Haïti Canadian province

[Aristides]

Sounds like Haiti is the place for you.

[Legato]

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

For you banks stealing billions in Canada is nothing

Depends on how the funds are stolen.

If there are lawful and legal loopholes, kind of how there are three main phone services providers in Canada because they are a monopoly allowing them to do so, your point is invalid.

They are using legal loopholes to shaft you, lawfully.

Doesn't make it right, but the corruption isn't on the same level. Certaibly doesn't make it illegal.

Same way I know how to lower my taxes by lawful loopholes many Canadians are aware about.

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

but a policeman who gets 10 bucks in haïti a big crime

No. A police officer breaking the law, is a big crime.

A police officer charging "taxes" to gangs, to allow then to operate with impunity is a crime. 

Opening fire on civilians, and killing indiscriminately. Thats a crime.

Politicians using gangs to intimidate the population, but then having such gangs push back forcing them to bribe these same gangs to buy peace which only gets more expensive over time.

I could go on. You clearly have never stepped foot in Haiti.

Thank your lucky stars on that.

How you feel, and what is, are vastly different. You feel Haiti is just as corrupt as Canada. Facts and statistics think different, putting Haiti closer to countries like Somalia. 

If you think Somalia and Haiti are the same as Canada which is why people are willing to die for the mere chance to get here, you're beyond my help.

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Canada and US are the more corrupted countries in the world.

While both are plagued by corruption, what you're stating isn't supported by any evidence. 

We have a system of laws that actually get applied, contrary as to what you would see in Haiti, where those same laws are decorative in nature.

It boggles my mind how you legit believe both are the same.

What so you feel are the odds of seeing a woman being accused of being a witch, getting necklaced (RE tires around your neck and arms), soaked in fuel, and lit ablaze while the crowd roars with glee, as you hear shrieks that stay with you for life, in Canada?

How likely do you feel seeing this in Haiti is? Seeing a naked, mutilated corpse, rotting and being eaten by hungry animals?

This, is what you feel is the same...

[WestCanMan]

France is probably the best country to help them out.

They obviously speak the language, and last I knew they still have a 60-personnel military force - air, land and sea - that they can send anywhere in the world within 2 weeks. 

And Haiti is their problem iirc. 

[ironstone]

On 3/10/2024 at 11:40 AM, Gaétan said:

Trudeau or Poilievre don't represent Canadians but the cia but now let's about making Haiti a Canadian province

Can you explain what happened to the billions in aid money that went to Haiti? What did it accomplish?

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

For you banks stealing billions in Canada is nothing, but a policeman who gets 10 bucks in haïti a big crime. Canada is billions times more corrupted than Haïti. Canada and US are the more corrupted countries in the world.

How do you run a society without functioning institutions of governance, banking, etc.?  The people in these institutions need stable incomes to operate.  No one makes people borrow money from banks, but certainly if you want to invest and get ahead, you will likely have to borrow money in the form of a mortgage and business loan.  Why should anyone loan you money interest free? It’s a nice thing to do but unsustainable.  People default all the time.  It’s why we have insurance.  In fact our economy is partly built on the small difference in interest rates between what the Bank of Canada charges banks to borrow money and the higher interest rates the banks charge the public.  Without that difference, there are no banks, no loans, no business investment, and probably next to no home ownership.  You can’t blame Trudeau or Biden for this.

Put another way, would you rather not have to pay taxes and bank interest and live in a poverty stricken hell-hole or a country where roads and buildings are clean and safe and in good repair?

Would you rather pay a bit more in taxes to have well paid police who don’t take bribes or live in a corrupt and de facto lawless society run by gangs and thugs?

Canada wins on safety and stability.  Even in terms of financial opportunity, Canada does very well. You may not be able to get as rich as quickly in Canada as some places, but you probably don’t have to worry about being killed or having your possessions robbed as most of those more opportunistic places.

Edited March 11, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Can you explain what happened to the billions in aid money that went to Haiti? What did it accomplish?

For politicians and their construction company friends, or for Haitians? 

You gotta be specific because the answer is completely different. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

For you banks stealing billions in Canada is nothing, but a policeman who gets 10 bucks in haïti a big crime. Canada is billions times more corrupted than Haïti. Canada and US are the more corrupted countries in the world.

Do the banks in Canada help people buy real estate? What do Haitian banks do for Haitian people? 

When police in Haiti accept bribes, does that put citizens in physical danger? Sure it does, because bad things happen to them if they don't pay, and ending up in a Haitian jail is a threat to your physical safety. 

When there's so much police corruption on the ground in Haiti, businesses can't operate. Can't.

Would you buy an ice cream shop on main St in Port au Prince for $2K USD? Would you buy the same shop on Yonge St in Toronto for $2K? Of course. 

No one likes corruption here, but this isn't a failed state. Haiti is a failed state.

Shouldn't you be out supporting terrorists somewhere?

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Gaétan said:

It seems insane to me to believe that individuals like Trudeau, Macron or Biden would do anything for Haiti other than put their people in more misery and the opposite would surprise me.

Billions of dollars have been sent to Haiti and what have they done with all that money? Sweet dyk all. It all went into the pockets of the Haitian politicians and gawd knows who else. It's up to the people of Haiti to fix their problems. Why does the west have to always solve non-western problems all the time? Either they get their chit together or stfu. Works for me. 😁

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Can you explain what happened to the billions in aid money that went to Haiti? What did it accomplish?

I just mention that Canada and US are the most corrupted countries in the world, doesn't it give you an idea where the money is lost? Anyone who tries to get a document on this will find it all crossed out

Edited March 11, 2024 by Gaétan

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Anyone who tries to get a document on this will find it all crossed out

How do we know its the right document?

Also, highly unlikely to find it:

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[Guest]

Gaetan's argument:

"Canada is way more corrupt than Haiti. Guaranteed. That's a fact. Documents would get rubbed out, but everyone knows it."

"It being listed among some of the least corrupt, is irrelevant, because I know that is false. There are documents for sure. Trust me"

You're the used car salesman of debate:

"Why is the bumper crooked"

Don't worry bawt-it. We gon' get you fixed up, badda boom badda bing" *wink*

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Gaetan's argument:

"Canada is way more corrupt than Haiti. Guaranteed. That's a fact. Documents would get rubbed out, but everyone knows it."

"It being listed among some of the least corrupt, is irrelevant, because I know that is false. There are documents for sure. Trust me"

You're the used car salesman of debate:

"Why is the bumper crooked"

Don't worry bawt-it. We gon' get you fixed up, badda boom badda bing" *wink*

What about canada's food and internet cartels. The corruption in Haïti is nothing compared to Canadian rackets.

Edited March 11, 2024 by Gaétan

[JohnnyCanuck]

On 3/10/2024 at 7:17 AM, Gaétan said:

I propose that we send peacekeepers to Haiti who do not take sides with one clan or another, declare amnesty for criminals who wage war against each other, and have Haiti administered by Canadian officials and ask Haiti to become a Canadian province. We could grow fruit and generate tourism, and Haiti could benefit from Canadian institutions to rebuild the country, it would be a give-and-take.

'peacekeepers to Haiti.   No - no peace to keep - needs military clampdown first.

'declare amnesty for criminals who wage war against each other'   err - I don't think they will care and will continue fighting until disarmed by force.

'have Haiti administered by Canadian officials and ask Haiti to become a Canadian province'  Sorry to burst your bubble Gaetan , but Federal Canadian Officials cannot administer Canada competently, why would you wish them on another Country?.  I don't think we should bequeath the Phoenix Pay system to Haiti. 

'Canadian Institutions to rebuild the country'.  I am still waiting for those Canadian Institutions to replace the Tent Cities found in every major population area in Canada.  If they can't even do that, what makes you have faith that they could help Haiti.?

Sorry Gaetan but your ideas won't work imho.   I encourage you to first get your utopian ideas working here. Lets see a New Jerusalem built in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside - THEN move on to Haiti

 

[JohnnyCanuck]

On 3/11/2024 at 9:05 AM, ironstone said:

Can you explain what happened to the billions in aid money that went to Haiti? What did it accomplish?

Here is one explanation Haiti 10 years later: What happened to the billions pledged to help the people of Haiti? | Globalnews.ca