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Mark 16:15-16

Then he said to them, "Go forth into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

It would seem Jesus is pretty clear and straightforward. 

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3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Every religious person thinks they’re saved. 

salvation is not by acts, but by faith alone

to walk upon the road to Calvary Hill at Golgotha with the Nazarene

is the ultimate reward unto itself

feel good, do good, good things happen

miraculous things

soul making machines

from this world unto the next

the light over Damascus

is the light of civilization itself

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3 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Mark 16:15-16

Then he said to them, "Go forth into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

It would seem Jesus is pretty clear and straightforward. 

"Get thee up into the top of Pisgah, and lift up thine eyes westward, and northward, and southward, and eastward, and behold it with thine eyes: for thou shalt not go over this Jordan." ~ Deuteronomy 3:27 KJV

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17 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Every religious person thinks they’re saved. 

So what? 

14 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

salvation is not by acts, but by faith alone

to walk upon the road to Calvary Hill at Golgotha with the Nazarene

is the ultimate reward unto itself

feel good, do good, good things happen

miraculous things

soul making machines

from this world unto the next

the light over Damascus

is the light of civilization itself

Where does Scripture say you are saved by faith alone. 

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2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Ephesians 2:8

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

But we are created ,for a life of good WORKS that God has prepared for us. 

Rote recitation of memorized passages wont help you friend. You think this is my first time talking to a pre programmed protestant? 

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On 1/18/2024 at 3:52 PM, Yakuda said:

Mark 16:15-16

Then he said to them, "Go forth into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

It would seem Jesus is pretty clear and straightforward. 

Not when you consider the immoral implications. 

Can you take the reality on Jesus dying for Christians, from a moral perspective?

It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None
of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.

Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.

On 1/18/2024 at 3:55 PM, TreeBeard said:

Every religious person thinks they’re saved. 

Way too many think they need to kiss the rear of a genocidal Yahweh and his Armageddon loving son Jesus.

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

you asked a question about scripture

I answered your question

Lord knows I am a sinner

Israel means : those who struggle with God

The word "works" appears in many passages but context dicates what kind of "works" save ans which dont. The problem with people who abuse Scripture is they think everything is an either or proposition. It isn't. 

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8 hours ago, Yakuda said:

So you prefer to ignore what you don't like. 

the story illustrates how salvation is not by works, but rather by faith alone

as Saul of Tarsus was a mass murdering zealot sent to scourge the Christians

yet upon divine intervention by seeing the light over Damascus

he was transformed into Paul the Apostle

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2 hours ago, French Patriot said:

It is a work for the mind to choose faith over facts or whatever the old belief was.

I am French, but I believe that English to ,be correct.

Have faith in that fact.

There is no faith alone. Why are you making things up? "Faith alone" appears only one place in the Bible and it is preceded by ...we are not saved by.... It's amazing 

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2 hours ago, French Patriot said:

It is a work for the mind to choose faith over facts or whatever the old belief was.

I am French, but I believe that English to ,be correct.

Have faith in that fact.

In a way you are right. Believing is a work. So does Jesus save us or does our belief in him save us? Thats why faith alone isnt enough. It must have works to be alive 

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16 hours ago, Yakuda said:

There is no faith alone. Why are you making things up? "Faith alone" appears only one place in the Bible and it is preceded by ...we are not saved by.... It's amazing 

Having faith is a work of the mind, stupid, so there is no such thing as by faith without works.

Learn English before trying to make points. 

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16 hours ago, Yakuda said:

In a way you are right. Believing is a work. So does Jesus save us or does our belief in him save us? Thats why faith alone isnt enough. It must have works to be alive 

What makes you think Jesus saves us when scriptures say that none of us are ever lost to God?

Do I need to biblically educate you, or can you do your own research?

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17 hours ago, Yakuda said:

There is no faith alone. Why are you making things up? "Faith alone" appears only one place in the Bible and it is preceded by ...we are not saved by.... It's amazing 

One place????  After I gave you lots of verses showing it is by grace through faith alone.  

Forgive me.  I just had to refute your blatant false claim.  Read the Epistle to the Galatians.  If is full of rebuke to those who make your claim.  From what Paul says you are under a curse or anathema for adding works to faith for salvation.

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16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

One place????  After I gave you lots of verses showing it is by grace through faith alone.  

Forgive me.  I just had to refute your blatant false claim.  Read the Epistle to the Galatians.  If is full of rebuke to those who make your claim.  From what Paul says you are under a curse or anathema for adding works to faith for salvation.

I agree with you on grace. God controls whether one will believe or not and thus God damns whoever he wants. Regardless of the scriptures that say he does not lose any souls. 

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ

Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

 

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