August1991 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 (edited) Winston Churchill was born in 1874 - about 60 years after the Napoleonic wars. Millenials, people born some 60 years after 1945, are like Churchill. Churchill was a war monger in spring/summer 1914. https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/did-churchill-want-world-war-i/ ===== Modern American politicians remember Churchill as a lone guy who, in the 1930s, stood against Hitler. In the middle of the disastrous three decades after 1914, Churchill was correct. This current world of the 2020s is not like the 1930s. We are not in the middle of a maelstrom. Rather, we are living in a world like the 1910s. We have had decades of peace, few remember what war is, and we are struggling to create a new structure. Edited April 24 by August1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 9 hours ago, August1991 said: Churchill was a war monger in spring/summer 1914. Churchill was an appeaser compared to General Patton in 1945. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 (edited) On 4/24/2024 at 2:54 AM, August1991 said: Winston Churchill was born in 1874 - about 60 years after the Napoleonic wars. Millenials, people born some 60 years after 1945, are like Churchill. Churchill was a war monger in spring/summer 1914. https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/did-churchill-want-world-war-i/ ===== Modern American politicians remember Churchill as a lone guy who, in the 1930s, stood against Hitler. In the middle of the disastrous three decades after 1914, Churchill was correct. This current world of the 2020s is not like the 1930s. We are not in the middle of a maelstrom. Rather, we are living in a world like the 1910s. We have had decades of peace, few remember what war is, and we are struggling to create a new structure. Did you bother to read your own link. It states that Churchill's statements before the war have been misquoted or taken out of context. His job as first lord of the Admiralty was to make sure the British fleet was prepared to counter the massive buildup in the German High Seas Fleet, which he did. The security of Britain's empire and being an island nation, its own survival depended on command of the seas. By 1910 Churchill had seen action in three wars including taking part in Britain's last meaningful cavalry charge, being captured, escaping and crossing 300 miles of enemy territory to safety on his own. He also commanded a battalion on the Western Front for a short time during WW1. He did know what war was about. Edited April 25 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted April 26 Author Report Share Posted April 26 13 hours ago, Aristides said: .... He did know what war was about. Maybe this explains his writings in the 1930s. But we are not in the 1930s. We are in the 1910s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 Churchill is not considered a hero in Australia. No surprise there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 Nobody is perfect, but thank God we had him leading against Hitler. And he was funny. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted April 28 Author Report Share Posted April 28 On 4/26/2024 at 7:20 PM, -TSS- said: Churchill is not considered a hero in Australia. No surprise there either. In America, Churchill is perceived as a good man - the lone guy against evil. Putin is no Hitler. ====== Our current world situation has noting to do with the 1930s. We are in the 1910s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted May 1 Author Report Share Posted May 1 On 4/26/2024 at 7:20 PM, -TSS- said: Churchill is not considered a hero in Australia. No surprise there either. As a Canadian, I vaguely know about Gallipoli. Do Australians know about Beaumont-Hamel? ==== Like today, this could have been avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted Sunday at 08:22 AM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:22 AM On 4/27/2024 at 1:51 PM, PIK said: Nobody is perfect, but thank God we had him leading against Hitler. And he was funny. Lol This is the popular American perception. Some American politicians want to be the next Churchill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted Sunday at 08:41 AM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:41 AM On 4/25/2024 at 11:03 AM, Aristides said: Did you bother to read your own link. It states that Churchill's statements before the war have been misquoted or taken out of context. His job as first lord of the Admiralty was to make sure the British fleet was prepared to counter the massive buildup in the German High Seas Fleet .... Read carefully. I gave this link precisely to show how the elite in the 1910s - like now - think. ====== The Thirty Years between 1914-1945 were a disaster for Europe. In 1912, ordinary people had hope. By 1946, many were dead. Churchill in part caused this disaster. To his credit, Keynes changed his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted Sunday at 02:57 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:57 PM 6 hours ago, August1991 said: Read carefully. I gave this link precisely to show how the elite in the 1910s - like now - think. ====== The Thirty Years between 1914-1945 were a disaster for Europe. In 1912, ordinary people had hope. By 1946, many were dead. Churchill in part caused this disaster. To his credit, Keynes changed his mind. How did Churchill cause it? Churchill was 1st Lord of the Admiralty when it was in a building race with Germany. He offered the Germans a building moratorium (we won't build any more battleships if you don't) but the Kaiser wasn't interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted 21 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) On 5/5/2024 at 10:57 AM, Aristides said: How did Churchill cause it? Churchill was 1st Lord of the Admiralty when it was in a building race with Germany. He offered the Germans a building moratorium (we won't build any more battleships if you don't) but the Kaiser wasn't interested. Disagree. Churchill was born in the 1870s. Just like our millenials - some six decades after the last European war. ===== IMHIO, this is not 1938. It is 1912. Edited 21 hours ago by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted 21 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) On 5/5/2024 at 10:57 AM, Aristides said: How did Churchill cause it? Churchill was 1st Lord of the Admiralty when it was in a building race with Germany. Why do I disagree? You answer my question. ===== In the summer of 1914, everyone in the elite thought that it would be a short war. To his credit, like Keynes, Churchill changed his mind. Edited 21 hours ago by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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