Dougie93 Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 16 minutes ago, Black Dog said: See, this is why you need to get out of your right wing information bubble and actually listen to what centre-left people actually believe. who cares what the "centre-left" bourgeoisie believe ? they're not going to take any action, they will do as they are told the culture war is right vs. left, the centre is irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: who cares what the "centre-left" bourgeoisie believe ? they're not going to take any action, they will do as they are told the culture war is right vs. left, the centre is irrelevant Besides the point. Also take your meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted March 14 Author Report Share Posted March 14 41 minutes ago, taxesanddeath said: There is no hate speech from the libs or SJWs, only conservatives with wicked tongue. It seems who controls the media controls the narrative, Although they are a minority in Canada (and the US) those who call themselves progressives tend to congregate in non-productive areas like government, academia, and the media. Thus the media and the 'message' of our mainstream tends to be almost entirely that of the progressive elites viewpoint on social justice issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 44 minutes ago, taxesanddeath said: There is no hate speech from the libs or SJWs, only conservatives with wicked tongue. It seems who controls the media controls the narrative, You mean like the CBC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 7 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Besides the point. Also take your meds. not at tall the central point is that the bourgeois centre has been terrorized into silence thus they are totally irrelevant the right should concentrate its forces on crushing the left in a counterrevolution never mind the cowards, sycophants, cronies & traitors of the bourgeoisie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted March 14 Author Report Share Posted March 14 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Social justice and progress are good things. The problem is that some of the work taking place under the auspices of social justice and progress are actually top-down oppressive, economically damaging, and the opposite of justice. That’s why we have to be very careful to look at the details of policies and potential unintended consequences. Z, that's a great opening line for me to introduce something I just found out on the news tonight. Unless you have a very young child, you probably haven't paid a ton of attention to the federal government's daycare subsidy rollout. Maybe you just thought, well, it will cost billions, but it's probably a good thing, and paid no more attention to it. What I found out on the news is that this daycare subsidy is available to parents earning up to $180,000 a year. Like, WTF!? Why is it so high!? Also, it's not really for white people. Did you think otherwise? Oh well. It's not like they broadcast the fact. "The federal government has made a requirement of the provinces to focus their growth on underrepresented groups that have historically low number of spaces relative to their population, so we are prioritizing our growth," said education minister Stephen Lecce. Which means, unlike the first year of the program, not all centres who want to opt-in can do so. According to a letter from the City of Ottawa obtained by CTV News, some daycare providers are being told they cannot opt-in as the province prioritizes spaces for Indigenous, low-income and diverse communities. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/universal-childcare-not-so-universal-according-to-ontario-government-1.6808204 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: The poster you're responding to is repeating a falsehood, and confusing harassment with legal sanctions against insults. Go ahead and call people whatever you like. You'll be fine. Not if you say it online. They can file a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, at no cost to them. They can even do it anonymously. 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: People need to take a breath. When Poilievre gets elected he won't be able to make any changes on the scale necessary to change how these things are happening. Well, he could rescind the bill. Or he could just abolish the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. I can't see where it's really needed anymore in this day and age. There are no such organizations in the US and they get along fine with just a court system to redress the same issues. Edited March 14 by I am Groot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 26 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: not at tall the central point is that the bourgeois centre has been terrorized into silence thus they are totally irrelevant the right should concentrate its forces on crushing the left in a counterrevolution never mind the cowards, sycophants, cronies & traitors of the bourgeoisie Weird to see a simp for monarchy talk about the bourgeoisie like its a bad thing, but then i don't expect someone as clearly and deeply mentally ill as you to be consistent. You should get help tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, I am Groot said: 1. Well, he could rescind the bill. Or he could just abolish the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. I can't see where it's really needed anymore in this day and age. There are no such organizations in the US and they get along fine with just a court system to redress the same issues. 1. I agree. But there are still many areas that would continue, under provincial government jurisdictions or from previous legislation or court cases. It doesn't matter. At this point I am really looking forward to an end of the Anti Canada hyperbole... Canada is irreparably broken etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Weird to see a simp for monarchy talk about the bourgeoisie like its a bad thing, but then i don't expect someone as clearly and deeply mentally ill as you to be consistent. You should get help tho. there is no reason for the right to make any concessions to the centre left as the centre left are being taken out by the far left the right should make no concessions to the left at all because the right is going to win the war in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted March 15 Author Report Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: It doesn't matter. At this point I am really looking forward to an end of the Anti Canada hyperbole... Canada is irreparably broken etc. The anti-Canada hyperbole has been going strong for at least a decade, mostly coming from the Left, from our prime minister, from his government, and from a variety of Left wing, indigenous, and racial activist groups. The kind of thing which might well be shut down as 'hate speech' under the new law. Daring to question the idea that Canada committed genocide against natives due to the 'mass graves' found at former residential schools. https://tnc.news/2024/03/11/op-ed-indigenous-mass-graves-and-genocide-libels2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: See, this is why you need to get out of your right wing information bubble and actually listen to what centre-left people actually believe. Hell, even just read history because then you'd know that MacDonald didn't withhold food from Indigenous people to prevent them from being dependent on the government, but to force them onto reserves where they would become dependent on government handouts. They really didn’t know what to do. Integration, if it was even possible, meant giving up ways of life. Preservation of the old ways , which wasn’t fully possible, would mean having a relatively prosperous society alongside a much harsher one. The reserve system was a compromise. The topic is too big for a few paragraphs and requires ample reading about the Indian Act, treaty histories, the failed attempt by the Brits and Indigenous allies to create an Indigenous state (which fell apart in the compromise that ended the War of 1812). The people who whine today about colonization are the same people who push current immigration policy, which is colonization on steroids. Basically a society of hypocrites who don’t know their history (and by society I mean every cultural and racial group) aren’t really able to get their heads in contexts that no longer exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Basically a society of hypocrites who don’t know their history doomed to be overrun by the American republican at the gates therein the Heights of Queenston have finally fallen glory, glory hallelujah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, I am Groot said: Z, that's a great opening line for me to introduce something I just found out on the news tonight. Unless you have a very young child, you probably haven't paid a ton of attention to the federal government's daycare subsidy rollout. Maybe you just thought, well, it will cost billions, but it's probably a good thing, and paid no more attention to it. What I found out on the news is that this daycare subsidy is available to parents earning up to $180,000 a year. Like, WTF!? Why is it so high!? Also, it's not really for white people. Did you think otherwise? Oh well. It's not like they broadcast the fact. "The federal government has made a requirement of the provinces to focus their growth on underrepresented groups that have historically low number of spaces relative to their population, so we are prioritizing our growth," said education minister Stephen Lecce. Which means, unlike the first year of the program, not all centres who want to opt-in can do so. According to a letter from the City of Ottawa obtained by CTV News, some daycare providers are being told they cannot opt-in as the province prioritizes spaces for Indigenous, low-income and diverse communities. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/universal-childcare-not-so-universal-according-to-ontario-government-1.6808204 Not if you say it online. They can file a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, at no cost to them. They can even do it anonymously. Well, he could rescind the bill. Or he could just abolish the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. I can't see where it's really needed anymore in this day and age. There are no such organizations in the US and they get along fine with just a court system to redress the same issues. Well that’s one of the main reasons that I can no longer tolerate the Liberals and the NDP, because I don’t believe in programs that we all pay into only being available to select groups. Even the phrase “means tested” makes a sickening socialist noise. Why should all these gold plated programs only be available to the segment of the population that pays less for these programs than anyone else? Obviously the rich don’t need some of these programs, so they probably shouldn’t qualify for some of them, but they’re paying more for these programs than anyone. The federal daycare program isn’t really working. Edited March 15 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The people who whine today about colonization are the same people who push current immigration policy, which is colonization on steroids. never mind that the whole Pretendian "Indigenous Reconciliation" dogma is really just the paternalistic Victorian "Residential Schools" of the 21st century Canadian Victorians just can't help themselves from trying to "civilize" the "indigenous" in this iteration to turn them into Woke Progressive Marxist Leninist lunatics at the Universities 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: doomed to be overrun by the American republican at the gates therein the Heights of Queenston have finally fallen glory, glory hallelujah Well you know how it ended: The Yanks burned down Newark and York in Canada then the Brits burned down Lewiston to Buffalo and Washington DC. They were stopped at Baltimore. They also failed to take New Orleans, where we see the career of Andrew Jackson kick into high gear. The Yanks defeated or betrayed the Indians in the south, but the Indians were brutal too. The wave of Manifest Destiny had a certain inevitability as people kept coming and setting farther west. They still are. Colonization continues in overdrive, and the Indians are profiting Big Time, either on the socialist end shaking down government through shame or the capitalist end selling and developing property and resources, running contraband tobacco and guns, or joining the settlers and beating them at their own game. Edited March 15 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: well in this case it is ending without a decisive battle rather the American republic has easily overrun Canada, nary a shot fired, by Apple IPhone the Confederacy that won the war and lived to tell the tale wiped out in an afternoon by Silicon Valley not going to happen, already happened, some years ago actually I knew Apple would probably be this powerful, when I first encountered it forty years ago Canada conquered by a single American corporation, which wasn't even trying and didn't even notice True, though the smart phone was created in Waterloo, Canada by Blackberry. The Yanks can’t take away that distinction. Apple just made a cooler phone. Blackberry Messenger is still the superior texter. The War of 1812 was a stalemate, but by the end of it the Americans built a real navy and the Federalist and Democrat-Republican parties united in the cause of completing the American Revolution. However, the English and French in Canada united against the US, so that War consolidated two distinct North Americas, one under the Crown and one a republic. Edited March 15 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The War of 1812 was a stalemate no, the British won the war of 1812 but then in the Civil War, America became a juggernaut which dwarfed the British Empire itself at which point Britain was forced to concede at the strategic level : "if you can't beat them, join them" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: no, the British won the war of 1812 but then in the Civil War, America became a juggernaut which dwarfed the British Empire itself at which point Britain was forced to concede at the strategic level : "if you can't beat them, join them" It’s incredible how powerful the British navy was in North America, especially after Napoleon was shut down. They blockaded the US ports and sent around 20 ships near Baltimore after sacking Washington, but the Yanks put up enough resistance to make a treaty worth signing that left the borders where they were at the start of the war. The Brits could’ve taken more, but they left their forts on the US side and let the trade flow that helped both countries dominate the next two centuries. God Bless America and God Save the King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: The people who whine today about colonization are the same people who push current immigration policy, which is colonization on steroids. Basically a society of hypocrites who don’t know their history (and by society I mean every cultural and racial group) aren’t really able to get their heads in contexts that no longer exist. TFW you don't know what colonization means. 11 hours ago, Dougie93 said: never mind that the whole Pretendian "Indigenous Reconciliation" dogma is really just the paternalistic Victorian "Residential Schools" of the 21st century Canadian Victorians just can't help themselves from trying to "civilize" the "indigenous" in this iteration to turn them into Woke Progressive Marxist Leninist lunatics at the Universities I'm not joking when i say you need serious psychological help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 17 minutes ago, Black Dog said: TFW you don't know what colonization means. I'm not joking when i say you need serious psychological help. BS. Stop pretending you’re a special victim and purveyor of justice. You’re just as responsible for your productivity and happiness as anyone else here. Also what’s with your nickname? Should I call myself White-assed Honky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: BS. Stop pretending you’re a special victim and purveyor of justice. You’re just as responsible for your productivity and happiness as anyone else here. What are you even talking about? I think your conflation if immigration and colonization is bizarre and ahistorical is all. Quote Also what’s with your nickname? Should I call myself White-assed Honky? I mean, if you want, but my handle has nothing to do with race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Black Dog said: What are you even talking about? I think your conflation if immigration and colonization is bizarre and ahistorical is all. I mean, if you want, but my handle has nothing to do with race. No, immigration and colonization are identical, just as they were 400 years ago. If you were one of the femmes de roi coming to New France to help populate 400 years ago, you would see yourself as an immigrant seeking opportunity in a mostly empty land. You would only worry about Indians from a safety perspective, namely yours. The Pakistanis and Nigerians coming here today want better lives just as they did, and the government thinks it’s helping people just as they thought they were then. The colonialism narrative is a political perspective that can be debated, but it’s largely written after the fact of early settlement and discussed by people with the luxury to do so. If you don’t think that blacks were attacking each other or keeping slaves in Africa or that Indigenous weren’t doing similar things before and when Europeans arrived, I’ve got some land in Tuktoyuktuk that might interest you. Edited March 15 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: No, immigration and colonization are identical, just as they were 400 years ago. If you were one of the femmes de roi coming to New France to help populate 400 years ago, you would see yourself as an immigrant seeking opportunity in a mostly empty land. You would only worry about Indians from a safety perspective, namely yours. The Pakistanis and Nigerians coming here today want better lives just as they did, and the government thinks it’s helping people just as they thought they were then. The colonialism narrative is a political perspective that can be debated, but it’s largely written after the fact of early settlement and discussed by people with the luxury to do so. Wrong and your chosen examples illustrate why. The filles du roi was an explicitly imperialist/colonialist project designed to increase the French population and assert French claims over an already occupied land. How individuals participating in that project viewed themselves is irrelevant. No foreign power is paying today's migrants to come here with the explicit motivation of occupying the land and asserting a claim upon it. Quote If you don’t think that blacks were attacking each other or keeping slaves in Africa or that Indigenous weren’t doing similar things before and when Europeans arrived, I’ve got some land in Tuktoyuktuk that might interest you. Wtf does this have to do with anything? Edited March 15 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Wrong and your chosen examples illustrate why. The filles du roi was an explicitly imperialist/colonialist project designed to increase the French population and assert French claims over an already occupied land. How individuals participating in that project viewed themselves is irrelevant. Wtf does this have to do with anything? No, you don’t understand context. The people of 400 years ago thought that they were doing good and just things, bringing the light of civilization to the world and creating opportunities. Today’s governments and settlers think that they are doing the same thing and will be judged just as unfairly by the Black Dog of 2224 as you’re judging the early colonial settlers. Oh, and my guess is that you would’ve been there among the French missionaries trying to save the “savages” just before the Iroquois barrelled through your door and slaughtered you rather savagely. Self-righteous fakeness and hypocrisy doesn’t sit well. Have some honesty and humility. Edited March 15 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Black Dog said: TFW you don't know what colonization means. It means that the left has chosen another word to twist out of context and use as a pejorative in their racist hatred that they will promote as social justice. Quote I'm not joking when i say you need serious psychological help. It's foolish to argue with the voice of experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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