CdnFox Posted February 14 Author Report Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: That's not what the study says and the fact you think it does just highlights your illiteracy. Sure it is. The chart is right there. Across the board libs have more mental health issues. But - denial is probably one of them so i guess we'll have to be understanding about your inability to accept that Quote I linked to three different sites dummy. Nothing supports your claim Quote Either way, it's a good thing imo. Of course it is in your opinion - lefties are all about hatred and bigotry and violence towards those you don't agree with. Quote You're too dumb to understand why this is funny or how this scuttles your premise. Let's see if you can figure it out! Sigh. it doesn't. But i know why you think it does so lets go over it before your nap time. YOU think that because a fake site with fake data does not address whether dems or republicans have more mental health issues or not that this is somehow evidence that they don't. It isn't. All it is would be missing data. If all we had was that site, there would be no indication as to whether or not dems are more or less suceptible to suicidal thoughts. Could be either - we can't tell from the data. So it scuttles nothing. It's just incomplete. Of course you missed that. Further of course you're trying to pretend this is all about suicide, as if that's the only mental illness out there. It isn't of course so looking at just suicide rates wouldn't tell us anything about mental health in general. Quote Projection. KYS. Awww did it huwt yow fewwings? So - you're the only one who has wished death on others who disagree with them - twice now that you've said what a good thing it is when conservatives shoot themselves. And you think OTHERS have a mental health issue or are projecting LOLOLOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 (edited) 59 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sure it is. The chart is right there. Across the board libs have more mental health issues. But - denial is probably one of them so i guess we'll have to be understanding about your inability to accept that Again, that's not what the Pew study says. You can't read, can you? Quote Nothing supports your claim Just the higher suicide rates among demographic groups and areas that skew Republican. Quote Sigh. it doesn't. But i know why you think it does so lets go over it before your nap time. YOU think that because a fake site with fake data does not address whether dems or republicans have more mental health issues or not that this is somehow evidence that they don't. It isn't. All it is would be missing data. If all we had was that site, there would be no indication as to whether or not dems are more or less suceptible to suicidal thoughts. Could be either - we can't tell from the data. So it scuttles nothing. It's just incomplete. Of course you missed that. You're getting warmer. But will you get there without someone taking you by the neck and shoving your face in it? Quote Further of course you're trying to pretend this is all about suicide, as if that's the only mental illness out there. It isn't of course so looking at just suicide rates wouldn't tell us anything about mental health in general. I think a tendency among certain groups to canoe their heads with firearms is a reasonable proxy for assessing their mental health. Quote Awww did it huwt yow fewwings? So - you're the only one who has wished death on others who disagree with them - twice now that you've said what a good thing it is when conservatives shoot themselves. And you think OTHERS have a mental health issue or are projecting LOLOLOL If you and some of your fellow right wing freaks on this board are indicative of conservatives writ large, it truly is no loss to humanity when your kind paint the walls with your skull contents. Edited February 14 by Black Dog 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Again, that's not what the Pew study says. You can't read, can you? Of course it is- and better than you apparently. Every time you're losing an argument you suddenly have comprehension issues, how amazing. Quote Just the higher suicide rates among demographic groups and areas that skew Republican. Nope. Quote You're getting warmer. But will you get there without someone taking you by the neck and shoving your face in it? You mean you want to lie harder? Quote I think a tendency among certain groups to canoe their heads with firearms is a reasonable proxy for assessing their mental health. You think that because you're an 1diot. Nobody who is not an 1diot thinks that , And once again - you make claims with no evidence at all to support it Quote If you and some of your fellow right wing freaks on this board are indicative of conservatives writ large, it truly is no loss to humanity when your kind paint the walls with your skull contents. Awwww ... I get that your butt hurt but i'd think you'd be used to it by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 4 hours ago, CdnFox said: but hey - denial is probably just part of your mental health issues. Progressives are twice as likely as conservatives to admit they have a problem because they're more honest, especially with themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: Progressives are twice as likely as conservatives to admit they have a problem because they're more honest, especially with themselves. The fact that statement is a lie is deliriously ironic Honestly i don't think being a liberal gives you mental health issues - i think people who have mental health issues are drawn to the liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: The fact that statement is a lie is deliriously ironic It's an opinion you silly twat. It's hilarious you attach so much to what I say. I don't just live rent free in your head, I sublet! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 19 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's an opinion you silly twat. Most of your opinions are based on lies - why are you just acting up about it now? Quote It's hilarious you attach so much to what I say. Your lies are pretty hilarious so it makes sense Quote I don't just live rent free in your head, I sublet! Mentally you are homeless and someone stole your tent. You don't live anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 (edited) Jonathan Haidt has given a number of talks on this subject and I think he's onto more than a little something. The first 10 minutes tells you a lot. The first 20 minutes tells you a lot more. For those really interested. Edited February 15 by I am Groot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 (edited) 19 hours ago, CdnFox said: Of course it is- and better than you apparently. Every time you're losing an argument you suddenly have comprehension issues, how amazing. So you are illiterate. This survey doesn't speak to the probability of a given group having mental health issues, it speaks only to reported mental health issues. The fact you think it says conservatives have fewer mental health issues is just your own confirmation bias in action. Quote You think that because you're an 1diot. Nobody who is not an 1diot thinks that , And once again - you make claims with no evidence at all to support it "Just because someone kills themselves doesn't mean they have mental health issue" yeah ok man. Edited February 15 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 18 hours ago, CdnFox said: The fact that statement is a lie is deliriously ironic Honestly i don't think being a liberal gives you mental health issues - i think people who have mental health issues are drawn to the liberals. Why are conservatives drawn to blowing their own heads off? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, Black Dog said: So you are illiterate. What i said is i'm more literate than you. Now - i realize that it's entirely possible for someoen to be more literate than you and STILL be functionally illiterate so i can see your confusion but no. Quote This survey doesn't speak to the probability of a given group having mental health issues, it speaks only to reported mental health issues. Ok i get it, you don't understand how math works. What the survey reports is that representative samples of certain demographic groups display the following properties with regards to mental health. And that can be extrapolated to the larger population, just as every survey or poll does. Which means that the survey absolutely and without question does suggest that Democrats have higher instances of diagnosed cases of mental health issues. I know that it's hard for you to hear this and I don't want to make your current mental health issues any worse, but that does mean that Democrats do tend to have more mental health issues then conservatives Quote The fact you think it says conservatives have fewer mental health issues is just your own confirmation bias in action. No, it's math. Now I realize that in this day and age many people on the left believe that math is racist but actually it's not. Quote "Just because someone kills themselves doesn't mean they have mental health issue" yeah ok man. Yeah, nobody said that. Once again you are forced to lie because you cannot argue the facts or truth as they do not support your position. Yeah no sign of any mental health issues there or anything 5 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Why are conservatives drawn to blowing their own heads off? They spend a lot of time talking to democrats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: What i said is i'm more literate than you. Now - i realize that it's entirely possible for someoen to be more literate than you and STILL be functionally illiterate so i can see your confusion but no. Ok i get it, you don't understand how math works. What the survey reports is that representative samples of certain demographic groups display the following properties with regards to mental health. And that can be extrapolated to the larger population, just as every survey or poll does. Which means that the survey absolutely and without question does suggest that Democrats have higher instances of diagnosed cases of mental health issues. I know that it's hard for you to hear this and I don't want to make your current mental health issues any worse, but that does mean that Democrats do tend to have more mental health issues then conservatives No, it's math. Now I realize that in this day and age many people on the left believe that math is racist but actually it's not. Yeah, nobody said that. Once again you are forced to lie because you cannot argue the facts or truth as they do not support your position. Yeah no sign of any mental health issues there or anything They spend a lot of time talking to democrats Nope. B does not follow A here. I'll give you a hint: it's in the word "diagnosed". So the data only captures those who've seen a health care professional about their issues; those with mental health issues who do not do so won't be captured in this data, which means it's an incomplete picture of the prevalence of mental issues as a whole. Anyone with half a brain could see this, but alas, you don't qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 5 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Nope. B does not follow A here. It absolutely does. Sorry. A group of representative people were contacted and asked questions and sorted by their answers and this is what the data says. There is no indication whatsoever that one group or another would be more 'undiagnosed'. So we can still state that the data shows dems have more mental health issues. I get it - when you don't like something you and moon beam both pretend that english words don't mean what they do So it's no surprise to see you claim that data that says "this thing is true" AAACCCTUUUALLLYY is saying that it's not true, honest!! But yea - in the absence of any data demonstrating conservatives ate less likely to be diagnosed the study absolutely without a doubt says that dems have more mental health issues. At ALL age ranges. And that more than half of younger women dems struggle with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: There is no indication whatsoever that one group or another would be more 'undiagnosed'. So we can still state that the data shows dems have more mental health issues. "More likely to receive a diagnosis of mental health issues" is not the same as "more likely to experience mental health issues" and I'm genuinely sorry you're too stupid to know the difference. Edited February 15 by Black Dog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 50 minutes ago, Black Dog said: "More likely to receive a diagnosis of mental health issues" is not the same as "more likely to experience mental health issues" and I'm genuinely sorry you're too stupid to know the difference. ROFLMAO..... sure kiddo. You take care, get lots of rest and don't forget to take those meds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: ROFLMAO..... sure kiddo. You take care, get lots of rest and don't forget to take those meds Hey man just so you know if you ever start like coughing up blood, suddenly losing weight, or encountering mysterious lumps on your body, you should under no circumstances go see a doctor because they might diagnose you with cancer. if you don't get diagnosed, you won't have it and will be fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Hey man just so you know if you ever start like coughing up blood, suddenly losing weight, or encountering mysterious lumps on your body, you should under no circumstances go see a doctor because they might diagnose you with cancer. if you don't get diagnosed, you won't have it and will be fine. Wow. That is very specific. Voice of experience i take it? LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Wow. That is very specific. Voice of experience i take it? LOL! Wow, you are laughing at a person that may have been diagnosed with cancer??? Pretty low, even for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Wow, you are laughing at a person that may have been diagnosed with cancer??? Sure - just because they're sick doesn't mean they're not hilarious. As previously noted he statistically is more likely to have a mental health issue and i was laughing at him then too. Maybe he'll find the laughter therapeutic Quote Pretty low, even for you. You know me - I'm always striving to push my limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Wow. That is very specific. Voice of experience i take it? LOL! I literally googled "cancer symptoms" and picked three you simpleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 29 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sure - just because they're sick doesn't mean they're not hilarious. As previously noted he statistically is more likely to have a mental health issue and i was laughing at him then too. Maybe he'll find the laughter therapeutic You know me - I'm always striving to push my limits. Still a very low thing to laugh at a person that may have been diagnosed with cancer. Some things you just don't joke about. As a cancer survivor, it is never out of my mind as it can always come back.... not amusing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Still a very low thing to laugh at a person that may have been diagnosed with cancer. Some things you just don't joke about. As a cancer survivor, it is never out of my mind as it can always come back.... not amusing at all. Don't be silly. Hey i'm glad you won your fight against cancer and all and i'm sorry if it left you a little emotionally scarred but give me a break. He was the one who brought it up in the first place trying to insult me. Yeash - people are going to think YOU have a mental health issue. Wait... you ARE a bit of a leftie... my god this is the most accurate research paper EVER!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 (edited) On 2/14/2024 at 12:22 PM, CdnFox said: So your first argument is that if a doctor tells you that you have a mental health condition that this is not a diagnosis. Correct. Family doctors and nurses for example don’t diagnose mental illness, they refer you to a specialist On 2/14/2024 at 12:22 PM, CdnFox said: If a doctor tells you that you have a condition, that is pretty much by definition a diagnosis. They may want you to see a specialist who can help you choose the best TREATMENT or investigate your diagnosed mental health condition in more detail but if a doctor says "you have a mental health issue' then yes - you've been diagnosed with a mental health issue Not correct, for reasons stated above. On 2/14/2024 at 12:22 PM, CdnFox said: So? So just stating these facts for the record, since any insinuation that liberalism is due to mental illness or that conservatism is due to sanity. Im sure you’re going to deny insinuating that so I guess I probably just could have responded to your OP with “so?” if you’re not trying to make a larger point. On 2/14/2024 at 12:22 PM, CdnFox said: No we don't - Show me THAT research. Where are you seeing a study that proves that? That’s Common knowledge, but here you go from just the first few google hits: Males: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7444121/ https://www.hrh.ca/2022/06/16/breaking-the-stigma-mens-mental-health/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8832600/ https://www.butler.org/blog/breaking-the-stigma-of-mens-mental-health?hs_amp=true Conservatives: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0020764015589131 https://www.psypost.org/2016/03/conservative-people-tended-hold-stigmatized-beliefs-mentally-ill-41921#:~:text=Previous research has found conservatives,and hostility toward stigmatized groups. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6600024/ Age: https://adaa.org/college-aged-adults-face-less-mental-health-stigma https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2158244019876277 https://www.rand.org/pubs/periodicals/health-quarterly/issues/v4/n3/10.html On 2/14/2024 at 12:22 PM, CdnFox said: FURTHER more PEW research is not some fly by night group and would certainly know how to address that one way or another to minimize any effect. ESPECIALLY if it were common knowledge. No, they wouldn’t necessarily decide to correct for it If they did, they would say so On 2/14/2024 at 12:22 PM, CdnFox said: ROFLMAO!!! NO they do NOT. THey might have more formal education but they have NO more worries about the future than anyone else! So let me word my original statement better. Liberals tend to be more highly educated and highly educated people tend to worry about more things in this world On 2/14/2024 at 12:22 PM, CdnFox said: And are you claiming that this is proof they have more mental health issues? Because they're worried and therefore suffer mentally? How would you feel that's HELPING your case? No. I’m saying that highly educated people are more likely to: 1) admit to themselves that they might have a mental health issue, whether they actually have one or not 2) speak to a doctor about a potential mental health issue 3) admit to a stranger that they spoke to a doctor about a potential mental health issue. …and highly edited people are more likely to be liberal. Edited February 16 by BeaverFever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 16 Author Report Share Posted February 16 31 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Correct. Family doctors and nurses for example don’t diagnose mental illness, they refer you to a specialist Easiy one of your stupider commnets. they refer you to an expert for treatment and/or to confirm or detail a diagnosis. They don't refer you unless they've diagnosed the general problem. If they hadn't, how would they know what expert to send you to. Think about it. You are 100 percent wrong there. They diagnose you with a mental health issue and as a result refer you to an expert. Quote Not correct, for reasons stated above. Absolutely correct, you were wrong above Quote So just stating these facts for the record, since any insinuation that liberalism is due to mental illness or that conservatism is due to sanity. Im sure you’re going to deny insinuating that so I guess I probably just could have responded to your OP with “so?” if you’re not trying to make a larger point. ROFLMAO!!!1 "DERP - i'm pretty sure you'll deny insinuating that DERP"!!!! Why, because i actually already specifically said i don't believe that to be true above? You're such a dolt sometimes. And considering your facts were wrong....... Quote That’s Common knowledge, but here you go from just the first few google hits: Ummmm = those don't actually address that issue. Except one which is a sort of article that mentions a study that it doesn't even link to or give the name of. So - what you did was just run a google search - didn't read ANY of it, and posted at random. So its apparently NOT common knowledge and you're full of shit. Shocking. What kind of loser just does a search and randomly posts articles DESPERATELY HOPING SOMEWHERE in there is something that may corroborate his story? Dude that was just sad. Quote No, they wouldn’t necessarily decide to correct for it If they did, they would say so They did say so - thats what the sampling is for. Quote So let me word my original statement better. Liberals tend to be more highly educated and highly educated people tend to worry about more things in this world So your argument is that being educated causes more mental illness. I see. I feel like you're just digging yourself deeper. Quote No. I’m saying that highly educated people are more likely to: 1) admit to themselves that they might have a mental health issue, whether they actually have one or not 2) speak to a doctor about a potential mental health issue 3) admit to a stranger that they spoke to a doctor about a potential mental health issue. So post your cite. Lets see research that actually Sounds more like you're prepared to invent something to deflect from the fact the left has more mental illness. Quote …and highly edited people are more likely to be liberal. I know that was just a typo - but that was freaking hilarious I absolutely agree but lets stay on topic. So = you started off wrong, posted some completely random bullcrap, and finished with "Of course liberals have more mental health issues, and edumucation makes you mentally ill!!! Yeah, well done. I thought you said you'd been to school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: Don't be silly. Hey i'm glad you won your fight against cancer and all and i'm sorry if it left you a little emotionally scarred but give me a break. He was the one who brought it up in the first place trying to insult me. Yeash - people are going to think YOU have a mental health issue. Wait... you ARE a bit of a leftie... my god this is the most accurate research paper EVER!!!!! Give you a break??? And then you go on claiming I have a mental health issue because I survived cancer and so now I am a "leftie" therefore support your comments?? Your posts and comments are getting more and more insulting and 1diotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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