August1991 Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 How civilised societies collapse, I don't know. This is not the 1930s. We are not facing Hitler. It is the 1910s. ===== We need a new structure of peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 10 Author Report Share Posted June 10 We have a peace, I am struggling to understand why a civiised society - in 1914- commits suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 11 hours ago, August1991 said: We have a peace, I am struggling to understand why a civiised society - in 1914- commits suicide. Money. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 What are you rambling on about? It would help if you could form complete sentences with whole thoughts. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 15 hours ago, August1991 said: We need a new structure of peace. We need to start from scratch. I'd start by be reflecting on this. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: We need to start from scratch. I'd start by be reflecting on this. I disagree. I reject your attempt to belittle humanity. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: I disagree. I reject your attempt to belittle humanity. Humanity is perfectly capable of belittling itself, even smaller than reality can. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Humanity is perfectly capable of belittling itself, even smaller than reality can. Meh...a humanity hater. Something I'll never be able to fathom. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 48 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Meh...a humanity hater. Something I'll never be able to fathom. What is it you're trying to fathom? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, eyeball said: What is it you're trying to fathom? Why someone would hate humanity. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Why someone would hate humanity. I suppose if humanity did something hateful you might have a reason. I get amused for example when it does something stupid. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 This is again a false analogy and either the author does not understand the difference that is quite obvious, or deliberately attempts to confound it. 1914 was a war that was caused by a conflict of imperial interests and triggered by actions of certain personalities. In the world of that time, there were no mechanisms to prevent it. Now, we have, purportedly at least, a world security framework and it has clear guidelines and rules that specifically and clearly disallow and prohibit brutal force and aggression in the relations between countries. So when one country decides to violate them, without any rational argument there are no other options for a resolution than: 1) enforce the declared rules and restore the order: by the way, what we have in our everyday life, or 2) let go of the rules, discontinue them and have no order. One simply cannot have a pretense of an order, and its egregious, blatant and obvious violation of it at the same time and place. It remains to note that the second case would not at all lead to any peace, because the aggressor was rewarded, can repeat same behavior anywhere and any time; any one imitating the aggressor could do the same with no consequences; effectively leading to the state of the 16-18 century, only with nukes. And this is nothing less than a certain, confident setting for an all-out nuke war, nothing would do it more certainly. Now, what isn't clear here? What could be the confusion? 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 On 6/9/2024 at 9:44 PM, August1991 said: We have a peace, I am struggling to understand why a civiised society - in 1914- commits suicide. I am struggling to understand why you insist on using this forum as your diary of half-baked thoughts. 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 11 Author Report Share Posted June 11 7 hours ago, myata said: This is again a false analogy and either the author does not understand the difference that is quite obvious, or deliberately attempts to confound it. .... Myata, I suspect that your post was written by AI. Whatever. ==== In summer 1914, Europe was civilised. And then, an elite lead everyone into a disaster that lasted for thirty years. Make no mistake: Future generations will not refer to WWI, the Depression and WWII. They will refer to the period between 1914-1945 as the "Wars". Nowadays, if remembered, the 1789-1815 is known as the "Napoleonic Wars". And the Thirty Years war? When Sweden intervened? Who knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 Only for the record, I would attempt to answer, if there was even a trace of a meaning in the question or comment. Alas. So again, In this world now, we have made the rule against unilateral, violent aggression. We do have such cases unfolding. So, our options are limited to, either enforcing the rule; or doing away with it and thus tacitly encouraging this and all future aggressive wars. There are no words-only solutions to this conundrum. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 11 Author Report Share Posted June 11 7 minutes ago, myata said: Only for the record, I would attempt to answer, if there was even a trace of a meaning in the question or comment. Alas. So again, In this world now, we have made the rule against unilateral, violent aggression. We do have such cases unfolding. So, our options are limited to, either enforcing the rule; or doing away with it and thus tacitly encouraging this and all future aggressive wars. There are no words-only solutions to this conundrum. Myata, I disagree ===== PS. Classic example of hallucination. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, August1991 said: PS. Classic example of hallucination. Disagreeing with the reality, facts of it and logic? indeed. The classical definition. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 11 Author Report Share Posted June 11 4 minutes ago, myata said: Disagreeing with the reality, facts of it and logic? indeed. The classical definition. You are wrong, myata. ChatGPT 4,0 is far better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 5 hours ago, August1991 said: I suspect that your post was written by AI. Whatever. August, I suspect that your post was written by an old man who lost his marbles. Whatever. 5 hours ago, August1991 said: In summer 1914, Europe was civilised. This is a banal, useless thought, that you repeat like a broken record, screeching it over and over again in posts innumeberable. Europe evidently wasn't civilized in summer of 1914, because they embarked in the most disastrous (and pointless) war the world's ever seen shortly thereafter. 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 14 Author Report Share Posted June 14 On 6/11/2024 at 10:11 PM, Moonbox said: August, I suspect that your post was written by an old man who lost his marbles. Whatever. This is a banal, useless thought, that you repeat like a broken record, screeching it over and over again in posts innumeberable. Europe evidently wasn't civilized in summer of 1914, because they embarked in the most disastrous (and pointless) war the world's ever seen shortly thereafter. IMHO. the civilised world collapsed in the summer 1914. An elite of the time commit suicide - and lead ordinary people into death and destruction for the next 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 22 Author Report Share Posted June 22 (edited) In 1914, players. elite, bureaucrats call them as you will. Whether Putin. Biden or Trump. The UN. === We have the chance for a sit-down. Edited June 22 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 On 6/11/2024 at 6:20 PM, myata said: Only for the record, I would attempt to answer, if there was even a trace of a meaning in the question or comment. Alas. So again, In this world now, we have made the rule against unilateral, violent aggression. We do have such cases unfolding. So, our options are limited to, either enforcing the rule; or doing away with it and thus tacitly encouraging this and all future aggressive wars. There are no words-only solutions to this conundrum. And yet with all your bluster...you sit safely potificating and sacrificing any lives but your own. You are a snivelling little coward.! On 6/13/2024 at 8:18 PM, August1991 said: IMHO. the civilised world collapsed in the summer 1914. An elite of the time commit suicide - and lead ordinary people into death and destruction for the next 30 years. During which a small group of bankers solidified their position by playing both sides of the conflicts. Ergo...money. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 25 Author Report Share Posted June 25 On 6/24/2024 at 9:37 AM, Nationalist said: And yet with all your bluster...you sit safely potificating and sacrificing any lives but your own. You are a snivelling little coward.! During which a small group of bankers solidified their position by playing both sides of the conflicts. Ergo...money. Money? Motivated by money? In summer 1914, several heads of state could have avoided catastrophe - and in effect, their own death. ===== IMHO, this has nothing to do with money. Kennedy was born in 1917 (Nixon in 1913). Both remembered August 1914. Indeed, Kennedy referred to Tuchman's book. Biden was born in 1942 (O'Reilly in 1948). Both remember Hitler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 52 minutes ago, August1991 said: Money? Motivated by money? In summer 1914, several heads of state could have avoided catastrophe - and in effect, their own death. ===== IMHO, this has nothing to do with money. Kennedy was born in 1917 (Nixon in 1913). Both remembered August 1914. Indeed, Kennedy referred to Tuchman's book. Biden was born in 1942 (O'Reilly in 1948). Both remember Hitler. I said bankers, not heads of state. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted June 25 Author Report Share Posted June 25 12 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I said bankers, not heads of state. Bankers want to do deals. They make money on the fees. Between 1914 and 1945, there were far fewer deals. ==== I reckon that Summer 1914 was male egoism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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