French Patriot Posted October 2 Report Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 10:19 AM, User said: I have clearly read it more than you have. Again, this is your stupid argument. You make it. And you did not counter it. Stupid. Quote
User Posted October 2 Report Posted October 2 Just now, French Patriot said: And you did not counter it. Stupid. You have given nothing to counter. You made a baseless assertion, lets see your argument to back it up. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
French Patriot Posted October 2 Report Posted October 2 3 minutes ago, User said: You have given nothing to counter. You made a baseless assertion, lets see your argument to back it up. I have no time for the stupid and incompetent apologists. Quote
User Posted October 2 Report Posted October 2 29 minutes ago, French Patriot said: I have no time for the stupid and incompetent apologists. You mean, you have no time to actually provide an argument beyond making the baseless assertion. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
SkyHigh Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 On 9/29/2024 at 2:45 PM, User said: This is such a loaded question A loaded question? Seriously google terms before using them A loaded question is A ) a question Pi =3.14.... is the opposite of a question it's a mathematical constant, which is essentially the only thing that can be proved by science. B ) "loaded" in this sense means added a disputed premis into a question, ie; when did you stop beating your wife. π of course is not in dispute and again not a question. Proof that the Bible got things wrong was the issue and the Bible ( or in your opinion the infaillible word of a tri omni God) doesn't even get basic geometry right. Science 1 Bible 0 Wanna go another round? What's the smallest seed? Quote
User Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 54 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: A loaded question? Seriously google terms before using them Why don't you look at how you prefaced what it meant if someone answered a certain way... I understand just fine. 55 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: Wanna go another round? You never went the first one. Here is my post again. Feel free to actually respond to it this time: The Bible doesn't say PI isn't 3.14... nor does it prescribe what PI is. The Bible was not providing some mathematical proof with drawings and calculations at all. You are talking about where a description is given of how a cylindrical container was built. You are making some presumptions here to skew what is being done here. It is not a math problem, it is a laymen description of something being built. No where are they saying it was precisely X diameter and precisely Y circumference and that this thus proves PI = 3. Its like me telling some friends about a project I had in my garage. Telling them I built wooden circle and it was 30 feet around and 10 foot in diameter... you come along and say that I am trying to tell people PI = 3... or maybe in lay talk people give approximate figures when speaking, I didn't explain that it was really 30 feet 10 5/16th inches around and 9 feet 11 15/16th inches around measured with exact precision with my micrometer! (just throwing out numbers here to demonstrate the absurdity of this) This whole line of argument is just done by someone so pathetically desperate to come up with something to criticize The Bible over. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
SkyHigh Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 1 hour ago, User said: Why don't you look at how you prefaced what it meant if someone answered a certain way... I understand just fine. You never went the first one. Here is my post again. Feel free to actually respond to it this time: The Bible doesn't say PI isn't 3.14... nor does it prescribe what PI is. The Bible was not providing some mathematical proof with drawings and calculations at all. You are talking about where a description is given of how a cylindrical container was built. You are making some presumptions here to skew what is being done here. It is not a math problem, it is a laymen description of something being built. No where are they saying it was precisely X diameter and precisely Y circumference and that this thus proves PI = 3. Its like me telling some friends about a project I had in my garage. Telling them I built wooden circle and it was 30 feet around and 10 foot in diameter... you come along and say that I am trying to tell people PI = 3... or maybe in lay talk people give approximate figures when speaking, I didn't explain that it was really 30 feet 10 5/16th inches around and 9 feet 11 15/16th inches around measured with exact precision with my micrometer! (just throwing out numbers here to demonstrate the absurdity of this) This whole line of argument is just done by someone so pathetically desperate to come up with something to criticize The Bible over. Okie dokie an all powerful God can't do math. You go with that I will agree with you that the Bible has about the same understanding of reality as you "just throwing out numbers" ( most likely because you can't do the actual math either) does. Weird how the creator of the universe can't make a circle, or a boat for that matter. Just to be clear, I think there are many wonderful things in the Bible, but people like you that argue the ridiculous aspects of it like 6 day creation, Noah's ark, tower of Babel, Exodus. Etc.... not only make it impossible for a rational person to hear the positive side but actually push people away from the teachings of Jesus everyone should hear. Honestly though, I hope you continue, most (if not all) of those teachings can be found (if not improved) through secular humanism. So please don't stop freeing people from the bounds of religion. The logical amongst us thank you Quote
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 On 10/2/2024 at 10:12 PM, SkyHigh said: Okie dokie an all powerful God can't do math. You go with that Where do you get God can't do math from? Nothing I posted here, nor The Bible, shows that God was doing a math problem here. On 10/2/2024 at 10:12 PM, SkyHigh said: I will agree with you that the Bible has about the same understanding of reality as you "just throwing out numbers" ( most likely because you can't do the actual math either) does. I don't need to do any math here to illustrate the point. You can't refute the point, so you have to come up with some excuse to ignore it. On 10/2/2024 at 10:12 PM, SkyHigh said: Weird how the creator of the universe can't make a circle, or a boat for that matter. Again, where do you get that the Creator of the universe can't make a circle from here? On 10/2/2024 at 10:12 PM, SkyHigh said: Just to be clear, I think there are many wonderful things in the Bible, but people like you that argue the ridiculous aspects of it like 6 day creation, Noah's ark, tower of Babel, Exodus. Etc.... not only make it impossible for a rational person to hear the positive side but actually push people away from the teachings of Jesus everyone should hear. Just to be clear, you have not actually responded to my argument and are apparently unable to, so you are just throwing more mud at the wall to obfuscate. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
SkyHigh Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, User said: Where do you get God can't do math from? Nothing I posted here, nor The Bible, shows that God was doing a math problem here. I don't need to do any math here to illustrate the point. You can't refute the point, so you have to come up with some excuse to ignore it. Again, where do you get that the Creator of the universe can't make a circle from here? Just to be clear, you have not actually responded to my argument and are apparently unable to, so you are just throwing more mud at the wall to obfuscate. No sir, you made a statement "the bible gets nothing wrong" I clearly showed it did. Making something circular without the constant of π is literally impossible. It's analogous to the bible (therefore god) saying 2+2=5 . it's demonstrably wrong. Quote
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 28 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: No sir, you made a statement "the bible gets nothing wrong" I clearly showed it did. I did not make that statement. The Bible was written over a span of some 1500 years by about 40 or so authors and those authors understood the world based upon the understanding of science at the time and explained things through such language of the time. Of course it gets some stuff wrong as we understand things today. You did not show anything wrong in regards to PI. I clearly explained the dishonesty of your argument. 31 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: Making something circular without the constant of π is literally impossible. It's analogous to the bible (therefore god) saying 2+2=5 . it's demonstrably wrong. Even now... you keep dishonestly framing this. The Bible did not make something circular without PI. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
SkyHigh Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 1 hour ago, User said: I did not make that statement. The Bible was written over a span of some 1500 years by about 40 or so authors and those authors understood the world based upon the understanding of science at the time and explained things through such language of the time. Of course it gets some stuff wrong as we understand things today. You did not show anything wrong in regards to PI. I clearly explained the dishonesty of your argument. Even now... you keep dishonestly framing this. The Bible did not make something circular without PI. Ok you just keep lying about what the Bible says. Funny though you just admitted to the fact that the information in the Bible was written by people that lacked a basic understanding of science. So either the Bible isn't the word of an all powerful God, or god is such a poor communicatior he can't relay information that is fundamental to understanding reality, ergo, nothing in the Bible can be trusted. Quote
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: Ok you just keep lying about what the Bible says. What is the lie here? Explain. 6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: Funny though you just admitted to the fact that the information in the Bible was written by people that lacked a basic understanding of science. So either the Bible isn't the word of an all powerful God, or god is such a poor communicatior he can't relay information that is fundamental to understanding reality, ergo, nothing in the Bible can be trusted. Basic understanding of science... for their time. Someone in the year 100 AD is going to have the basic understanding of science of someone in the year 100 AD, not in the year 2024. What do you mean by "word of an all powerful God?" You have yet to offer any example of something that is fundamental to understanding reality that was not communicated clearly. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
SkyHigh Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 20 minutes ago, User said: What is the lie here? Explain. Basic understanding of science... for their time. Someone in the year 100 AD is going to have the basic understanding of science of someone in the year 100 AD, not in the year 2024. What do you mean by "word of an all powerful God?" You have yet to offer any example of something that is fundamental to understanding reality that was not communicated clearly. So god only knows how the world works after we discover it. Your god doesn't sound very smart. Pi is a mathematical constant that is fundamental to our understanding of the universe Quote
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 18 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: So god only knows how the world works after we discover it. Your god doesn't sound very smart. Pi is a mathematical constant that is fundamental to our understanding of the universe I did not say anything about God only knowing things as the world works after we discover it. It helps if you stop making these strawman arguments and actually respond to what I say. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
eyeball Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 1 hour ago, User said: Basic understanding of science... for their time. Someone in the year 100 AD is going to have the basic understanding of science of someone in the year 100 AD, not in the year 2024. Would you say the bible needs to be revised to bring it up to speed and in line with modern knowledge? If what you said about the original authors is true I fail to see why they would object. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Would you say the bible needs to be revised to bring it up to speed and in line with modern knowledge? If what you said about the original authors is true I fail to see why they would object. The Bible has been updated in various versions to better communicate in modern language. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
SkyHigh Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 29 minutes ago, User said: I did not say anything about God only knowing things as the world works after we discover it. It helps if you stop making these strawman arguments and actually respond to what I say. I'm sorry if you can't except the conclusions that your views lead to but that's how logic works. I'll try in question from If god knows all (please correct me if this is not your opinion) then why not convey that knowledge on those that wrote the Bible? Quote
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 4 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: I'm sorry if you can't except the conclusions that your views lead to but that's how logic works. You are not getting to any conclusion based on what I say, rather the things you make up to argue against. 4 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: If god knows all (please correct me if this is not your opinion) then why not convey that knowledge on those that wrote the Bible? It's a bit of a philosophical question now. You might as well ask me why Einstein didn't help someone else develop the theory of relativity instead of doing it himself. What is your point? Why do you keep making up crap to argue against that I didn't say? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
eyeball Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 39 minutes ago, User said: The Bible has been updated in various versions to better communicate in modern language. Really? It still insists the universe only took 6 days to create. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: Really? It still insists the universe only took 6 days to create. And? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
eyeball Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 3 minutes ago, User said: And? You tell me. 53 minutes ago, User said: The Bible has been updated in various versions to better communicate in modern language. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: You tell me. Tell you what? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
eyeball Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 Just now, User said: Tell you what? 57 minutes ago, User said: The Bible has been updated in various versions to better communicate in modern language. Where and when nn the 7th day perhaps? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Where and when nn the 7th day perhaps? Perhaps what? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
eyeball Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 13 minutes ago, User said: Perhaps what? Your Bible's last update. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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