McGill asks police for help as pro-Palestinian encampment enters 4th day - Police say 'no crime is being committed' at the encampment

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

Like we know you sure aren't an alimni being bothered in the least.

"An alimni" 🤣. So close.

 And now we know that you're not an alum, alumnus, or alumna either. At best you might be a barista: the one who writes things like "Mikul" on the side of coffee cups.   

Are we done here, hewbie-boy? 

Edited May 3, 2024 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you can admit stuff to watch, you can admit that some people feel it's tough enough to want to protest. Are you against this protest then? It sure seems a lot less inconvenient than the Ottawa convoy protest.

I'm against the lying and the genocidal lust. I think those things are bad.

1. These wars and this hatred against Israel have nothing to do with 1948. If these people were 'humanitarians' with genuine anger about 1948 then they'd be 100x as mad about the creation of Pakistan in 1947 but they're not. Pakistan was created for the same reasons, by the same people, in the exact same way as Israel, but with 1,400 times as much murder and ten times as many people displaced with no right to return. Why does Pakistan get nothing but love while Israel is universally regarded by muslims as the only country that was ever arbitrarily created by British mandate?
2. There's no such thing as a "Palestinian refugee". They're "political pawns being used to foment hatred against Israel"... There were far more Syrian and Iraqi refugees created by islamic states genocide spree ten years ago, and they all found homes ten years ago. Germany alone took in more refugees than there were from Palestine in 1948. Muslim countries that pretend to care about Palestinians leave entire generations of children there to wallow in poverty and strife.
3. "From the river to the sea" is not about everyone living together and getting along, it's an explicit call to genocide of all the Jews in that region. For some, that's not even enough - they want all Jews dead. 2 kinds of people say "From the river..." 1. People who want a genocide and 2. Stooges who were conned by the aforementioned genocidal scum.
4. Gazans, Palestinians, Iranians and other similarly evil muslim countries have had 75 years to move along now, just like they did with Pakistan, but they still feel like the only reasonable solution is genocide. FYI Gazans are far worse than Nazi-era Germans were: across the board there's far more support for genocide among Gazans than there ever was among Nazi-era Germans, Gazans just lack the ability to gain power over the people they want to slaughter. 

FWIW I'm not a Jew. I don't even believe there's a God. Out of respect for a lot of people who do, I'm not gonna get into how strongly I feel about that.

Like anyone else with a heart I see the Palestinian children as children, and I think it's appalling what's happening to them. I know some absolutely wonderful people with their exact same DNA, even some we consider family, and I hate to think of them being subjected to the same set of circumstances as Gazan children. But they're not dying because of anything that the Jews are doing - they're dying because Gazans [along with Iranians, etc] won't stop short of a genocide against Jews, and as a result they have put Israel in a position where they're doing something that's entirely necessary to avoid a much larger genocide.

This is like the trolley car moral/ethical dilemma: there's a trolley car headed down the tracks to kill 10M people, and you can switch the car to another track where it will kill 1/300th the number of people. Do you do it? 

Not only that, in this real-life version of that famous conundrum, the people on the second track are the ones trying to kill the 10M people on the first track in the first place, and the people on the first track don't want anyone to die. They just want to be left alone.

When I see people saying "F-Israel", I see people saying "Let that freight train roll, baby. We wanna see ten million dead Jews", along with some others who are unwittingly supporting that genocide. 

Edited May 3, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Michael Hardner]

39 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

  I see the Palestinian children as children, and I think it's appalling what's happening to them.  

I agree with this part.  The protest here is in sympathy with them for the most part, as far as I can see.  We can pick out outliers, individuals who are behaving poorly, and that's arguable ... but it doesn't condemn the whole movement any more than Pat King did for the convoy.

[WestCanMan]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree with this part.  The protest here is in sympathy with them for the most part, as far as I can see.  We can pick out outliers, individuals who are behaving poorly, and that's arguable ... but it doesn't condemn the whole movement any more than Pat King did for the convoy.

If people want to save children, or help them, or they want peace, then they need to be protesting against Hamas and Iran, not Israel. 

There's a slick propaganda campaign associated with the Palestinian refugee camps - which shouldn't exist after 75 years - and that's wht people are responding to. 

They're responding to a symptom, not the cause. They're protesting the baldness of cancer patients, not fighting the disease itself. 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Are we done here, hewbie-boy? 

You're totally done if you're unable to make a logical response to the discussion and carry on over a typo instead.

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

You're totally done if you're unable to make a logical response to the discussion and carry on over a typo instead.

FYI "an alimni" isn't a typo, unless you meant to say "an alumni", which is still wrong. 

For your edification: one person is an alum, alumnus [m], or alumna [f]. A group of people are alumni, unless they're all girls (alumnae). 

Eg., "Johnnie's a Harvard alum, his father is a Yale alumnus, and his mother is a Princeton alumna. There are 6 ivy-league alumni in his close family. Herbie makes excellent lattes, but he didn't finish his grade 5 on account of the extreme difficulty he has with the English 'langjij' 🤣." 

TBH, I've never heard anyone say alumna or alumnae before, but there are no alimni, and no one is an alumni. 

Edited May 3, 2024 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you can admit stuff to watch, you can admit that some people feel it's tough enough to want to protest.

 

That makes no sense. And i'm not talking about your obvious typo.

Most people would find an operation to save a patient's life hard to watch - but you'd have to be 10 different stupids to say that makes it ok to protest.  Just because something is unpleasant doesn't some how justify protesting it.  That is beyond lazy thinking.

Like wise - just because something is 'easy' to watch doesn't make it ok.

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On 5/2/2024 at 8:19 AM, Gaétan said:

There is no anti semitism since world war 2, not in Canada and US anyway, the demonstrators protest for justice. What these students have something to de with antisemitism, there may be some in right wing extremists  but students don't frequent these extremists. The country the most corrupted in the world is not Haïti but the US and Canada. Trudeau sells arms to Israel but the police does nothing, Trudeau fuel the génocide, permits anything to fuel the genocide but the police does nothing. Trudeau buys votes but the police is there when he does that before the reporters and on TV but they do nothing. 

go away, you bot!

[I am Groot]

On 5/2/2024 at 5:39 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Salient points are: racist behaviour by the protesters, refusal to negotiate, outsiders manipulating the situation.

And weak-kneed, left-wing university administrations wringing their hands at the thought of sending in the police. I note both Ottawa U and UofT warned they would not tolerate encampments. When encampments were set up they then did absolutely nothing. A UofT professor 'infiltrated' the encampment there and found most weren't even associated with the university in any way. Yet the university might have to call off its graduation ceremonies because of them. And this is, ironically, for students who missed graduation ceremonies as high school students due to covid.

On 5/2/2024 at 5:39 AM, Michael Hardner said:

But I would say that these protestors are standing up for civilians, not (as the Ottawa protesters) for themselves.  And the mandate is much more clear here also.

They're certainly not standing up for the civilians tortured, raped and murdered by the Palestinians on Oct 7. No, they're cosplaying. As soon as this sort of thing spread through the US system it was only a matter of time before our empty-headed progressives imitated them. Whatever progressives do in the US almost immediately spreads to Canada, even if not relevant. The cause is irrelevant. They really don't care. They mostly don't even know much about it. The white kids are there to feel the thrill of taking part in something 'virtuous', and getting selfies out onto their social media pages for 'likes'. The Muslims are there because they hate Jews.

On 5/2/2024 at 5:39 AM, Michael Hardner said:

People should look at these issues based on the principles, not the tribalism ie. "I don't like woke universities therefore I'm against this"

There are no principles involved here. Certainly, the demonstrators don't have any. Thus the total absence of any calls for Hamas to release hostages or stop firing rockets into Israel. 

[I am Groot]

On 5/2/2024 at 1:40 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I think it's perfectly reasonable to call out Israel for going too far.  To do so is not pro-Hammas... 

Only if they go to far. Which they have not yet done in Gaza.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

And weak-kneed, left-wing university administrations wringing their hands at the thought of sending in the police. I note both Ottawa U and UofT warned they would not tolerate encampments. When encampments were set up they then did absolutely nothing. A UofT professor 'infiltrated' the encampment there and found most weren't even associated with the university in any way. Yet the university might have to call off its graduation ceremonies because of them. And this is, ironically, for students who missed graduation ceremonies as high school students due to covid.

They're certainly not standing up for the civilians tortured, raped and murdered by the Palestinians on Oct 7. No, they're cosplaying. As soon as this sort of thing spread through the US system it was only a matter of time before our empty-headed progressives imitated them. Whatever progressives do in the US almost immediately spreads to Canada, even if not relevant. The cause is irrelevant. They really don't care. They mostly don't even know much about it. The white kids are there to feel the thrill of taking part in something 'virtuous', and getting selfies out onto their social media pages for 'likes'. The Muslims are there because they hate Jews.

There are no principles involved here. Certainly, the demonstrators don't have any. Thus the total absence of any calls for Hamas to release hostages or stop firing rockets into Israel. 

 

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Only if they go to far. Which they have not yet done in Gaza.

53 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

They only want to stop it because Israel is winning. If it was the other way around none of these people would be out demonstrating. Many would be celebrating.

None of them have investments in Israel nor in Israeli companies. The protesters can't even name any investments they want the to sell.

 

1. I would expect University admin to be weak-kneed, at least as much as the City of Ottawa.  I don't know if action is warranted here, though.  The podcast I posted detailed how the scale of the protest is largely unreported.  Maybe that changed.

2. The 'cosplay' accusation shows that the foundation of your criticism is based on a low opinion of students, not the events of the day.  One can still protest Israel - a nation state that is susceptible to public opinion and presumably acts at a higher level of morality than terrorists.  The idea that you have to protest against criminals at the same time in order to show a kind of both-sidesism is odd to me.

3. I don't know if Israel has gone too far in Gaza but it's possible.

4. I don't think Israel is winning, but ok.

5. Again, you don't have to have investments to protest.

 

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I wish the Police would pepper spray all those obnoxious Palestinian protestors causing issues on college campuses and other educational institutions. 

 

I was pepper sprayed once in downtown Winnipeg,  when a young punk wanted to jack my backpack.  It's incredibly painful, and hard to wash off clothing and the body.

[I am Groot]

On 5/5/2024 at 1:49 PM, Michael Hardner said:

2. The 'cosplay' accusation shows that the foundation of your criticism is based on a low opinion of students

Untrue. I have a low opinion of fools. And those protesting fall into two categories, the Muslims who reflexively hate Jews, and the fools.

On 5/5/2024 at 1:49 PM, Michael Hardner said:

One can still protest Israel - a nation state that is susceptible to public opinion and presumably acts at a higher level of morality than terrorists.  The idea that you have to protest against criminals at the same time in order to show a kind of both-sidesism is odd to me.

According to these people Israel is a uniquely evil state, the worst by far on the face of the Earth. What other nation-states are currently being widely accused of genocide, of deliberately targeting women and children, of war crimes, of starving people, etc.? Where are the throngs of people out marching because of the way China treated its Muslims. If Israel put Muslims in concentration camps for retraining these people would lose their collective minds. The UN says Sudan is the worst crisis in the world and none of them give a damn. They're not protesting because they care about people dying. They're protesting because they hate Jews. Or because they're left-wing twats.

On 5/5/2024 at 1:49 PM, Michael Hardner said:

5. Again, you don't have to have investments to protest.

I meant the universities don't have investments in Israel. 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What other nation-states are currently being widely accused of genocide, of deliberately targeting women and children, of war crimes, of starving people, etc.?

Well... russia i guess, but i get what you're saying.

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Where are the throngs of people out marching because of the way China treated its Muslims.

Exactly

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I meant the universities don't have investments in Israel. 

I think it's an excuse to justify why they were there. "students" are allowed to 'protest' in universities.

Except of course most of these people are not students.

[Michael Hardner]

33 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. I have a low opinion of fools. And those protesting fall into two categories, the Muslims who reflexively hate Jews, and the fools.

2. According to these people Israel is a uniquely evil state, the worst by far on the face of the Earth. 

1. Ok, well you might want to keep an open mind because sometimes fools are right.
2. I stopped reading there.  They are asking to Divest from certain enterprises, that's all.  There are Jews favouring this too.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I wish the Police would pepper spray all those obnoxious Palestinian protestors causing issues on college campuses and other educational institutions. 

I wish these protests would become a more widespread generalized conflict between conservatives and progressives. Like Netanyahu implied there's something more global happening.

This is kind of like that tree of liberty thing.

The police should be neutral, stand back and let it rip.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok, well you might want to keep an open mind because sometimes fools are right.
 

That's true.  Oh - HEY! Well there you go

(c'mon, you walked into that one)

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I stopped reading there. 

You always stop reading when you read something you don't like. 

It's a habit of the left these days.

It's a weak mind that can't cope with or process ideas they don't like. Or who won't take the 10 seconds it takes to read something but will take the 10 seconds it takes to explain why they didn't take the time to actually read and understand someone.

All you're doing is announcing your willful ignorance. Next time why not read the guy stuff and then either address it or don't. Seriously, put your big boy panties on

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I wish these protests would become a more widespread generalized conflict between conservatives and progressives. Like Netanyahu implied there's something more global happening.

This is kind of like that tree of liberty thing.

The police should be neutral, stand back and let it rip.

Well in the end it probably will , conservatives will probably look to pass new laws when they obtain power limiting people like this and their ability to protest. Harper considered it but back down, if these people still want to play ball when the conservatives come back to power then I am sure there will be significant change

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

conservatives will probably look to pass new laws

Sure, hide behind the cops. No courage no conviction is how you guys always roll.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sure, hide behind the cops. No courage no conviction is how you guys always roll.

Says the guy who supported the government that declared the emergency act on people with bouncy castles