A shameful declaration by Lloyd Austin, Biden's Secretary of Defense: Ukraine should stop attacks on Russian oil facilities

[myata]

Bloomberg: US Slams Strikes on Russia Oil Refineries as Risk to Oil Markets

While Russia's brutal attacks take daily toll on the cities and towns, civilians in the heart of Europe of this century, the statement comes out as both callous and hypocritical.

"Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin warned that Ukraine’s recent attacks on Russian oil refineries risk impacting global energy markets and urged the country to focus on military targets instead"

Did PM Churchill and President F. D. Roosevelt know that they shouldn't have attacked the enemy's industrial facilities, fully contributing to his inhumane brutality and "focus on the military targets, instead"?

What wars has Chief Ostin won recently, compared to the aforementioned leaders, to merit such a precious advice, a question begs?

Sad and dangerous, in this time of unprecedented turbulence that the United States appears to be on the track to loose itself; it's long-standing principles; commitments; will and resolve to act. Through senile impotence or outright insanity: does it really matter?

Edited April 11, 2024 by myata

[Michael Hardner]

Well yes, war on the elites is war against their power structures.  I'm seeing comments that drone attacks on these facilities will make a difference in the war.

 

Ukraine will do this, and jeopardize Biden's reelection if they don't get funding.

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, myata said:

Bloomberg: US Slams Strikes on Russia Oil Refineries as Risk to Oil Markets

While Russia's brutal attacks take daily toll on the cities and towns, civilians in the heart of Europe of this century, the statement comes out as both callous and hypocritical.

"Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin warned that Ukraine’s recent attacks on Russian oil refineries risk impacting global energy markets and urged the country to focus on military targets instead"

Did PM Churchill and President F. D. Roosevelt know that they shouldn't have attacked the enemy's industrial facilities, fully contributing to his inhumane brutality and "focus on the military targets, instead"?

What wars has Chief Ostin won recently, compared to the aforementioned leaders, to merit such a precious advice, a question begs?

Sad and dangerous, in this time of unprecedented turbulence that the United States appears to be on the track to loose itself; it's long-standing principles; commitments; will and resolve to act. Through senile impotence or outright insanity: does it really matter?

Of course, if US weapons destroy these oil facilities and gasoline prices rise as a result, MAGA-world will blame Biden.  Being energy independent doesn’t matter when our oil prices are set globally.  
 

This is why the national security of the U.S. depends on accelerating our transition to a higher proportion of renewable energy sources.  

[myata]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

jeopardize Biden's reelection if they don't get funding.

Right. Before, people went to fight because it was a right thing to do to stop the rising tide of evil. What a difference a few decades make. Just shame.

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[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, myata said:

Right. Before, people went to fight because it was a right thing to do to stop the rising tide evil. What a difference a few decades make. Just shame.

It's been a thing to lose wars in favour of winning elections for over 50 years kind of..

[myata]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's been a thing to lose wars in favour of winning elections for over 50 years kind of..

Negative progress, right

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, myata said:

Bloomberg: US Slams Strikes on Russia Oil Refineries as Risk to Oil Markets

Your link points to THIS POST, not Bloomberg.

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, myata said:

Bloomberg: US Slams Strikes on Russia Oil Refineries as Risk to Oil Markets

While Russia's brutal attacks take daily toll on the cities and towns, civilians in the heart of Europe of this century, the statement comes out as both callous and hypocritical.

"Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin warned that Ukraine’s recent attacks on Russian oil refineries risk impacting global energy markets and urged the country to focus on military targets instead"

Did PM Churchill and President F. D. Roosevelt know that they shouldn't have attacked the enemy's industrial facilities, fully contributing to his inhumane brutality and "focus on the military targets, instead"?

What wars has Chief Ostin won recently, compared to the aforementioned leaders, to merit such a precious advice, a question begs?

Sad and dangerous, in this time of unprecedented turbulence that the United States appears to be on the track to loose itself; it's long-standing principles; commitments; will and resolve to act. Through senile impotence or outright insanity: does it really matter?

Surely Austin knows that anyone who is buying Russian oil is violating US sanctions, and that Russian oil therefore IS a military target. It is pathetic that MAGA and some US voters will blame Biden for rising oil prices instead of Russia's ILLEGAL AGRESSION.

[robosmith]

US urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries Financial Times

 

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The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning that the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions.

The repeated warnings from Washington were delivered to senior officials at Ukraine’s state security service, the SBU, and its military intelligence directorate, known as the GUR, the people told the Financial Times.

Both intelligence units have steadily expanded their own drone programmes to strike Russian targets on land, sea and in the air since the start of the Kremlin’s full-scale invasion in February 2022.

One person said that the White House had grown increasingly frustrated by brazen Ukrainian drone attacks that have struck oil refineries, terminals, depots and storage facilities across western Russia, hurting its oil production capacity.

Russia remains one of the world’s most important energy exporters despite western sanctions on its oil and gas sector. Oil prices have risen about 15 per cent this year, to $85 a barrel, pushing up fuel costs just as US President Joe Biden begins his campaign for re-election.

Washington is also concerned that if Ukraine keeps hitting Russian facilities, including many that are hundreds of miles from the border, Russia could retaliate by lashing out at energy infrastructure relied on by the west.

This includes the CPC pipeline carrying oil from Kazakhstan through Russia to the global market. Western companies including ExxonMobil and Chevron use the pipeline, which Moscow briefly shut in 2022.

“We do not encourage or enable attacks inside of Russia,” an NSC spokesperson said. The CIA declined to comment. In Kyiv, a spokesperson for the SBU declined to comment. Officials at GUR and Zelenskyy’s office did not respond to requests for comment. 

After the Financial Times published news of the US warnings on Friday Olha Stefanishyna, Ukraine’s deputy prime minister for European and Euro-Atlantic integration, was asked how Kyiv had responded to the Biden administration’s appeals to stop attacks on Russian refineries.

She said: “The Ukrainian side responded, I think, precisely by achieving its goals and by very successful operations conducted on the territory of the Russian Federation.”

“We understand the appeals of our American partners,” Stefanishyna told an audience at the Kyiv Security Forum. “At the same time, we are fighting with the capabilities, resources and practices that we have today.”

 

[myata]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your link points to THIS POST, not Bloomberg.

Thanks, corrected. What's going through the minds of Lloyd and Joe, beats me hard. Are they simply afraid of the little man with his big stick? And couldn't spill it, aloud?

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Thanks, corrected. What's going through the minds of Lloyd and Joe, beats me hard. Are they simply afraid of the little man with his big stick? And couldn't spill it, aloud?

Joe is worried about the much greater danger to Ukraine and NATO from the possibility of Trump's election and his allegiance to Putin. He knows that short term high oil prices pose a threat to longer term interests including Ukraine being conquered by Russia and a greater concentration of control over energy in Russia's hands from the huge gas reserves off the Southern coast of Ukraine. 

[myata]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Joe is worried about the much greater danger to Ukraine and NATO from the possibility of Trump's election and his allegiance to Putin.

Sounds like a plan Joe! Don't fight Putins too hard now so that they wouldn't win in the longer term. Makes sense, right? And this is exactly how the ancestors won it the last time, isn't it? In what world though? Your senile memoirs "how I tried my best but it didn't work too bad but I still have my roses"?

Or just afraid, OK "cautious"? Why couldn't you say it plain and simple Joe?

And what's the nonsense with the "prices"? Isn't Russia's oil under sanctions anyways? Don't you destroy prohibited stuff like drugs all the time - or care about prices, on the drug markets? Or not really, despite all the great talking? Could you make sense of it Joe finally, the great words all of them, or the act?

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[myata]

In pivotal times there's no such notion as the principle of least action, "the least action produces the lowest risk". Nope. None. The past gives no assurances. Nobody knows what "safe" means in this moment, and you don't know it Joe.

The opposite is true though: by avoiding necessary action when it was necessary, one can precipitate an irreversible, catastrophic chain of events. This already happened Joe and your words, no deepest wisdom of them is a match for the reality, this reality. But maybe that's too far away, in your mind you're already watering those roses.

[Nationalist]

This is comical. Only now is the reality of what Brandon's policies have woven, being realized.

Hate fossil fuels...drive up prices...fight the evil Russians...oops...but don't touch their fossil fuels because that'll drive prices even higher.

Brandon should have thought of this before he blew up Nordstream. What a complete failure.

[myata]

Weakness of will and resolve are very, very bad when facing the enemy of this kind. The ancestors learned it the hard way. So easy to forget.

[WestCanMan]

Oil prices are another albatross around Biden's neck. As are food prices, inflation, a bunch of wars, the border, violent crime....

"Let's keep the war going, and all the killing, but try not to affect gas prices."

[myata]

No let's make peace and live in love and harmony with Hitlers. That would work sooo much better. The ancestors learned the hard way. So easy to forget.

[Nationalist]

58 minutes ago, myata said:

No let's make peace and live in love and harmony with Hitlers. That would work sooo much better. The ancestors learned the hard way. So easy to forget.

1. Hitler is dead. Get over it.

2. Putin has discussed joining NATO.

3. What do you have against peace, love and harmony?

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This is comical. Only now is the reality of what Brandon's policies have woven, being realized.

Hate fossil fuels...drive up prices...fight the evil Russians...oops...but don't touch their fossil fuels because that'll drive prices even higher.

Brandon should have thought of this before he blew up Nordstream. What a complete failure.

STILL ^NO EVIDENCE that the US "blew up Nord Stream."

In REALITY, Ukraine had a LOT MORE TO GAIN from destroying that pipeline.

Thanks for demonstrating you'll believe whatever BULLSHIT FOS LIES slings your way. 🤮

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Oil prices are another albatross around Biden's neck. As are food prices, inflation, a bunch of wars, the border, violent crime....

"Let's keep the war going, and all the killing, but try not to affect gas prices."

^SURRENDER to PUTIN SYCOPHANT.

[robosmith]

37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. Hitler is dead. Get over it.

His spirit is ALIVE in the US Republicon Party.

37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

2. Putin has discussed joining NATO.

That ship sailed long ago. Duh

37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

3. What do you have against peace, love and harmony?

What do you have against FREEDOM from Putin's jack boots?

If you like that so much, you should move to Russia and work directly as a TROLL for Putin. 🤮

[Nationalist]

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

STILL ^NO EVIDENCE that the US "blew up Nord Stream."

In REALITY, Ukraine had a LOT MORE TO GAIN from destroying that pipeline.

Thanks for demonstrating you'll believe whatever BULLSHIT FOS LIES slings your way. 🤮

^SURRENDER to PUTIN SYCOPHANT.

Meh...ya can't fix stupid so...I guess you'll just have to live your life out...

Defective.

[myata]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

3. What do you have against peace, love and harmony?

Right. With a bloodthirsty violent murder-psycho. Four and half billion years of evolution for nothing. Just wow.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Meh...ya can't fix stupid so...I guess you'll just have to live your life out...

Defective.

I keep trying to fix your stupid, but it is a fool's errand due to your delusional cognitive dissonance.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Right. With a bloodthirsty violent murder-psycho. Four and half billion years of evolution for nothing. Just wow.

"bloodthirsty violent murder-psycho"?

Gee...the Russians seem to like him fine. Hunter Biden seems to like Russians fine. Do ya think that maybe you're just a tad over the top?

[WestCanMan]

Joe Biden: "Ukrainians are dying: ❤️.  Russians are dying: ❤️. The price of gas is increasing during an election year: CEASE AND DESIST! You need to find a way to keep profits from this war up and inflation down Mr Zelensky. We can replace you faster than a meddlesome prosecutor."

Edited April 11, 2024 by WestCanMan