A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[taxme]

14 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Yes, I think you should ignore your doctor and keep on smoking cause it won't kill you THIS WEEK. LMAO

Meanwhile you're running up the bill for your children, and yourself depending on how old you are, by FAILING to ACT NOW to stem GHG.

Pay a little now, or a lot more later.

On the contrary, it is people like you that is running up the bill and debt for all the children in Canada wo eventually will have to pay the debt off. You keep blowing tax dollars on useless and stupid programs and agendas like climate change crisis which is not a real crisis at all. Just something the globalists invented and created to get people like you all upset over nothing and make you believe more and more silly lies and bs coming from the globalist elite ilk. The globalists already know that this so called climate crisis is not for real. Why, they do not even practice what they preach. HELLO. 

Pay more now, and get our children to pay off the debt that people like you keep dumping on them. HELLO. 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Here’s the data that does come from the PhD’s. Gore was correct.

https://climate.nasa.gov

This is full of more projections and suppositions. No proof. 

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Bad for you. Intelligent people learn how to fix problems and take action BEFORE the crisis become severe.

But you're going to "meet it head on" like that's going to stop a major drought, flood or forest fire. LMAO

Since you can't understand the science, the least you MIGHT do is listen to the experts who do.

Your government funded toadies? No thanks. You cannot show there is a crisis.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This is full of more projections and suppositions. No proof. 

Yes predictions made using real data, not just what comes out of your ass. I guess you don't bother to look at weather forecasts either.

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Your government funded toadies? No thanks. You cannot show there is a crisis.

What is in it for governments to lie about this stuff, I'm sure they would rather blow public money on things that were more likely to get them re elected.

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

In my greenhouse when I add CO2 the plants do not "die", in fact quite the opposite, they grow massively. They convert that CO2 to carbon in their stems and leaves. 

That means we should be seeing more greenery, but we are not.

It's a little old thing called biofeedback, or something.

So CO2 is good for my plants.

The issue is exacerbated by global deforestation, which we could do something about but I don't hear that from Trudeau et al, or any of you climate cultists. Just want to tax the mofos. Develop even more complicated technology, the development of which just adds to more carbon.

All the while we are in a major die-off extinction event the likes of which have not been seen before by the fossil record. But your hero Justin don't give a hootenany about that.

I guess his hair and dazzling smile really works for you people.

Yes they do convert that carbon but how are they supposed to convert the carbon we add to the atmosphere by burning carbon stored in the earths crust for millions of years on  top of that produced by existing rotting vegetation and natural sources. Instead of expecting a tree to absorb the carbon from existing life and death, you want it to also handle the carbon from thousands of trees that died millions of years ago. Deforestation just exacerbates the problem. 

F***k Justin, he is only a politician and he is far from being my hero. That's the problem with you guys, you can't get past your politics. It taints every thought you have.

Edited January 3, 2024 by Aristides

[taxme]

20 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You ever see the wing blowing? Or just the trees swaying as if by magic? 

Maybe you could do a little research, if you're not too lazy, or too dumb to understand the science.

Until you do, you sound like a fool by pretending to understand who is lying.

And you appear to be an ignoramus who cares not about the facts because you can't "see."

No, i never saw a wing blowing. I have seen the wind blowing though many times. Yup, trees too. 

Maybe it is time for you to stop spreading climate change lies and bs for a change. 

I know as to who is lying. It is you. 

You facts are stupid to me. Just saying. 

Just the other day, I saw on TV some high winds blowing real hard and then break the blades off of one of those gigantic windmills that we see doted around the world. The four blades went flying in many pieces in many directions. A good thing that there was nobody standing around near by and got injured or killed by the flying debris. Just more nonsense and an horror story to be told and to add to this so called story about some climate crisis going on.

Those gigantic windmills have killed many thousands of birds also. So, just remember to not go for a walk around one of those windmills with the dog because the blades may just come off on a windy day and fall down and hit you on your  head. Your final warning. LOL.

 

[taxme]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What is in it for governments to lie about this stuff, I'm sure they would rather blow public money on things that were more likely to get them re elected.

It will be good for any government to appear to be climate friendly. It is in their advantage to do so to try and get greenies like you to vote for them. They have blown enough tax dollars already on this climate crisis nonsense and so many other useless programs and agendas that nobody has ever asked for them to do. When was it when the majority of Canadian taxpayer's in Canada were ever asked if they wanted metric, foreign aid, bilingualism, multiculturalism and diversity, and massive third world immigration? NEVER.

There, you have a number of things that the government of Canada has wasted hundreds of billions of taxpayer's tax dollars on useless and unneeded liberal and socialist programs and agendas garbage. 

As the conservative leader Pierre Poilevre has said, it's time to bring common sense back to Canada because everything that this globalist Marxist dictator in Ottawa says and does is all total garbage. What a useless pos that buffoon really is. 

And the fool could care less as to what we the peasants have to say. We the peasants keep getting the finger from him all the time. But then again, when did a leftist liberal government ever listen to we the peasants and apply common sense at anytime? Disgusting person indeed. 

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

It will be good for any government to appear to be climate friendly. It is in their advantage to do so to try and get greenies like you to vote for them. They have blown enough tax dollars already on this climate crisis nonsense and so many other useless programs and agendas that nobody has ever asked for them to do. When was it when the majority of Canadian taxpayer's in Canada were ever asked if they wanted metric, foreign aid, bilingualism, multiculturalism and diversity, and massive third world immigration? NEVER.

There, you have a number of things that the government of Canada has wasted hundreds of billions of taxpayer's tax dollars on useless and unneeded liberal and socialist programs and agendas garbage. 

As the conservative leader Pierre Poilevre has said, it's time to bring common sense back to Canada because everything that this globalist Marxist dictator in Ottawa says and does is all total garbage. What a useless pos that buffoon really is. 

And the fool could care less as to what we the peasants have to say. We the peasants keep getting the finger from him all the time. But then again, when did a leftist liberal government ever listen to we the peasants and apply common sense at anytime? Disgusting person indeed. 

So you don't know. Just another mindless rant. Like I said, you are useless because you just can't get past your politics and use any kind of objectivity.

Edited January 3, 2024 by Aristides

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

When stuff gets hotter, it melts faster and expands more. You're welcome. 

Water expands on freezing. Have a nice day.

[Aristides]

12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Water expands on freezing. Have a nice day.

For crap sake, only the little bit on the top that freezes and even that is decreasing as the oceans warm. Thermal expansion obviously wasn't included in your's and Nationalist's education.

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/global-sea-level/thermal-expansion

Edited January 3, 2024 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

Just now, Aristides said:

For crap sake, only the little bit on the top that freezes and even that is decreasing. Thermal expansion obviously wasn't included in your's and Nationalist's education.

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/global-sea-level/thermal-expansion

I got some education today. My wife showed me the latest gas bill. It's almost doubled.

This is insanity and I will oppose you twits for as long as it takes to return Canada to common sense.

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I got some education today. My wife showed me the latest gas bill. It's almost doubled.

This is insanity and I will oppose you twits for as long as it takes to return Canada to common sense.

Oppose what, the carbon tax? Go right ahead because I'm not convinced how effective it is either but that doesn't change the fact that we are on the way to making the planet uninhabitable. We can argue about details it doesn't change the fact humans are a major contributor to the planet warming.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Oppose what, the carbon tax? Go right ahead because I'm not convinced how effective it is either but that doesn't change the fact that we are on the way to making the planet uninhabitable. We can argue about details it doesn't change the fact humans are a major contributor to the planet warming.

What you and the rest of those who are on the left did not then and do not now understand is that the way it works is when people emotionally and financially invest in something, when it fails they lose interest in ever doing so again.

This was mentioned many times in the past - If the carbon tax does not work people won't want to try something else,

And i think you'll find that's the case.

So for those on the left (perhaps not you specifically)  who INSISTED that we have the tax and voted for trudeau FOR THAT REASON - they have basically eliminated the chances of canada doing anything meaningful on it's own except by accident.  PP will get in, ax the tax, and that will be it, nobody will want to spend a whack on anything else.

[Aristides]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What you and the rest of those who are on the left did not then and do not now understand is that the way it works is when people emotionally and financially invest in something, when it fails they lose interest in ever doing so again.

This was mentioned many times in the past - If the carbon tax does not work people won't want to try something else,

And i think you'll find that's the case.

So for those on the left (perhaps not you specifically)  who INSISTED that we have the tax and voted for trudeau FOR THAT REASON - they have basically eliminated the chances of canada doing anything meaningful on it's own except by accident.  PP will get in, ax the tax, and that will be it, nobody will want to spend a whack on anything else.

We don't know that the carbon tax has failed but we also don't know how much it may have helped. That is the problem with a tax, we can't measure the result so people can spin it any way they want.

Edited January 3, 2024 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

Just now, Aristides said:

We don't know that the carbon tax has failed

we absolutely know it's failed.  We can look at the numbers, compare it to where we needed it to be, and where we committed it would be and told people it would be if we did this - and we can see that we didn't come remotely close.  We HAVE hurt the economy though.

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but we also don't know how much it may have helped.

Then it failed. IF the effect was so underwealming we can't be sure then it failed.

In bc they were a little more proactive and did do some research. Took a while because of the recovery after the meltdown (unfortunate timing) but the best estimates said NO reductions, at best a 5 - 10 percent decrease in increases. It was supposed to return us to a pre 05 level i believe? Didn't even get into that ballpark once the effect of the recession was over.

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That is the problem with a tax, people can spin it any way they want.

No, they can't. Most 'sin' taxes can be correlated with an immediate effect within a reasonable percentage spread.  We know what taxes on smokes did.  We know what the taxes on vacant units did. etc etc.

Some groups PRETEND you cannot tell to hide their ideological failures but you absolutely can tell.

If you can't tell if it's workiing - it's not working.

Worse - people have lost faith that it's working according to the polls, and that's plunging fast.

I'm afraid 'climate change' is quickly falling off the menu for many canadians.

 

[Aristides]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

we absolutely know it's failed.  We can look at the numbers, compare it to where we needed it to be, and where we committed it would be and told people it would be if we did this - and we can see that we didn't come remotely close.  We HAVE hurt the economy though.

Then it failed. IF the effect was so underwealming we can't be sure then it failed.

 

No we don't because we don't know what it would have been  like without the tax. Like I said, because we can't measure the results, we can spin it any way we want. Yes, tobacco and alcohol taxes probably do have an effect on consumption but we really don't know how much. Just because we personally haven't changed much doesn't mean no one else has.

A problem with the carbon or any other tax is people won't change their behaviour if they can afford not to. That and the use of energy is not optional is why I'm not a big believer in the tax. You can quit smoking or drinking but not driving your car to work or heating your home.  

PP is doing a great job of spinning the tax to his benefit. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Aristides said:

No we don't because we don't know what it would have been  like without the tax

Yeah we do.  We have decades of historical records, massive amounts of data on vehicles and numbers of vehicles and vehicles use - it's very very easy to measure the impact to within a small amount.

And they did. As i said in bc it was estimated to be about a 5 - 10 percent reduction in how fast carbon emissions were growing. zero reduction.

We also know what it was INTENDED To do - the stated goals - and we can see those weren't met.

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. Like I said, because we can't measure the results, we can spin it any way we want.

Yes - you said that.' That would be a lie. We can see the results, we know what's happened and while i guess you can still be dishonest about the results, the facts are that we do know it did not achieve what it was supposed to or any actual reduction.

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Yes, tobacco and alcohol taxes probably do have an effect on consumption but we really don't know how much.

Yes, we do.

 

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A problem with the carbon or any other tax is people won't change their behaviour if they can afford not to

No. That turned out not to be the problem.

The problem turned out to be that people simply did not have other choices to switch to, in some cases "at all" and in some cases within a reasonable budget.

The ability for discretionary spending is known as 'elasticity' in economics.  How much room do you have for change? How 'flexible' can you be?

It turns out that the elasticity of fuel use by people was GROSSLY over estimated.  THe reality was that people still had to get to work. And people still had to pick up the kids.  And people didn't want to freeze during the winter. And they couldn't afford electric cars and such, and most people had already switched to fairly efficient vehicles where they could.

So they had no choice but to buy the gas and fuel at inflated rates and then spend less elsewhere. Buy fewer luxuries or trips or eat out less or buy a little less food or clothing etc.  But they didn't burn much less fuel.

So it just didn't work. The only way it COULD work is if it hurt the economy so badly we basically went into recession.

 

So to be clear - we do know how it worked, we know that it failed and by how much and we know WHY it failed and why it would continue to do so.

There's no mystery here.  I'm sorry - it's a failure AND we can't fix why it's a failure at this time.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Data is maliable.

You mean malleable? As in you can change its shape by pounding on it with a hammer.

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This has been proven over and over. Identical data can be manipulated to show exactly the opposite of your outlandish claim,

Only if you're an lDIOT or dishonest.

Please show us how YOU manipulate data to "show exactly the opposite" of anything, without being dishonest.

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

but you freaks are simply not comfortable unless you're all panicking about something or someone.

You know nothing about the science and sound like a FOOL when you pretend people who listen to the experts and reach a reasonable conclusion based on that, are according to you, just "panicking."

The FACT is, you have ZERO evidence that any panic is involved cause you don't know what's true and what's false.

All YOU have is uninformed ASSUMPTIONS.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

On the contrary, it is people like you that is running up the bill and debt for all the children in Canada wo eventually will have to pay the debt off. You keep blowing tax dollars on useless and stupid programs and agendas like climate change crisis which is not a real crisis at all. Just something the globalists invented and created to get people like you all upset over nothing and make you believe more and more silly lies and bs coming from the globalist elite ilk. The globalists already know that this so called climate crisis is not for real. Why, they do not even practice what they preach. HELLO. 

Pay more now, and get our children to pay off the debt that people like you keep dumping on them. HELLO. 

The US is paying its OWN bills and anything we do to mitigate CO2 in the atmosphere is SAVING Canadians MONEY in the long term.

IOW, your post here is ILLOGICAL.

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This is full of more projections and suppositions. No proof. 

It's current data whether you can understand that OR NOT.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Your government funded toadies? No thanks. You cannot show there is a crisis.

You cannot even understand the data that shows it is IMMINENT.

But just for grins, WHEN do YOU believe it's time to ACT? A week or a year before the crisis?

Maybe since you don't know, we should play it safe and ACT NOW.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

No, i never saw a wing blowing. I have seen the wind blowing though many times. Yup, trees too. 

Maybe it is time for you to stop spreading climate change lies and bs for a change. 

I know as to who is lying. It is you. 

You facts are stupid to me. Just saying. 

You are the stupid one cause you pretend you understand the facts but in reality you haven't a CLUE.

6 hours ago, taxme said:

Just the other day, I saw on TV some high winds blowing real hard and then break the blades off of one of those gigantic windmills that we see doted around the world. The four blades went flying in many pieces in many directions. A good thing that there was nobody standing around near by and got injured or killed by the flying debris. Just more nonsense and an horror story to be told and to add to this so called story about some climate crisis going on.

Since they're not in the middle of populated areas, the chances of anyone getting struck "in high winds" are infinitesimal.

So you can stop worrying about your made up scenario.

6 hours ago, taxme said:

Those gigantic windmills have killed many thousands of birds also. So, just remember to not go for a walk around one of those windmills with the dog because the blades may just come off on a windy day and fall down and hit you on your  head. Your final warning. LOL.

Don't worry about it. I've never walked near a wind TURBINE and don't plan to start now. You'll have to visit Holland to find many "windmills."

Can you make up any more scenarios which make you look the FOOL?

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

And the fool could care less as to what we the peasants have to say. We the peasants keep getting the finger from him all the time. But then again, when did a leftist liberal government ever listen to we the peasants and apply common sense at anytime? Disgusting person indeed. 

You should be getting the finger from the experts cause you have ZERO expertise except at IMAGINING you have some.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Water expands on freezing. Have a nice day.

That's no longer water, that is ice. I would expect you Canadians to know the difference between water and ice, but c'est la vie.

Water expands when it get hotter until it turns to steam and then it expands a LOT MORE.

Thanks for living up to your name.

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I got some education today. My wife showed me the latest gas bill. It's almost doubled.

This is insanity and I will oppose you twits for as long as it takes to return Canada to common sense.

Put on a coat if you can't afford to heat your house. Duh

Edited January 3, 2024 by robosmith

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

We don't know that the carbon tax has failed but we also don't know how much it may have helped. That is the problem with a tax, we can't measure the result so people can spin it any way they want.

Really? You have NO DATA on the use of fossil fuels and trends BEFORE and AFTER the tax?

Edited January 3, 2024 by robosmith