlled states….

https://sbstatesman.com/125855/opinions/lack-of-sex-education-in-gop-states-puts-students-at-risk/

 

Some GOP-led states are chipping away at sex education in K-12 schools

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“You were never going to teach a first grader a trigonometry lesson, right?” she said. “But they have to have foundational knowledge in first grade to be able to get to that in high school.”

“Sex education is exactly the same,” Macklin continued, suggesting young people aren’t prepared for puberty if they haven’t already learned “foundational things like correct terminology for body parts.”

Puberty for girls begins between ages 8 to 13 and typically two years later for boys. To comply with the new law in Kentucky, for example, the state’s education agency advised schools eliminate fifth-grade lessons on puberty and reproductive body parts.

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https://apnews.com/article/sex-education-us-laws-kentucky-florida-mississippi-bd6fffcb3a9a25babc32a143001f4ae1

And on and on it goes 

 

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I did a whole thread on this, went on for quite a while, even showed specific pictures from the book of one of the characters giving his 'friend' a blowjob and "exploring" other "fun" things.  And citing its inclusion in elementary school libraries. 

Cite here or its bullshit  If you don’t want to dig through the forum, do a google search for the source of this highly dubious claim  Don’t forget the part where you said the book was for first graders, which is DEFINITELY bullshit

 

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They are entirely the same thing. If you want to preach that gays must be accepted and embraced then you can't get mad that someone wants to preach  that god has an issue with it. 

I disagree. Do you think that if you want to teach that black people must he accepted then you can’t get mad that someone wants to preach that god has an issue with that?  
 

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So it's either both or none. IT's as simple as that. ARE we teaching about morality and acceptable societal norms and beliefs in school? Or not? If we are then you take both, If not then neither. 

Sorry kiddo -  your hypocrisy is catching up with you. 

Wrong again.  Civil rights,  tolerance and equality are not religious beliefs  They are core concepts of our secular democracy and have played just as much if not more of a role than Christianity in shaping our nation of immigrants  Pride is just another manifestation of that

Second of all you completely fail to address the elephant in the room that this order requires teachers to elevate Christianity above other religions even though many teachers and students may be Jewish or some other religions, which again violates the principle of separation of church and state and teaching Christian supremacy is harmful to those kids who belong to a different religion  

Lastly you fail to understand that there’s a difference between:

- teaching students about all the various cultures, religions and beliefs, including LGBTQ in healthy ways, which is what already happens in the sane parts of the world, and

- this edict, which is about promoting and proselytizing only one specific religion and belief system above all other religions 

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Really? You wanna go with Christian taliban dictatorship then eh?

State religion is the same everywhere, and not allowed by OUR Constitution.

Have you ever read the US Constitution?

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Nice try

 

There it is again   Guess that means you already know i won  

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this thread is about the absurdity of the law and what’s being prescribed not about teachers right in the classroom.

This thread and all threads are about whatever we want to talk about. And you were the one that brought up teachers.

When you get frustrated you wind up looking like a Fool. This is an example. You need to learn to calm down and think about things rationally. It is stupid to claim that in a thread where you brought something up we weren't talking about the thing that you brought up

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Republicans gin up phoney sex ed hysteria about grooming children all the time. Some CLAIM they’re for “reasonable” sex ed but in practice denounce everything as grooming. They do it here in Canada too. 

Nope. In both places they have always been staunchly behind age appropriate sex education.

 

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In Texas, a school superintendent in Fort Worth recently abandoned the district's proposed $2.6 million adoption of a sexual education curriculum after the state's Republican-led Legislature passed legislation in 2021 requiring a parent's written consent for their children to receive sex education.

So, fully support it as long as the parents are involved and can sign off on it being appropriate. That would be strike one

 

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This idea was amplified after the emergence of the “parents’ rights” movement, whose main concern is dismantling inclusive LGBTQ+ sex education. Republican leaders and parents are trying to ensure that it is the parents’ choice to allow their children to take part in any sex education. 

Also perfectly fine with actual sex education, just not interested in Gay propaganda and again, wants the parents to make the final decision about whether or not what's being taught is appropriate.

That would be strike too.

 

 

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“Sex education is exactly the same,” Macklin continued, suggesting young people aren’t prepared for puberty if they haven’t already learned “foundational things like correct terminology for body parts.”

Age inappropriate. Under the guise of the premise that sex is about as difficult as trigonometry interestingly enough. She must have had one hell of a math class

Strike three kiddo. Yer out

 

I have already posted all my proofs. The fact that you're too lazy is of no interest to me. You're dishonest about the subject in the first place. As I've just shown you provided examples that absolutely do not support your point.

I on the other hand provided proof that republicans do support sex education and always have.

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Hilarious that you think people objecting to compulsory bible instruction in public school have no argument and nowhere to go as if it’s some routine non/controversial topic in a secular democracy 

I think you misspelled 'hysterical'. which is what you're becoming. 

Pay attention. I"ll explain it slowly again. 

It's not about having a problem with the bible or black people etc. 

It's that if you're going to teach ideology in school you have to allow for all ideology.  IF you're not, then you can't for any of it.

That's pretty simple. If you can't understand an argument that simple good luck with sex ed OR trigonometry. 

 

Kid, if all you're bringing to the table is lies and bullshit then don't get angry when people look at you and dismiss you as being a complete tard. Republicans and conservatives in general and in fact the vast majority of people one way or another support the idea of sex education in schools provided it's age appropriate and addresses sex and not ideology.

And nobody anywhere is buying the idea that elementary school children need to be taught sex education because it's so difficult that just like trigonometry they won't figure it out if they don't spend years studying it. I can't think of another example somebody saying something that stupid off the top of my head. And I watched Biden in the debate.

 

Fail across the board kid. And it's pretty obvious from your commentary and your beginning that you are aware of that. Republicans support sex ed. You can have gender ideology in schools, but then you have to allow other ideologies such as religion. If you don't want to have one then you have to say no to the other. Otherwise you invite someday someone turning around and doing the reverse and putting in only religious stuff and banning all aspects of gay or other ideology that you might approve of.

Edited July 3, 2024 by CdnFox

[gatomontes99]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

You really are naive. There are many other influences on the founding which are probably more important given that most of the FF were not Christians.

The point is concentrating ONLY on one is NOT ALLOWED by the Constitution.

That's not what they are doing. It is not just the Bible's influence they are teaching. But they are saying it has to be taught.