US president could have a rival assassinated and not be criminally prosecuted, Trump’s lawyer argues

[WestCanMan]

Here's some of Chutkan's BS, I wasn't expecting to fid it on a CNN page: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/01/politics/judge-tanya-chutkan-trump-indictment/index.html

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“To compare the actions of people around the country protesting, mostly peacefully, for civil rights, to a violent mob seeking to overthrow the lawfully elected government is a false equivalency and downplays the very real danger that the crowd on January 6 posed to our democracy,” she said.

^Liar^

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“What you’re being punished for is the decision to take that protest and turn it into a violent occupation of the US Capitol… 

Weird that she notices that (talking to a rioter, not about Trump), yet Ray Epps wasn't charged for being the ringleader of that exact thing.

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She added: “This was a violent attempted overthrow of the government … and it almost succeeded.”

Thanks judge crakhobarbie. 

[robosmith]

28 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Hypothetically trans, like a male can hypothetically be female. 

^Still don't understand how a person with male genitalia can have a female mind?

It's reality NOT "hypothetical."  But keep on revealing your ignorance about biology.

[Rebound]

On 1/10/2024 at 1:39 PM, Deluge said:

You didn't listen to Trump's definition of a dictator. That is STOOOOPID.

I've proven that you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Now go take your pills. 

Dude, 

The courts are corrupt. It's a political witch hunt, nothing more. 

Oooh…. Riiiight… it’s MAGA. Everything has a secret definition. We have our own alternate facts, our own definitions of everything. Up means Down and Down means Up. Being the “most transparent President ever” means not releasing tax returns you promised to release, and not releasing White House visitor logs which all former Presidents routinely released. cause MAGA bullshlt.

 

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

We have our own alternate facts, our own definitions of everything. Up means Down and Down means Up. 

That's the absolute truth about leftists. 

Your whole shtick about "Twump's awfow pwesidency" was bunk. 

America was soaring when Trump was president but it was "bad" if you listened to the leftard version of it. He cleared up the ME and there was peace in Ukraine. The economy was flying. Illegal immigration was under control, despite the Dems' best efforts. The Afghan war was winding down with issues. Etc, etc, etc.

The only real downsides were the Dems' intentional attacks on America, such as Russian collusion, BLM and covid. The Dems drove America into the ground on those 3 issues to the greatest extend that they could. 

Literally everything has gone to crap under Biden, but everything is "coming up roses" by the leftist reckoning. I won't even bother to name all the ways that America is worse off now because I don't have all day, but I challenge you to name even 1 thing that has gotten better under Biden. 

Edited January 12, 2024 by WestCanMan

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's the absolute truth about leftists. 

Your whole shtick about "Twump's awfow pwesidency" was bunk. 

America was soaring when Trump was president but it was "bad" if you listened to the leftard version of it. He cleared up the ME and there was peace in Ukraine. The economy was flying. Illegal immigration was under control, despite the Dems' best efforts. The Afghan war was winding down with issues. Etc, etc, etc.

The only real downsides were the Dems' intentional attacks on America, such as Russian collusion, BLM and covid. The Dems drove America into the ground on those 3 issues to the greatest extend that they could. 

Literally everything has gone to crap under Biden, but everything is "coming up roses" by the leftist reckoning. I won't even bother to name all the ways that America is worse off now because I don't have all day, but I challenge you to name even 1 thing that has gotten better under Biden. 

Do you understand the emoluments clause in the Constitution which FORBIDS POTUS from being paid off by foreign states?

White House for Sale: How Princes, Prime Ministers, and Premiers Paid Off President Trump

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By elevating his personal financial interests and the policy priorities of corrupt foreign powers over the American public interest, former President Trump violated both the clear commands of the Constitution and the careful precedent set and observed by every previous Commander-in- Chief.

 Article I Section 9 , Clause 8 of the Constitution forbids the President to accept money payments or gifts of any kind whatever from foreign governments and monarchs unless he obtains the Consent of the Congress to do so . Yet Donald Trump, while holding the office of president, used his business entities to pocket millions of dollars from foreign states and royalty and never once went to Congress to seek its consent. This report sets forth the records showing foreign government money and all the spoils from royals we can find pouring into hotels and buildings that the President continued to own during his presidency, all in direct violation of the Constitutional prohibition. 

 

 

And that's just the tip of the ice berg.

 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Oooh…. Riiiight… it’s MAGA. Everything has a secret definition. We have our own alternate facts, our own definitions of everything. Up means Down and Down means Up. Being the “most transparent President ever” means not releasing tax returns you promised to release, and not releasing White House visitor logs which all former Presidents routinely released. cause MAGA bullshlt.

 

You DO have you own definitions, and I'm surprised that you haven't admitted that yet. 

[WestCanMan]

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you understand the emoluments clause in the Constitution which FORBIDS POTUS from being paid off by foreign states?

White House for Sale: How Princes, Prime Ministers, and Premiers Paid Off President Trump

1. I see that you have to completely dodge the topic of how well the US was doing under Trump in order to reply. 
2. People stayed in Trump's hotels, stupid. That's what you're talking about. People staying in hotels that Trump owns. Is that a crime now? 
3. How does "People stayed in my hotel" compare to Joe's "My son was gifted a $80,000k/mo job in Ukraine after I went there to 'clear up correction so that Ukraine could join NATO'"? Ironically Joe's son was hired by one of the most corrupt companies in Ukraine: its owner (Zlochevsky) had just had his assets seized by Ukraine's chief prosecutor. But hiring Hunter completely pulled BurismaZlochevsky's fat outta the fire... The aforementioned chief prosecutor was fired by Joe Biden, and the case against Burisma's CEO (Hunter's new boss) was dropped by the "solid guy" that Joe claimed to have "put in his place". Mere coincidence, you say?

All you do is lick Biden's ass and lie about Trump, and you do it with no subtlety whatsoever. That's why you're on ignore. 

 

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. I see that you have to completely dodge the topic of how well the US was doing under Trump in order to reply. 

What you see is me not wasting my time. You asked for ONE THING that is better under Biden

 

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. People stayed in Trump's hotels, stupid. That's what you're talking about. People staying in hotels that Trump owns. Is that a crime now? 

It is a violation of the Constitution which prohibits POTUS from getting money from foreign states.

Prior to Trump, no one kept their business interests while serving as POTUS.

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The emoluments clause, also called the foreign emoluments clause, is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 😎 that generally prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives. 

 

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. How does "People stayed in my hotel" compare to Joe's "My son was gifted a $80,000k/mo job in Ukraine after I went there to 'clear up correction so that Ukraine could join NATO'"? Ironically Joe's son was hired by one of the most corrupt companies in Ukraine: its owner (Zlochevsky) had just had his assets seized by Ukraine's chief prosecutor. But hiring Hunter completely pulled BurismaZlochevsky's fat outta the fire... The aforementioned chief prosecutor was fired by Joe Biden, and the case against Burisma's CEO (Hunter's new boss) was dropped by the "solid guy" that Joe claimed to have "put in his place". Mere coincidence, you say?

Hunter Biden does not serve the US government in ANY CAPACITY. He is free to sell "influence" to anyone stupid enough to pay for it.

Joe Biden didn't "fire" anyone. He promoted official US POLICY to condition loan guarantees on reduced CORRUPTION by the Ukrainian prosecutor who was NOT PROSECUTING CORRUPTION.

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

All you do is lick Biden's ass and lie about Trump, and you do it with no subtlety whatsoever. That's why you're on ignore. 

I'm on your ignore because you find the cases I make to be inconvenient to your FALSE world view.

Cause you eat up whatever FOS LIES is selling YOU.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

^Still don't understand how a person with male genitalia can have a female mind?

Oh I understand. Still doesn't make them female. 

Just like allegations don't automatically make you guilty. 

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Yeah, I don’t think excuses such as questioning whether the gallows was high enough or the rope thick enough would hold up against a violent crowd chanting “Hang Mike Pence.”

Pretty threatening. Not to mention… it’s not a rope hanging from a tree. There were steps and a platform. It took a fair amount of lumber and tools to slap that thing together. It was planned.  

Eh, we're talking about some people who aren't very bright and have only seen Pence on TV. They probably thought he was very small.

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Here's some of Chutkan's BS, I wasn't expecting to fid it on a CNN page: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/01/politics/judge-tanya-chutkan-trump-indictment/index.html

^Liar^

Weird that she notices that (talking to a rioter, not about Trump), yet Ray Epps wasn't charged for being the ringleader of that exact thing.

Thanks judge crakhobarbie. 

No, you're the liar (compulsive liar) and she's correct.

The BLM protests around the country were mostly peaceful--93% peaceful, in fact. There were a lot of protests though, so a few pictures of a building on fire and you'll tar the whole movement. It's called misleading vividness.

Ray Epps didn't storm the Capitol, and actually tried to stop others from being violent on Jan 6. One of the insurrectionists, in particular, confirmed that Epps wasn't egging him on, but was trying to talk him down. And Epps was charged and received probation. But that's one of your regularly spammed lies, so you'll probably continue to do so.

And it was the an attempt to overthrow the government. They literally and explicitly had the aim of preventing the transfer of power and keeping Trump in office against the will of the electorate. The end of our democracy. The beginning of some perverse alternative.

[robosmith]

32 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Oh I understand. Still doesn't make them female. 

Well yeah, it does. Because the mind is far more important to sexualily than genitalia.

32 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Just like allegations don't automatically make you guilty. 

Allegations based on STRONG evidence are just waiting for the jury to make the decision, which makes one guilty under the law, in ADDITION to guilty IN FACT. 

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's the absolute truth about leftists. 

Your whole shtick about "Twump's awfow pwesidency" was bunk. 

America was soaring when Trump was president but it was "bad" if you listened to the leftard version of it. He cleared up the ME and there was peace in Ukraine. The economy was flying. Illegal immigration was under control, despite the Dems' best efforts. The Afghan war was winding down with issues. Etc, etc, etc.

The only real downsides were the Dems' intentional attacks on America, such as Russian collusion, BLM and covid. The Dems drove America into the ground on those 3 issues to the greatest extend that they could. 

Literally everything has gone to crap under Biden, but everything is "coming up roses" by the leftist reckoning. I won't even bother to name all the ways that America is worse off now because I don't have all day, but I challenge you to name even 1 thing that has gotten better under Biden. 

China spent over $5.5 million at Trump properties while he was in office

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The Chinese government and its state-controlled entities spent over $5.5 million at properties owned by Donald Trump while he was in office, the largest total of payments made by any single foreign country known to date, according to financial documents cited in a report from House Democrats released Thursday.

Those payments collectively included millions of dollars from China’s Embassy in the United States, a state-owned Chinese bank accused by the US Justice Department of helping North Korea evade sanctions and a state-owned Chinese air transit company. 

I've heard there were numerous instances of Chinese diplomats renting dozens of rooms in which no one stayed.
 

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Because the mind is far more important to sexualily than genitalia.

Okie dokie.

55 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Allegations based on STRONG evidence

Irrelevant if one has a better defense. People with good lawyers can literally get away with murder. Ask OJ.

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Okie dokie.

Irrelevant if one has a better defense. People with good lawyers can literally get away with murder. Ask OJ.

OJ wasn't saved by his defense; he was saved by his jury's experience with corrupt and racist LA cops.

That's why they found it credible that the glove and other evidence against him was PLANTED by those cops.

I would know, because I watched the entire trial. Of course you're too young to have done that.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

What you see is me not wasting my time. You asked for ONE THING that is better under Biden

And you never provided it. Are you kidding right now?

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Hunter Biden does not serve the US government in ANY CAPACITY. He is free to sell "influence" to anyone stupid enough to pay for it.

Are you finally admitting that Hunter was hired and given all of that money because of his ties to Joe? That's a step fwd. I just gained a modicum of respect for you. 

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Joe Biden didn't "fire" anyone. He promoted official US POLICY to condition loan guarantees on reduced CORRUPTION by the Ukrainian prosecutor who was NOT PROSECUTING CORRUPTION.

Yeah he did fire someone. He fired the guy who won court orders against Viktor Shokin, the guy who won court orders seizing the assets of the CEO of Burisma, aka Hunter's new boss. FYI, that's called ACTUALLY PROSECUTING CORRUPTION.

More importantly, Joe Biden "put in [Shokin's] place someone who was solid", and the charges against Zlochevsky bounced. 

If you click the link above, and go to the 58 second mark, you can see that it was Biden who put the new prosecutor in place.

Your argument against is weak AF, but there's no denying that Biden took credit for hiring the guy who let Zlochevsky off the hook. 

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I'm on your ignore because you find the cases I make to be inconvenient to your FALSE world view.

Cause you eat up whatever FOS LIES is selling YOU.

You're just such a huge liar and propagandist that there's nothing to be gained by reading your posts. You're sickening. 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Of course you're too young to have done that.

You assume my age, but human nature has us assuming gender when we make snap judgments on meeting someone. 

That's biology. Its natural.

Pronoun enforcement is not, which is why it must be done by shame and gaslighting. 

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1. I see that you have to completely dodge the topic of how well the US was doing under Trump in order to reply. 
2. People stayed in Trump's hotels, stupid. That's what you're talking about. People staying in hotels that Trump owns. Is that a crime now? 
3. How does "People stayed in my hotel" compare to Joe's "My son was gifted a $80,000k/mo job in Ukraine after I went there to 'clear up correction so that Ukraine could join NATO'"? Ironically Joe's son was hired by one of the most corrupt companies in Ukraine: its owner (Zlochevsky) had just had his assets seized by Ukraine's chief prosecutor. But hiring Hunter completely pulled BurismaZlochevsky's fat outta the fire... The aforementioned chief prosecutor was fired by Joe Biden, and the case against Burisma's CEO (Hunter's new boss) was dropped by the "solid guy" that Joe claimed to have "put in his place". Mere coincidence, you say?

All you do is lick Biden's ass and lie about Trump, and you do it with no subtlety whatsoever. That's why you're on ignore. 

 

If we peel away all of the innuendo and rely only on facts, we have these:

1. Domestic and foreign leaders sought to ingratiate themselves with Trump by staying at this properties, and
2. Burisma sought to bolster their global reputation by putting the son of a US Vice President on their Board of Directors. 
3. The Royal Family of Saudi Arabia gave Jared Kushner $2 billion to manage on their behalf, which pays an annual commission of several million dollars. 

Let’s say there was nothing else to it; that none of these three cases involved a quid pro quo.  I don’t approve of any of this. These three events occurred only because of the government offices involved.. The Constitution specifically forbids the President (and other Officers, such as the VP)  from accepting any “emolument.” Although  this does not pertain to the relatives of the President, it is inappropriate conduct and should not be permitted.

[robosmith]

22 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You assume my age, but human nature has us assuming gender when we make snap judgments on meeting someone. 

And you have not denied my assumption, so strong evidence I am right.

22 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

That's biology. Its natural.

Pronoun enforcement is not, which is why it must be done by shame and gaslighting. 

Brain and body development are BOTH biology and natural. 

No shame needed if you will just learn to be polite and respect the reality of people's feelings. AKA mental state.

You claim to understand that mental development plays a role in sexuality, but continue to make claims which say you DO NOT. 

[robosmith]

27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And you never provided it. Are you kidding right now?

I see. So you don't understand how having a POTUS who does not personally profit from foreigners is better than one who is BEHOLDEN to them.

That is some serious mental gymnastics you got going. Unfortunately that is your usual schtick.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

No, you're the liar (compulsive liar) and she's correct.The BLM protests around the country were mostly peaceful--93% peaceful,

That's a complete BS stat. There were riots constantly, and the Dems just kept egging them on.

M Obama: "Stay angry. Focus your anger. Don't let anyone tell you not to be angry."

But the Floyd narrative turned out to be BS Michelle. What now? How are we supposed to feel about all the violence and damage Michelle? 

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in fact. There were a lot of protests though, so a few pictures of a building on fire and you'll tar the whole movement. It's called misleading vividness.

It's called there were riots almost every night, stupid, and there was $2B in damages. Thousands of cops injured. Several cops killed. Civilians assaulted.

The Dems did nothing to stop any of that. In fact, they made a point of letting the few rioters who were arrested in areas under their control out of jail, and they raised bail money for the ones that they couldn't unilaterally set free.

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Ray Epps didn't storm the Capitol, and actually tried to stop others from being violent on Jan 6. One of the insurrectionists, in particular, confirmed that Epps wasn't egging him on, but was trying to talk him down.

Ray Epps committed textbook sedition. He urged people to do the exact thing that gave leftards false license to shriek "INSARECKSHUN!": enter into the capitol building. He said that nothing that they did meant anything unless they got into the capitol, and those poor bastards who went in there got the Chutkin treatment (that's when an activist judge makes an example out of you). 

Ray Epps privately told one guy not to do it? Why, did he like that guy, and he knew what was going to happen? Do we even believe that he was talking that guy out of it? 

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And Epps was charged and received probation. But that's one of your regularly spammed lies, so you'll probably continue to do so.

Listen up stupid: AFTER 2 YEARS OF NO CHARGES, (Jan 2021 - Sept 2023), EPPS WAS CHARGED AND QUICKLY PLED GUILTY TO A NOTHING CHARGE.

OTHER PEOPLE SAT IN JAIL WITH NO TRIAL FOR THAT LONG, DUMMY. 

Epps got EXACTLY the kind of sentence that you give a guy like Kevin Clinesmith after he does your dirty work. 

No time in jail awaiting trial, quick little how-do-ya-do, plead to a lesser charge, get probation, and Bobs your mother's brother. 

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And it was the an attempt to overthrow the government. They literally and explicitly had the aim of preventing the transfer of power and keeping Trump in office against the will of the electorate. The end of our democracy. The beginning of some perverse alternative.

LOL. I honestly don't know if you're stupid enough to believe everything you say or if you're just a propagandist troll. 

But, just pretend for a second that you weren't lying about this last part, if it was an attempt to overthrow the gov't, did Epps aid the cause by convincing people to break into the capitol? 

Let's be honest, Epps knew that the Capitol was going to be guarded that day. An angry (seditious lol) mob wasn't going to be let in there on that day. He knew that the people he was coaching to get in there were going to have to fight their way in. AKA he knew that they were going to have to "storm the captol", in your own leftard words. So he was trying to garner support for the people who were allegedly there to strom the capitol and overthrow the gov't. 

Epps helped out the alleged insurrectionists a lot. 

And for that he got charged with the misdemeanour charge of disorderly conduct? 

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A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally: (1) engages in fighting or in tumultuous conduct; (2) makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop; or.

So how did he end up getting charged with that? Did he do any of that? Was he:

1. Fighting? Nope.
2. Engaging in tumultuous conduct? Nope. He didn't even push at the barricades.
3. "making unreasonable noise and continues to do so after he's being asked to stop"? I guess so...? Is yelling for people to storm the capitol during an insurrection "unreasonable noise"? I dunno, seems more like textbook sedition if you look it up in the f'ing dictionary. And it has more than 5 letters, so you definitely need to look it up. 

Dude, Epps was charged with a misdemeanour that he didn't even commit, and that only happened after years of people publicly questioning why one of the guiltiest guys in America was conspicuously not charged with anything.

If that's not the agent provocateur treatment, I dunno what is. 

Epps deserves everything he gets. He was an actual seditionist. 

 

Edited January 12, 2024 by WestCanMan
Took ut a reply to rebound tat was merged

[robosmith]

22 minutes ago, Rebound said:

If we peel away all of the innuendo and rely only on facts, we have these:

1. Domestic and foreign leaders sought to ingratiate themselves with Trump by staying at this properties, and
2. Burisma sought to bolster their global reputation by putting the son of a US Vice President on their Board of Directors. 
3. The Royal Family of Saudi Arabia gave Jared Kushner $2 billion to manage on their behalf, which pays an annual commission of several million dollars. 

Let’s say there was nothing else to it; that none of these three cases involved a quid pro quo.  I don’t approve of any of this. These three events occurred only because of the government offices involved.. The Constitution specifically forbids the President (and other Officers, such as the VP)  from accepting any “emolument.” Although  this does not pertain to the relatives of the President, it is inappropriate conduct and should not be permitted.

Yeah, but the difference between them is Joe had NO CONTROL over Hunter accepting employment with Burisma.

One might say the same with Trump and Kushner, but Kushner was on the government payroll and it seems like he might be AGAIN. He will STILL owe MBS big time and probably be reluctant to push any policies which annoy MBS cause $2B is on the line.

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Yeah, but the difference between them is Joe had NO CONTROL over Hunter accepting employment with Burisma.

One might say the same with Trump and Kushner, but Kushner was on the government payroll and it seems like he might be AGAIN. He will STILL owe MBS big time and probably be reluctant to push any policies which annoy MBS cause $2B is on the line.

So you're saying the conductor of an orchestra has no control over the first violinist.

It seems the resulting jarring symphony is music to those with cloth ears.

BTW Cloth ears means you are tone deaf to reality.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

The BLM protests around the country were mostly peaceful--93% peaceful, in fact.

Okay... Using the same mathematical concepts which derived that figure

If the 93% was only 50% it would still be 101% incorrect.

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, Legato said:

So you're saying the conductor of an orchestra has no control over the first violinist.

You don't know that the 1st violinist JOB depends on the conductor's approval?

Hunter's employment at Burisma was pure speculation of influence by Burisma's owner.

MAYBE he WANTED people to assume that HE had influence in high government offices, but there's NO EVIDENCE any was DELIVERED.

12 minutes ago, Legato said:

It seems the resulting jarring symphony is music to those with cloth ears.

BTW Cloth ears means you are tone deaf to reality.

No, it means that you mistake SPECULATION sans EVIDENCE for actual corruption.

14 minutes ago, Legato said:

Okay... Using the same mathematical concepts which derived that figure

If the 93% was only 50% it would still be 101% incorrect.

You're as bad at understanding math as you are at understanding science.