So-called science has repeatedly erred in making false claims.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, User said:

What about it?

Where is it?

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Where is it?

Nice chat. Come back if you want to have some kind of fruitful discussion. 

[eyeball]

Just now, User said:

Nice chat. Come back if you want to have some kind of fruitful discussion. 

You do la la la so well.

Run along.

[User]

Just now, eyeball said:

You do la la la so well.

Run along.

I am still here. 

[SkyHigh]

2 hours ago, User said:

You are not getting to any conclusion based on what I say, rather the things you make up to argue against. 

It's a bit of a philosophical question now. You might as well ask me why Einstein didn't help someone else develop the theory of relativity instead of doing it himself. 

What is your point? Why do you keep making up crap to argue against that I didn't say?

Philosophical question? No it's not, it's a simple question.

Why couldn't god pass down scientific knowledge to the people that wrote the Bible?

Your failure to answer that question does nothing but covey that it is you making things up because you have no knowledge ( of pretty much everything it seems)

[User]

4 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Philosophical question? No it's not, it's a simple question.

You are asking my thoughts on why God did or didn't do something. That is the epitome of a philosophical question. 

What next, why didn't the first Pope own more cats?

6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Why couldn't god pass down scientific knowledge to the people that wrote the Bible?

Who said God couldn't?

6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Your failure to answer that question does nothing but covey that it is you making things up because you have no knowledge ( of pretty much everything it seems)

My not answering a question means I am making things up? Ummm... no. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. 

[SkyHigh]

On 9/28/2024 at 5:09 PM, blackbird said:

If you don't have faith

And that is what separates us , you are satisfied with faith to guide you in your decisions, I prefer to use reason and logic.

I respect your beliefs but the gap between our epistemologies is so insurmountable, I see no reason to continue in any form of future communication.

I wish you nothing but positivity 

Take care 

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

And that is what separates us , you are satisfied with faith to guide you in your decisions, I prefer to use reason and logic.

I respect your beliefs but the gap between our epistemologies is so insurmountable, I see no reason to continue in any form of future communication.

I wish you nothing but positivity 

Take care 

I understand what you're saying and do appreciate your good wishes.

But I think I could never say I give up on someone because we are talking about where we spend eternity.  That is not something that one should just give up on or take lightly.  Life is short and eternity is forever.

I will  just quote a short definition I posted earlier:

"

What is Faith?

A nineteenth-century philosopher by the name of Comte held that we should believe only what we can observe personally. Though advanced as a practical philosophy, it is impossible to live with this definition of faith. Everyone in his daily life is constantly believing and acting upon certain facts that are not necessarily proved.

For instance, if we drive a car across a bridge, how do we know by observation that the bridge will not break down? If we board an airplane for a flight to a distant city, how do we know whether the thousands of workers who put the plane together did a good job, whether the mechanics properly checked the plane, whether enough fuel has been added, and whether the flight crew is competent to fly the plane? We have been able to observe none of these factors, and yet we board a plane with a good deal of confidence. In everyday life, faith is a part of the way we live."

A lawyer once decided to giver serious study to the veracity of what Jesus and the New Testament says.

After careful study he came to the conclusion that what the gospels say and the resurrection had to be true because of the eye witnesses to everything that is recorded.  Eye witnesses would be accepted as strong evidence in a court of law.  What occurred was corroborated by a number of people.  It is also supported by many predictions (prophecies) recorded centuries earlier that were fulfilled. This is more than just blind faith then.  There are also four different gospels written by four different men, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.  That is a pretty strong account.  So I wouldn't dismiss it lightly.

"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."   Gospel according to St. John  20:31 KJV

 

[French Patriot]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

many predictions (prophecies) recorded centuries earlier that were fulfilled.

Others not.

King David's line was to father Jesus, yet Yahweh somehow cuckolded not only the King but Joseph as well.

All to produce another God with a evil genocidal attitude. Jesus and his Armageddon.

Got to love genocide to be a Christian.

[User]

1 hour ago, French Patriot said:

King David's line was to father Jesus, yet Yahweh somehow cuckolded not only the King but Joseph as well.

Where do you get this from?

1 hour ago, French Patriot said:

Got to love genocide to be a Christian.

I thought you claimed to be a Christian....

 

[TreeBeard]

On 10/9/2024 at 7:53 AM, blackbird said:

Everyone in his daily life is constantly believing and acting upon certain facts that are not necessarily proved.

Like what?  I don’t believe anything by faith.  

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Like what?  I don’t believe anything by faith.  

I gave some examples in the post.  Didn't you read it?

"

Everyone in his daily life is constantly believing and acting upon certain facts that are not necessarily proved.

For instance, if we drive a car across a bridge, how do we know by observation that the bridge will not break down? If we board an airplane for a flight to a distant city, how do we know whether the thousands of workers who put the plane together did a good job, whether the mechanics properly checked the plane, whether enough fuel has been added, and whether the flight crew is competent to fly the plane? We have been able to observe none of these factors, and yet we board a plane with a good deal of confidence. In everyday life, faith is a part of the way we live."

"1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.  2  For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. "  Hebrews 11:1-3 KJV

" 5  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."  Hebrews 11:5, 6 KJV

You see, without faith you cannot please God.

"17  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. "  Romans 10:17 KJV

Therefore you must humbly ask God to help you gain faith.  You must study the KJV Bible because it is through the study of the Bible that people receive faith.

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

For instance, if we drive a car across a bridge, how do we know by observation that the bridge will not break down?

So your contention is that there is zero evidence that bridges support the weight of vehicles?  You think people forget about the billions of times it has been shown that bridges are safe for cars?

The mere fact that we know the bridge was built by engineers, we can see the plans and do the math….   

That’s not faith….   That’s relying on evidence.  

Edited October 13, 2024 by TreeBeard

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

The mere fact that we know the bridge was built by engineers, we can see the plans and do the math….   

That’s not faith….   That’s relying on evidence.  

That's the same with the Bible and Biblical faith.  It's built on a ton of evidence.

[User]

4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So your contention is that there is zero evidence that bridges support the weight of vehicles?  You think people forget about the billions of times it has been shown that bridges are safe for cars?

The mere fact that we know the bridge was built by engineers, we can see the plans and do the math….   

That’s not faith….   That’s relying on evidence.  

And yet... bridges fail. 

 

[French Patriot]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

You must study the KJV Bible because it is through the study of the Bible that people receive faith.

Yet your bible says that God decides ahead of time which souls will be given the grace to have faith or not.

Faith is overrated.

Faith without facts, that create a belief in talking serpents and donkeys, is evil.

The supernatural is for the stupid.

 

[User]

42 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Yet your bible says that God decides ahead of time which souls will be given the grace to have faith or not.

What Bible verses are you basing this doctrinal position on?

42 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Faith is overrated.

Faith without facts, that create a belief in talking serpents and donkeys, is evil.

The supernatural is for the stupid.

Yet... you claim to be a "gnostic Christian," whatever that is. 

[French Patriot]

6 hours ago, User said:

Yet... you claim to be a "gnostic Christian," whatever that is. 

It is the moral version of Christianity. We like to argue to win our moral positions. 

All Christianity ever had was inquisitions.

Why do you think Christianity made the Bible illegal to read for so long? 

So many dying for the murderous God you promote.

Oops. A thinking question. Pease ignore. Wrong recipient.

[TreeBeard]

On 10/13/2024 at 12:22 PM, blackbird said:

That's the same with the Bible and Biblical faith.  It's built on a ton of evidence.

OK.  So why is it called faith?  You don’t need faith to believe something if you have good evidence.   

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

OK.  So why is it called faith?  You don’t need faith to believe something if you have good evidence.   

"1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.   2  For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."  Hebrews 11:1-3 KJV 

[TreeBeard]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

"1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.   2  For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."  Hebrews 11:1-3 KJV 

Exactly.  Faith has no evidence.  I can believe anything based on faith.  Faith is not a reliable path to truth.

Edited October 15, 2024 by TreeBeard

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Exactly.  Faith has no evidence.  I can believe anything based on faith.  Faith is not a reliable path to truth.

Apparently you can't understand what I posted.  The verse I posted says in part "the evidence of things not seen".  How is that no evidence?  It is evidence to the person who has the right faith.  We can't see Jesus rise from the dead with our physical eyes, but Christians believe it because the Bible says he did and many eyewitnesses saw him after he was resurrected.  

You drink water because you believe it is safe to do so.  That is faith.

You drive through an intersection with a green light because you believe everyone else will stop for the red light.  That is faith.

The evidence that God created the universe is there before our eyes.  It is the evidence that complex things exist, things that required an intelligent designer, Creator.  The bird, animals, plants, flowers, and of course, humans.  

The Bible is full of supernatural events which occurred and which we believe happened.  That is faith.  There is no reason for not believing certain things by faith.  Faith is also a gift of God.  Some do not have faith for whatever reason.  The Bible says "17  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."  Romans 10:17 KJV

The Bible says without faith it is impossible to please God.  The evidence for faith is not an absolute thing.  But it is not really correct to say faith has no evidence or to say it is not a reliable path to truth.  That is a false claim.  The King James Bible of 1611 is full of evidence that it came from God.  

 

[User]

17 hours ago, French Patriot said:

It is the moral version of Christianity. We like to argue to win our moral positions. 

This doesn't explain anything. What makes Christianity not moral and you're being a "Gnostic Christian" moral?

17 hours ago, French Patriot said:

All Christianity ever had was inquisitions.

This is not all Christianity ever had. 

17 hours ago, French Patriot said:

Why do you think Christianity made the Bible illegal to read for so long? 

It didn't. 

17 hours ago, French Patriot said:

So many dying for the murderous God you promote.

You claim to be a "Gnostic Christian," what god is it you believe in?

What makes God murderous?

17 hours ago, French Patriot said:

Oops. A thinking question. Pease ignore. Wrong recipient.

You have yet to prove you have anything more than surface-level deep assertions that you won't defend. 

[User]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Exactly.  Faith has no evidence.  I can believe anything based on faith.  Faith is not a reliable path to truth.

No, Faith can have evidence. There can also be blind faith as well. 

If I have a quarter, but put it behind my back, and then pull out both hands closed and tell you the quarter is in my left hand... you can have faith or not that I do in fact have a quarter in my left hand. However, you do have evidence that I clearly have a hand, you know me to some extent, you seen the quarter at one point... it is not completely free of any evidence at all. 

Then you go too far to make a complete non-sequitur that faith is not a reliable path to truth. 

[TreeBeard]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

It is evidence to the person who has the right faith.

I have faith that all religious people are delusional.  Wouldn’t it be better to gather evidence to find the truth?  I can believe any crazy thing on faith.