Ban importation of overseas EVs as security risk

[blackbird]

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“These cars, particularly the ones that are equipped with self-driving capabilities or smart features, have microphones and cameras. They are rolling spy vans,” said David Shipley, the CEO of Beauceron Security, a New Brunswick-based cybersecurity firm.

Shipley says massive data collection is one of several potential threats. He warns that EVs and other smart vehicles could also be manipulated by bad actors."

‘Rolling spy vans’? Canada weighs possible security threat of Chinese EVs (msn.com)

This raises a lot of questions.  What about computers or Smart phones or other technology made in China?

Edited June 26, 2024 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

This raises a lot of questions.  What about computers or Smart phones or other technology made in China?

I would wonder how much of this is real.

 

As for computers you may have heard of the Huawei matter?  🤔

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I would wonder how much of this is real.

 

As for computers you may have heard of the Huawei matter?  🤔

Yes, I know about the Huawei matter.  I think they have been banned because of the risks associated with a telecom company from China.  The other countries in the Five Eyes banned them long before Canada.  I still don't understand why it took years for Canada to do the same.  Could it be because of foreign interference in Canada?  If you consider that computers, smart phones, and other things are manufactured in China, what are the possibilities that they could be used for nefarious purposes?

Edited June 26, 2024 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

Just now, blackbird said:

Yes, I know about the Huawei matter.  I think they have been banned because of the risks associated with a telecom company from China.  If you consider that computers, smart phones, and other things manufactured in China, what are the possibilities that they could be used for nefarious purposes?

The possibility is real, but not directly. Most of them are relatively simplistic devices. The concern has always been that back doors could be built that only the Chinese know about which would allow people's security to be broken in the future. But to be honest that's something they watch for and if it was exploited a lot of people would tend to notice fairly quickly. But it is one of the reasons why most military chips don't come from china

[blackbird]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I would wonder how much of this is real.

 

As for computers you may have heard of the Huawei matter?  🤔

Actually we know foreign entities do hack into computers and networks now.  Sometimes for ransom payments.  It is not unreasonable to believe it is commonly being done to gather intelligence and technology.  How secure are government and industry computer networks now?

[herbie]

As a security risk... says the man posting from his Windows PC.....

[Moonlight Graham]

All Chinese-made technology products (hardware or software) that can connect to the internet or a network (satellites etc) should be banned from the country.  This includes any EVs with such capabilities.

The West probably should have never traded so much with the country in the first place.

[Michael Hardner]

49 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The West probably should have never traded so much with the country in the first place.

They never got it...

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

Could it be because of foreign interference in Canada? 

Sure, but especially because of how easy it is to interfere when lobbying and influencing our politicians - no one is interested in keeping an eye on them you see.

You do see that right?  But of course not, you're another one of these people who whine about the scarcity of transparency in our governance while defending it's abundance of secrecy. 

Can you at least see the irony?

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

They never got it...

What do you mean?

[Moonlight Graham]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, but especially because of how easy it is to interfere when lobbying and influencing our politicians - no one is interested in keeping an eye on them you see.

You do see that right?  But of course not, you're another one of these people who whine about the scarcity of transparency in our governance while defending it's abundance of secrecy. 

Can you at least see the irony?

Politicians have been able to be influenced by the highest bidder in the US and Canada probably since forever.  In the US its just more open and home to much more powerful corporations who have access to much more powerful politicians.  The difference now is that the highest bidder is now more frequently becoming nefarious countries like China and India etc.

I think our government has generally become more apathetic too.  When you have it pretty good for so long people put their guard down and lose their reasons to care.  The state of our military is a good example.

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You're not making sense.

I never whined about transparency.  Do you have any proof?

You seemed quite defensive towards politicians when we talked about using cameras and microphones to facilitate better transparency.

37 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Foreign interference can happen in an endless number of ways.  

If that were true partisans wouldn't have any objection to the public being present when their representatives are meeting with paid influencers.

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Politicians have been able to be influenced by the highest bidder in the US and Canada probably since forever. 

Only because they've been enabled to. And apparently they can look forward to being afforded the same opportunities, probably till forever, if the apathy towards transparency around here is anything to go by.

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Only because they've been enabled to. And apparently they can look forward to being afforded the same opportunities, probably till forever, if the apathy towards transparency around here is anything to go by.

If any of them had any honour they'd donate their pension to the Royal Canadian Legion or something.

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

What do you mean?

They thought that they were going to beat the West.  They didn't realize that it was going to require actual cooperation.

[Guest]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

have microphones and cameras. They are rolling spy

So do your cellphones. So do your laptops. Have a dashcam? GPS?

Smart TVs can even have such capabilities.

I think this has more to do with fear mongering, in order to stall the Chinese takeover regarding EVs.

This would be crippling to the big players who rely on the monopoly they have enjoyed.

To have someone come in and sell something better at a lesser price, would force those monopolies to rapidly soul search.

[Guest]

Notice nobody gives a s**t about brands like Xiaomi. 

But Huawei's flagship phones are a massive threat to Apple and Samsung and would egads....force both to get back to the drawing board, in order to remain competitive.

Maybe its just a coincidence. But when brands start to become a threat regarding competition, they seem to become a threat regarding security. Uncanny.

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

 

But Huawei's flagship phones are a massive threat to Apple and Samsung and would egads....force both to get back to the drawing board, in order to remain competitive.

Apple can't compete without manufacturing in China it seems.

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Apple can't compete without manufacturing in China it seems.

Foxconn which builds Apples phones in China, had suicide issues from factory workers, which brought international attention to the practices in the name of maximizing profits by building phones as cheap as possible.

So they put nets outside windows, as an incredibly depressing solution. 

Suicides went down dramatically, and all is well. 

I always giggled at people telling me about say, am EV, while using and even endorsing Apple products.

Kind of like a mobster hitman, that happens to garden and offer his time to orphanages. It sounds better on paper.

Completely irrelevant to the point you were making, may I add.

But to get back to it, this has nothing to do with safety, and only has to do with competition. 

Companies like Apple and Facebook invest heavily in lobbying for a reason.

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

You seemed quite defensive towards politicians when we talked about using cameras and microphones to facilitate better transparency.

Of course because that idea is bizarre.  It is violation of personal freedom and like something out of a totalitarian system, like Orwells' 1984.   You have it in your head that it's ok for Big Brother to spy on everyone's personal conversations.  Maybe have a camera in every home and watch and listen to everything everyone says would please you. 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

So do your cellphones. So do your laptops. Have a dashcam? GPS?

Smart TVs can even have such capabilities.

I think this has more to do with fear mongering, in order to stall the Chinese takeover regarding EVs.

This would be crippling to the big players who rely on the monopoly they have enjoyed.

To have someone come in and sell something better at a lesser price, would force those monopolies to rapidly soul search.

Communist China is a threat in every way possible.  They are not just another trading partner.

Most politicians never understood this.  Pierre Trudeau was sucked by the Communists back in 1970.  Canada never learned much since then.

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure, but especially because of how easy it is to interfere when lobbying and influencing our politicians - no one is interested in keeping an eye on them you see.

You do see that right?  But of course not, you're another one of these people who whine about the scarcity of transparency in our governance while defending it's abundance of secrecy. 

Can you at least see the irony?

You simply don't understand what we're talking about.  You don't solve the problem of foreign interference by taking away everyone's freedom in Canada to speak to their MPs.  You would be playing right into Communist China's hands.  They are an authoritarian country and want us to be too.

  We are not China.  We have to do things differently from Communist China.

 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

So do your cellphones. So do your laptops. Have a dashcam? GPS?

Smart TVs can even have such capabilities.

I think this has more to do with fear mongering, in order to stall the Chinese takeover regarding EVs.

This would be crippling to the big players who rely on the monopoly they have enjoyed.

To have someone come in and sell something better at a lesser price, would force those monopolies to rapidly soul search.

If China is allowed to take over the EV business, that would put Canadian EV manufacturers out of business.

Secondly, they could easily use EVs to spy on Canadians.

Thirdly, the quality of the EVs might be very poor.

Fourthly, the EVs could be controlled remotely and be shut down.

Edited June 27, 2024 by blackbird

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You have it in your head that it's ok for Big Brother to spy on everyone's personal conversations.

Not at all. I think the public should be allowed to be present during conversations public officials have concerning the public's business.

You apparently believe the public has no business knowing it's business.

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You don't solve the problem of foreign interference by taking away everyone's freedom in Canada to speak to their MPs.

I agree.

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

So do your cellphones. So do your laptops. Have a dashcam? GPS?

Smart TVs can even have such capabilities.

I think this has more to do with fear mongering, in order to stall the Chinese takeover regarding EVs.

This would be crippling to the big players who rely on the monopoly they have enjoyed.

To have someone come in and sell something better at a lesser price, would force those monopolies to rapidly soul search.

Wonder how much stolen IP is invoiced in their EVs.  Then sold back to us at a cheaper price because no R&D costs.