August1991 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Posted November 27, 2023 1. Norwegians (like most Europeans) are incapable of integrating foreigners. 2. Norway has an economy based on oil. 3. Unlike we North Americans, Norwegians cannot even get along with others. Norway is not part of of the EC, 3a. Like Canada, Norway has its own currency. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted November 27, 2023 Report Posted November 27, 2023 Those really aren't points addressing the question. They're just ramblings. Norway makes a craptonne of money from oil, and it is a very small country with a decent sized pouplation and no native issues. As long as oil is still a thing (makes up something like 5 percent of their gdp DIRECTLY,) then they'll be fine. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted November 27, 2023 Report Posted November 27, 2023 9 hours ago, August1991 said: 1. Norwegians (like most Europeans) are incapable of integrating foreigners. 2. Norway has an economy based on oil. 3. Unlike we North Americans, Norwegians cannot even get along with others. Norway is not part of of the EC, 3a. Like Canada, Norway has its own currency. So...you're saying Norway has smarter people than your average European? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 27, 2023 Report Posted November 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: So...you're saying Norway has smarter people than your average European? They refused two times to join the European Union by referendum. So yes. 1 Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 27, 2023 Report Posted November 27, 2023 12 hours ago, August1991 said: 2. Norway has an economy based on oil. That's false, although it is a sector which is very well managed. 78% of their economy is services based. It had an extremely good economy before the discovery of oil, and made hydroelectric stations to power their factories at a very early stage. It is one of those countries not affected by the Dutch Disease, because of great planning and an emphasis on education. They do not spend every dime they earn; they save it. They have one of the biggest trust fund in the world as a result. 1 Quote
Legato Posted November 27, 2023 Report Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: 78% of their economy is services based Don't forget they also have ABBA. Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 27, 2023 Report Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Legato said: Don't forget they also have ABBA. Never say that to a Swede... Quote
Aristides Posted November 29, 2023 Report Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) Norway isn't in the EU but is part of the EEA, EFTA and Schengen. It also contributes and average of 391 million Euros to the EU under the EEA agreement. It is very integrated with the EU. Only 20 of the 27 EU countries use the Euro, Denmark and Sweden also have their own currencies. Edited November 29, 2023 by Aristides 1 Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 29, 2023 Report Posted November 29, 2023 23 minutes ago, Aristides said: Norway isn't in the EU but is part of the EEA, EFTA and Schengen. It also contributes and average of 391 million Euros to the EU under the EEA agreement. It is very integrated with the EU. Only 20 of the 27 EU countries use the Euro, Denmark and Sweden also have their own currencies. The EEA (an economic agreement) also includes... Turkey. Not a single serious person thinks for a second that Turkey is part of the EU. And thank God for both parties involved, for an unlimited amount of reasons. For the EFTA, the UK is part of it, despite not being in the EU anymore. For Schengen, Ireland isn't part of it, even though it is part of the EU. For the funding of the EU, according to Statista, Norway isn't even tehre. https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contributions-by-country/ An average of 391M would be one of the lowest contribution given by a country in Europe for the EU. Norway finds opportunities to make agreements which advantages them while protecting its sovereignty. It is quite an admirable country in the terms of how it is managed. Quote
Aristides Posted November 29, 2023 Report Posted November 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: The EEA (an economic agreement) also includes... Turkey. Not a single serious person thinks for a second that Turkey is part of the EU. And thank God for both parties involved, for an unlimited amount of reasons. For the EFTA, the UK is part of it, despite not being in the EU anymore. For Schengen, Ireland isn't part of it, even though it is part of the EU. For the funding of the EU, according to Statista, Norway isn't even tehre. https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contributions-by-country/ An average of 391M would be one of the lowest contribution given by a country in Europe for the EU. Norway finds opportunities to make agreements which advantages them while protecting its sovereignty. It is quite an admirable country in the terms of how it is managed. Yes but to say it doesn't depend on those arrangements with the EU for its own prosperity is wrong. It is wealthier in part at least because of the EU, not in spite of it. Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Yes but to say it doesn't depend on those arrangements with the EU for its own prosperity is wrong. It is wealthier in part at least because of the EU, not in spite of it. Because they stayed out of it, they gain from the economic agreements, while not being tied by the decisions of Berlin and the Germans in general who hold all the real power in the EU Brussels. In Europe, the 4 richest countries for GDP per capita are Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Norway. Three out of them are not tied to German domination the European Union. Edited November 30, 2023 by QuebecOverCanada Frenglish Quote
Aristides Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Because they stayed out of it, they gain from the economic agreements, while not being tied by the decisions of Berlin and the Germans in general who hold all the real power in the EU Brussels. In Europe, the 4 richest countries for GDP per capita are Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Norway. Three out of them are not tied to German domination the European Union. They still have to abide with EU trade rules because they have access to EFTA and freedom of movement of EU citizens because they are part of Schengen. Same goes for Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Edited November 30, 2023 by Aristides Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Aristides said: They still have to abide with EU trade rules because they have access to EFTA and freedom of movement of EU citizens because they are part of Schengen. Same goes for Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Trade is fine. The EU is totally something else. It's a political confederation ruled by the Germans Brussels. Quote
Aristides Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) It is ruled by the EU parliament in Brussels. Germany has the most clout because it is the largest and wealthiest country. Just like the US in NATO and North America. Germany has been instrumental in bailing out weaker members. The point is, Norway owes much of its affluence to the EU whether it is a member or not. Edited November 30, 2023 by Aristides Quote
August1991 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Posted November 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Aristides said: Norway isn't in the EU but is part of the EEA, EFTA and Schengen. It also contributes and average of 391 million Euros to the EU under the EEA agreement. It is very integrated with the EU. Only 20 of the 27 EU countries use the Euro, Denmark and Sweden also have their own currencies. 1. Albertans use the same currency as people in Quebec. Norwegians do not use the same currency as French people. 2. Albertan taxpayers participate in a federal equalization scheme. Norwegian taxpayers do not participate in any federal European transfer scheme. ==== I am a federalist. Norway is a free-rider. Quote
August1991 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/27/2023 at 6:51 AM, Nationalist said: So...you're saying Norway has smarter people than your average European? No, I'm saying that we Canadians get along. We manage to get foreigners to live among us, whatever their language. Americans do this too - but we Canadians are really good. Nous autres, vous autres, as they say.... ==== Norwegians/Swedes? IME, they are not good at getting along. Quote
Aristides Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Trade is fine. The EU is totally something else. It's a political confederation ruled by the Germans Brussels. It isn't just trade, they are all part of the Schengen zone as well. 37 minutes ago, August1991 said: 1. Albertans use the same currency as people in Quebec. Norwegians do not use the same currency as French people. 2. Albertan taxpayers participate in a federal equalization scheme. Norwegian taxpayers do not participate in any federal European transfer scheme. ==== I am a federalist. Norway is a free-rider. Seven EU countries do not use the Euro. Using the Euro is not a condition of EU membership. Iceland is another country that is not an EU member but is also heavily integrated. Edited November 30, 2023 by Aristides Quote
CdnFox Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, August1991 said: No, I'm saying that we Canadians get along. We manage to get foreigners to live among us, 3/4 of canadians in a new poll think we have too many immigrants and that they're largely responsible for the housing crisis. Quebec, where you live, won't even allow immigrants in right now because they can't get along with them. It is the height of arrogance and lies to say we get along. YOU especially. Quote
August1991 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Posted November 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: 3/4 of canadians in a new poll think we have too many immigrants and that they're largely responsible for the housing crisis. Quebec, where you live, won't even allow immigrants in right now because they can't get along with them. It is the height of arrogance and lies to say we get along. YOU especially. I would prefer a Quebec currency - but that's another question. ==== We Canadians integrate better the foreigners than Norwegians/Prussians. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, August1991 said: I would prefer a Quebec currency - but that's another question. Do it. You'd be one step closer to separating which most of the west would love to see, AND when your currency crashes we can buy up your stuff for pennies and own you. You realize that it's only oil and lumber and wheat etc that keeps the canadian buck so high right? Go on your own without that, you can call it the quebec peso Quote
August1991 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Posted November 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Do it. The English wording of the 1980 question: " — and at the same time to maintain with Canada an economic association including a common currency; " Quote
CdnFox Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, August1991 said: The English wording of the 1980 question: " — and at the same time to maintain with Canada an economic association including a common currency; " Nope - just split. Go away. We sure as hell didn't get to write the 'english' version. Just have a simple vote - go or stay - and get out. Quebec is the most ignorant, arrogant, narcissistic non productive province in the federation. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Just be thankful there's no legal basis for having a referendum to kick you out. (yes - we checked.) Quote
August1991 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nope - just split. Go away. We sure as hell didn't get to write the 'english' version. Just have a simple vote - go or stay - and get out. Quebec is the most ignorant, arrogant, narcissistic non productive province in the federation. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Just be thankful there's no legal basis for having a referendum to kick you out. (yes - we checked.) Disagree. In the past few centuries, while Europeans - Germans/Russians/French have killed each other. Buddhists? Cambodia, Sri Lanka. Africans? Rwanda. Americans? Civil War. But as I say, we Canadians get along. ==== And unlike China, we Canadians have a federal system - and speak two dialects. Edited November 30, 2023 by August1991 Quote
CdnFox Posted November 30, 2023 Report Posted November 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, August1991 said: Disagree. Don't care - you've shown that you have no intent to be trruthful or honest. What value is the disagreement of the dishonest? Quote In the past few centuries, while Europeans - Germans/Russians/French have killed each other. Buddhists? Cambodia, Sri Lanka. Africans? Rwanda. Americans? Civil War. You mean like the war of 1812 where they invaded us and we fought back in a series of bloody battles? Or perhaps you mean the plains of abraham? Could you be talking about the riel revolution and the metis war? Quote But as I say, we Canadians get along. Yeah - it's a lie you keep repeating - and once again you can't offer a single example as to why you believe that's true NOR can you address the dozens of points i've raised proving otherwise. Which means you're basically a serial liar and a bad person. That's too bad. But then - you are from quebec. Quote And unlike China, we Canadians have a federal system - and speak two dialects. China has over 300. What's your point? Quote
August1991 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: .... You mean like the war of 1812 where they invaded us and we fought back in a series of bloody battles? .... They? I do not view Americans as an enemy. And to me, the War of 1812 was a minor skirmish among the various battles between 1789-1815. You know. The Napoleonic Wars Like the Somme or Dieppe between 1914-1945. Do you know of the Thirty Years War? 1618-1648. ==== We Canadians? We get along. Quote
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