Another Woman Murdered by Illegal Immigrant

[User]

This issue alone should be enough for Trump to win on. 

He can hide in his basement and just flood the airwaves with pictures of her and Laken Riley. Enough of this madness. We need to secure the border and stop having the Border Patrol act like escorts, just letting everyone in on claims of asylum, unable to patrol the border for criminals like this. We need to be punishing people who repeatedly illegally enter. 

Illegal immigrant suspected in Rachel Morin murder entered US as gotaway after being released 3 times: ICE

https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immigrant-suspected-rachel-morin-murder-entered-us-gotaway-after-being-released-3-times-ice

"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) confirmed to Fox New's Bill Melugin that the illegal immigrant who allegedly murdered Rachel Morin, a mother of five from Maryland, had entered the U.S. as a "gotaway."

 

 

 

[Hodad]

16 minutes ago, User said:

This issue alone should be enough for Trump to win on. 

He can hide in his basement and just flood the airwaves with pictures of her and Laken Riley. Enough of this madness. We need to secure the border and stop having the Border Patrol act like escorts, just letting everyone in on claims of asylum, unable to patrol the border for criminals like this. We need to be punishing people who repeatedly illegally enter. 

Illegal immigrant suspected in Rachel Morin murder entered US as gotaway after being released 3 times: ICE

https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immigrant-suspected-rachel-morin-murder-entered-us-gotaway-after-being-released-3-times-ice

"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) confirmed to Fox New's Bill Melugin that the illegal immigrant who allegedly murdered Rachel Morin, a mother of five from Maryland, had entered the U.S. as a "gotaway."

 

 

 

Run on this issue? I don't think you understand this issue. This is not an undocumented immigrant who was released into the US. Ir really has nothing to do with immigration policy. Simply someone who eventually managed to evade capture on 1 out of 4 tries.

But I don't expect the facts will deter Republicans from cynically exploiting this family's loss.

Edited June 21 by Hodad

[User]

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Run on this issue? I don't think you understand this issue. This is not an undocumented immigrant who was released into the US. Ir really has nothing to do with immigration policy. Simply someone who eventually managed to evade capture on 1 out of 4 tries.

But I don't expect the facts will deter Republicans from cynically exploiting this family's loss.

I understand this issue better than you it seems. 

The Border Patrol is bogged down on processing people at the entry points who are flooding our country on claims of asylum. 

That = less patrols = less captures = less deterrence for illegal entry 

I clearly called out we need to punish folks for repeated violations. He was captured 3 times. There are punishments which include prison time for repeated violations. 

I guess the Biden DOJ is too busy trying to send people to prison for a few months because they were wandering around on January 6th than to send repeat illegal immigrants to prison. 

I also included Laken Riley, whose murderer was let go by the Biden Administration into the country... 

These are just a couple of examples among the numerous instances of violent rape, murder, and other illegal activity like DUI's killing people by illegal immigrants. 

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, User said:

I also included Laken Riley, whose murderer was let go by the Biden Administration into the country... 

You're LYING.

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Ibarra was arrested on Feb. 23 and initially charged with malice murder, felony murder, aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, hindering a 911 call and concealing the death of another. He was denied bond and is being held at the Clarke County Jail.

Are you trying to say he was released pending his ASYLUM CLAIM?

That was BEFORE he was a MURDERER. Duh

[Deluge]

50 minutes ago, User said:

This issue alone should be enough for Trump to win on. 

He can hide in his basement and just flood the airwaves with pictures of her and Laken Riley. Enough of this madness. We need to secure the border and stop having the Border Patrol act like escorts, just letting everyone in on claims of asylum, unable to patrol the border for criminals like this. We need to be punishing people who repeatedly illegally enter. 

Illegal immigrant suspected in Rachel Morin murder entered US as gotaway after being released 3 times: ICE

https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immigrant-suspected-rachel-morin-murder-entered-us-gotaway-after-being-released-3-times-ice

"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) confirmed to Fox New's Bill Melugin that the illegal immigrant who allegedly murdered Rachel Morin, a mother of five from Maryland, had entered the U.S. as a "gotaway."

 

 

 

democrats wish you'd stop posting comments like this, User; it's damaging to their already loose grasp on reality. lol

[Deluge]

44 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Run on this issue? I don't think you understand this issue. This is not an undocumented immigrant who was released into the US. Ir really has nothing to do with immigration policy. Simply someone who eventually managed to evade capture on 1 out of 4 tries.

But I don't expect the facts will deter Republicans from cynically exploiting this family's loss.

Here's the most important fact: That piece of shit criminal invader committed murder on US soil during Joe Biden's watch. 

Now, what are you soy guzzling welcome mats going to do about it? 

Edited June 21 by Deluge

[User]

13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Are you trying to say he was released pending his ASYLUM CLAIM?

That was BEFORE he was a MURDERER. Duh

Yeah, no crap. 

That is one of the points. You and other Democrats support letting an infinite amount of people go into our country on claims of asylum. 

However, in regards to this particular murderer, it was far worse than that. 

He was illegally let go on parole and worse than that even New York let him go before ICE could pick him up... because you Democrats don't give a crap about enforcing immigration laws. Even for criminals. 

 

DHS Confirms to Graham: Laken Riley Murder Suspect Illegally Paroled Into U.S.

WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has confirmed to U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the individual charged with the murder of Georgia student Laken Riley was paroled into the country illegally.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/dhs-confirms-to-graham-laken-riley-murder-suspect-illegally-paroled-into-us

NYPD Arrested, Released Illegal Immigrant Suspected of Murdering Georgia Student, ICE Says

"NYPD officers arrested Jose Antonio Ibarra, a 26-year-old immigrant from Venezuela, on September 14 over charges related to actions harming a child under the age of 17 and a motor-vehicle license violation, ICE said in a statement. At the time, he was released before ICE could issue a detainer."

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nypd-arrested-released-illegal-immigrant-suspected-of-murdering-georgia-student-ice-says/

[Michael Hardner]

Another dumb thread... it's been documented for years that native-born Americans have a higher crime rate.  First search I did yielded this paper.  Retarded nanny goals regurgitate recycled FOX news cans, is my guess.  Please rebut though, because I wasted mere minutes on this exercise in investigating chud news...

https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

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 Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between US-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as “undocumented” at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime.

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, User said:

I understand this issue better than you it seems. 

The Border Patrol is bogged down on processing people at the entry points who are flooding our country on claims of asylum. 

That = less patrols = less captures = less deterrence for illegal entry 

I clearly called out we need to punish folks for repeated violations. He was captured 3 times. There are punishments which include prison time for repeated violations. 

I guess the Biden DOJ is too busy trying to send people to prison for a few months because they were wandering around on January 6th than to send repeat illegal immigrants to prison. 

I also included Laken Riley, whose murderer was let go by the Biden Administration into the country... 

These are just a couple of examples among the numerous instances of violent rape, murder, and other illegal activity like DUI's killing people by illegal immigrants. 

I love that your solution for staffing and budget challenges with border immigration is to "punish" potentially millions of people with room and board for years at a time. Apparently that will be cost-free and unstaffed.🤣

32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Another dumb thread... it's been documented for years that native-born Americans have a higher crime rate.  First search I did yielded this paper.  Retarded nanny goals regurgitate recycled FOX news cans, is my guess.  Please rebut though, because I wasted mere minutes on this exercise in investigating chud news...

https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

 

 

Probably the proper response to misleading vividness posts like this is a story about an undocumented person saving someone's life or living quietly and productively as a valued member of a community. But, you know, nobody is scared of that...

[Hodad]

39 minutes ago, User said:

Yeah, no crap. 

That is one of the points. You and other Democrats support letting an infinite amount of people go into our country on claims of asylum. 

However, in regards to this particular murderer, it was far worse than that. 

He was illegally let go on parole and worse than that even New York let him go before ICE could pick him up... because you Democrats don't give a crap about enforcing immigration laws. Even for criminals. 

 

DHS Confirms to Graham: Laken Riley Murder Suspect Illegally Paroled Into U.S.

WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has confirmed to U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the individual charged with the murder of Georgia student Laken Riley was paroled into the country illegally.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/dhs-confirms-to-graham-laken-riley-murder-suspect-illegally-paroled-into-us

NYPD Arrested, Released Illegal Immigrant Suspected of Murdering Georgia Student, ICE Says

"NYPD officers arrested Jose Antonio Ibarra, a 26-year-old immigrant from Venezuela, on September 14 over charges related to actions harming a child under the age of 17 and a motor-vehicle license violation, ICE said in a statement. At the time, he was released before ICE could issue a detainer."

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nypd-arrested-released-illegal-immigrant-suspected-of-murdering-georgia-student-ice-says/

Maybe Trump shouldn't have spiked the immigration reform bill? 

Oh, wait, that's right. The only way Republicans care about the border is as a campaign issue. Cynical, but effective.

[ironstone]

An interesting article about how the media covers (or doesn't cover) the issue of crimes by illegal immigrants.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/06/25/media-stop-hiding-truth-illegal-immigrant-crime/

Elites often repeat the talking point that immigrants commit fewer crimes than Americans. In truth, however, most states don’t keep comparative crime statistics. Regardless of the statistical breakdown, media outlets purposely ignore stories that upend their preferred immigrants-as-choirboys narrative.

[Nationalist]

48 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Maybe Trump shouldn't have spiked the immigration reform bill? 

Oh, wait, that's right. The only way Republicans care about the border is as a campaign issue. Cynical, but effective.

The Republicans wouldn't pass the proposed law because it was bullshit...plain and simple.

2500 before the border patrol can close it down? The stoopid is blatant as Hell. 

When Trump becomes POTUS, he will immediately proceed to shut the border down. Then my guess is he'll instruct ICE to round up all those millions of illegals and unceremoniously deport their a55es.

[Michael Hardner]

53 minutes ago, ironstone said:

1. ... most states don’t keep comparative crime statistics.
2. Regardless of the statistical breakdown, media outlets purposely ignore stories that upend their preferred immigrants-as-choirboys narrative.

1. But enough clearly do to do some analysis.
2. Sure but immigrant crime shouldn't be treated with more focus than homeland crime either.  It's deceptive to do so and makes people think immigrants are crime risks even if they aren't.

[User]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

1. But enough clearly do to do some analysis.
2. Sure but immigrant crime shouldn't be treated with more focus than homeland crime either.  It's deceptive to do so and makes people think immigrants are crime risks even if they aren't.

This is a deceptive argument on your part. 

We are not talking about some generic abstract statistical analysis about "immigrant crime" in general.

This is quite specifically an issue with the policies supported by the left to effectively open the borders and provide sanctuary to known criminals. Rather than release them to ICE for deportation when they commit crimes, Democrats want to let them go... or Democrats are wanting to flood the country with asylum seekers knowing that most will abscond. 

These are people who shouldn't be here to begin with to ever commit any crime to begin with and worse, some of them are arrested for breaking the law, but still Democrats want to let them go... and they end up raping and murdering people, things that should never have occurred had we enforced the existing laws on immigration. 

And to that point, we are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants, not lawful migrants. So, you want to ignore the fact they are already criminals to begin with to then say they don't commit as much crime as compared to the general population... 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Maybe Trump shouldn't have spiked the immigration reform bill? 

Oh, wait, that's right. The only way Republicans care about the border is as a campaign issue. Cynical, but effective.

No, what is cynical is this mindless talking point being parroted. 

When you can explain what part of that immigration bill had anything to do with these specific issues outlined here in this thread, let me know. I will then humor such as an actually good point to consider. 

Biden already has the Executive power to do more to combat illegal immigration, he chose to use it on day one to pass orders doing the opposite and continues to do so. 

Besides, that immigration bill was dead on arrival in the House anyhow. They barely scraped up a handful of Republicans to maybe get it over the finish line in the Senate, knowing it would have been a battle in the House. 
 

[User]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

I love that your solution for staffing and budget challenges with border immigration is to "punish" potentially millions of people with room and board for years at a time. Apparently that will be cost-free and unstaffed.

Yes, that is how prison works and law enforcement works. I am all for prison reform to provide bare minimum necessities for folks. I imagine though, like your fellow leftists, you will rather insist on any prison accommodations being much more than tents out in the desert with stale bread and beans... 

But please do tell, when a criminal keeps illegally entering the US and is caught, what is your solution? Let me guess, it is to not care at all and just make everyone a citizen that shows up?

 

[gatomontes99]

One rape isn't even a drop in the bucket. The numbers are staggering.

Last year, per the CBP, 1.6 million people were encountered crossing the border. Known got a ways excluded. Of the 1.6 million, over 1 million were adults.

It is estimated, based on interviews by a Mexican newspaper, that 30% of women were forced to have sex as payment for travel.

If half of the adults are women, that 30% would mean 150,000 women were raped as a result of Joe Biden and the left's open border policy.

Let that sink in.

150,000 women raped.

150,000.

Shut. Down. The. Border.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_of_migrants_from_Latin_America_to_the_United_States

[Michael Hardner]

36 minutes ago, User said:

1. This is a deceptive argument on your part.  We are not talking about some generic abstract statistical analysis about "immigrant crime" in general.

2. This is quite specifically an issue with the policies supported by the left to effectively open the borders and provide sanctuary to known criminals.  

1. Calling the overall picture of crime an abstraction is itself a deceptive word.  i can say "another Jew just ripped me off" and, while factual, we know that I am evoking an implied generalization of Jews in general.
2. I stopped reading there because you firstly said something I wrote was 'deceptive' and now are saying the "left" by which I assume you mean the Democrats, incredibly, are supporting policies to ... provide sanctuary to known criminals.  It's pretty easy to infer that is the intent of the Democratic party, to shelter criminals within the US border.

I prefer to discuss things with people who *appear* to be trying to be objective in their language and arguments, even when they are not.

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Sure but immigrant crime shouldn't be treated with more focus than homeland crime either.  It's deceptive to do so and makes people think immigrants are crime risks even if they aren't.

According to the link I posted, the media generally doesn't give much coverage to illegal immigrant crime. And if they do  mention the story at all, they may leave out the fact that the perpetrator was in the country illegally.

It's the same sort of thing say, if a shooter happens to be trans, then the story gets buried.

[User]

46 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Calling the overall picture of crime an abstraction is itself a deceptive word.  i can say "another Jew just ripped me off" and, while factual, we know that I am evoking an implied generalization of Jews in general.

Me: I give two specific examples of how illegal immigrants committed murder and cite specifics about the policies behind them

You: You are generalizing all immigrants! 

Yeah, one of us is being deceptive here, it isn't me. 

57 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I stopped reading

Of course you did. It is a matter of routine with you now. When the going gets tough, you get going. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, User said:

1: I give two specific examples of how illegal immigrants committed murder and cite specifics about the policies behind them

2. You: You are generalizing all immigrants! 

3.  It is a matter of routine with you now.

4. When the going gets tough, you get going. 

1. i told you I stopped reading.  From this sentence I can't tell if you responded to my point but it doesn't seem so.
2. Correct.
3. I will leave the thread without any regret if I sense that I'm speaking with a propagandist.  I don't understand why you want to speak to me at all either for that matter.  Don't you think I'm a liar ?
4. When the going gets stupid, I get going.  I come here to explore topics built on some semblance of common understanding.  Without that there's nothing of interest.

[User]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. i told you I stopped reading.  From this sentence I can't tell if you responded to my point but it doesn't seem so.
2. Correct.
3. I will leave the thread without any regret if I sense that I'm speaking with a propagandist.  I don't understand why you want to speak to me at all either for that matter.  Don't you think I'm a liar ?
4. When the going gets stupid, I get going.  I come here to explore topics built on some semblance of common understanding.  Without that there's nothing of interest.

The only propagandist between the two of us here is you. You jumped in here to try to make some inane and deceptive point as if I was talking about all immigrants.

There is no common understanding between us because you apparently support letting these criminal illegal immigrants back out on the street to murder and rape people, because *checks notes* generally speaking migrants don't commit as much crime. 

Run along now. 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, User said:

1. The only propagandist between the two of us here is you.  

2. ... these criminal illegal immigrants ...

3. Run along now. 

1. Oh wow.  Sorry to hear that.
2. Why did I ever think you were being deceptive ? 🤨
3. Yes sir.    Sorry you didn't get to talk to me... again.

[User]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

2. Why did I ever think you were being deceptive ? 🤨

You have an issue with facts. 

[Nationalist]

45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. i told you I stopped reading.  From this sentence I can't tell if you responded to my point but it doesn't seem so.
2. Correct.
3. I will leave the thread without any regret if I sense that I'm speaking with a propagandist.  I don't understand why you want to speak to me at all either for that matter.  Don't you think I'm a liar ?
4. When the going gets stupid, I get going.  I come here to explore topics built on some semblance of common understanding.  Without that there's nothing of interest.

Good lord...do you practice sticking your tail between your legs for just these instances?

I hope Trump wins, slams the border shut, and rounds up ALL of these illegals and deports ALL of them.!

Edited June 21 by Nationalist