Why has the driving force on the right become hatred of gays and trans.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, jbander1A said:

Wimp. any two ace. I'm not going to try to give you one proof , I am going to give you as many as I can, hence no I won't do all of them. You are a wimp a total weak as wimp. If you don't want to contribute, go someplace else screw you. 

No offense, but that was quite the wimpy response. 

Irony suits you best. Leave logic and facts alone.

Forget self checkout. You're that 5 minute survey of debate o_O

Reminds me of this store I walked into looking for parts:

"Do you have a part number?!"

Uh, I don't. But am looking for (insert car part).

I saw some on your website. 

"A part number would make my life easier"

*I finally concede exasperated,  not realizing I had to do homework to replace parts--Google the part number for him, thinking to myself if they prompt me for a tip, am throwing the point of sale machine at him*

[CdnFox]

19 hours ago, Hodad said:

FWIW, Hillary said half of the Trump supporters, not half of the nations voters, then the next day she expressed regret for saying half. But the point that Trump had expanded the tent to include the ugliest of the alt-right was correct. Those creeps didn't used to have a cozy home in the mainstream Republican base. That was new.

AHhh - so that makes it ok for hillary to say what she said.

And it's the republcians who are 'lowering the discourse' and 'raising the rhetoric' right?

[West]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

AHhh - so that makes it ok for hillary to say what she said.

And it's the republcians who are 'lowering the discourse' and 'raising the rhetoric' right?

They went searching high and low among the 80 million Trump voters to find one bad guy then used that to claim his entire base are Klansman. 

Even though the Klan were the radicalized DEMOCRATS base historically. Just the same as Black Lives Matter and Antifa today

[jbander1A]

4 hours ago, West said:

They went searching high and low among the 80 million Trump voters to find one bad guy then used that to claim his entire base are Klansman. 

Even though the Klan were the radicalized DEMOCRATS base historically. Just the same as Black Lives Matter and Antifa today

stupid , Your coming from a group that's is known as the  MAGA Maggots, which is based 100% on hatred and lies and you have the gall to judge anyone.

[West]

10 minutes ago, jbander1A said:

stupid , Your coming from a group that's is known as the  MAGA Maggots, which is based 100% on hatred and lies and you have the gall to judge anyone.

?

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, West said:

They went searching high and low among the 80 million Trump voters to find one bad guy then used that to claim his entire base are Klansman. 

Even though the Klan were the radicalized DEMOCRATS base historically. Just the same as Black Lives Matter and Antifa today

The ultra left like the dems have  a small but reliable and heavily used bag of tricks, and probably the most go to one they use is first - before you even MENTION the issues - you must dehumanize your opponents.   THey're not people, you see. They're "deplorables".  They're nazi's.  They are the worst humans on the planet - they are so evil that to even WANT to be  a republican or a right winger means you must have been a bad person from the very start.

THAT allows them to dismiss ANYTHING that the other person feels, or wants, or thinks or their opinion on anything and even some facts - because why would you listen to the opinion of scumbag deplorables and they're ALL scumbag deplorables.

Its the way they keep their people tribal and divided from everyone and everything else.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The ultra left like the dems have  a small but reliable and heavily used bag of tricks, and probably the most go to one they use is first - before you even MENTION the issues - you must dehumanize your opponents.   THey're not people, you see. They're "deplorables".  They're nazi's.  They are the worst humans on the planet - they are so evil that to even WANT to be  a republican or a right winger means you must have been a bad person from the very start.

THAT allows them to dismiss ANYTHING that the other person feels, or wants, or thinks or their opinion on anything and even some facts - because why would you listen to the opinion of scumbag deplorables and they're ALL scumbag deplorables.

Its the way they keep their people tribal and divided from everyone and everything else.

Harder to debate a person, than someone beneath being seen as human. Easy to dismiss.

Kind of like calling an ex crazy. Easy to dismiss anything they say, regardless of how logical.

Trudeau in Canada blames some of his country's opposition on MAGA alt right, and whatever else he could come up with, effectively silencing any dissent, removing any credibility from it.

Lazy, but highly effective.

You set the moral code, and shame anyone who deviates from it into compliance.

Mao Zedong would be proud.

They used dunce hats, arbitrary jailing and even murder, we use social media, doxxing and shaming in the west.

Much better to kill one's credibility. 

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, jbander1A said:

stupid , Your coming from a group that's is known as the  MAGA Maggots, which is based 100% on hatred and lies and you have the gall to judge anyone.

I would like to thank you, Joe Biden, and all the warped little Tweenkies, for providing a living allegory for stupid.

You take a campaign slogan...Make America Great Again...and equate that with maggots. Brilliant.

You Libbie nonses are so freaked out by Orangemanbad that you go out of your way to destroy and punish all of America for wanting America to be prosperous for all.

You would even vote for an addled old fool and cheer on his abject failures.

[reason10]

On 11/26/2023 at 1:42 PM, jbander1A said:

Bullshit, 100% stupid bullshit. This urine stain, sees himself and his group as some noble American, who just happens to be homophobic, bigoted hate based , ignorant and blind. His anti American group who supports the destruction of our country and it's constitution,a group were no patriot exists, a group that supports jan6th and this countries biggest threat and traitor, Their God and leader scum bag. Admittedly I didn't read his statement completely but He said nothing that is true, if I missed something let me know.

To educated people it is truth. To uneducated mor0nz, it's bullshit. You don't know anything. You're the only bigot here.

EVERYBODY is homophobic, including homos. The Hamas Muslims you support have a habit of throwing homos off tall buildings. So far, American conservatives (the people who pay for your welfare checks with their hard earned dollars in taxes) haven't done jack squat to queers and homos. We believe in live and let live. We don't force our normal lifestyle in their faces and demand they don't shove their sick lifestyle in ours.

Jan 6 was the fault of Nazi Pelosi, ANTIFA and the rest of you goose stepping Nazis.

Seig Heil,  IGNORAMUS.

[WestCanMan]

On 11/26/2023 at 10:42 AM, jbander1A said:

Bullshit, 100% stupid bullshit. This urine stain, sees himself and his group as some noble American, who just happens to be homophobic, bigoted hate based , ignorant and blind. His anti American group who supports the destruction of our country and it's constitution,a group were no patriot exists, a group that supports jan6th and this countries biggest threat and traitor, Their God and leader scum bag. Admittedly I didn't read his statement completely but He said nothing that is true, if I missed something let me know.

Holy insipid vitriol Batman, you're spazzing so hard that you can't even speak properly. 

If you're not angry and stupid enough to get yourself into trouble with a firearm one day, no one is. 

[jbander1A]

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

To educated people it is truth. To uneducated mor0nz, it's bullshit. You don't know anything. You're the only bigot here.

EVERYBODY is homophobic, including homos. The Hamas Muslims you support have a habit of throwing homos off tall buildings. So far, American conservatives (the people who pay for your welfare checks with their hard earned dollars in taxes) haven't done jack squat to queers and homos. We believe in live and let live. We don't force our normal lifestyle in their faces and demand they don't shove their sick lifestyle in ours.

Jan 6 was the fault of Nazi Pelosi, ANTIFA and the rest of you goose stepping Nazis.

Seig Heil,  IGNORAMUS.

His post above is a must read.

Lets do this one ,it is all crap and easily proved. I'm a Bigot , ya you betcha, Everyone homophobic , that just stupid. I SUPPORT Hamas Muslims , I know so little about them That I would have no reason to support them, that ones real stupid. Welfare states are almost all red states , and also They list states by the amount they contribute to the fed and the amount the fed pays them , the takers are just about all red states paid for by blue states.

    And finally we will just post the last of you ignorance YOUR WORDS"

We believe in live and let live. We don't force our normal lifestyle in their faces and demand they don't shove their sick lifestyle in ours. (How stupid  is this , If they act the way they want It's forcing their lifestyle on you , You are a little worm aren't you"You are just mad because you can't be the dictator you want to be.)

Jan 6 was the fault of Nazi Pelosi, ANTIFA and the rest of you goose stepping Nazis." Now doe is get any more crao filled then this ." You are a cartoon character. Every single point you made is not just stupid but it is so blatantly stupid that If I didn't know you belonged to the hate party , I would guess you are just joking.

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

To educated people it is truth. To uneducated mor0nz, it's bullshit. You don't know anything. You're the only bigot here.

EVERYBODY is homophobic, including homos. The Hamas Muslims you support have a habit of throwing homos off tall buildings. So far, American conservatives (the people who pay for your welfare checks with their hard earned dollars in taxes) haven't done jack squat to queers and homos. We believe in live and let live. We don't force our normal lifestyle in their faces and demand they don't shove their sick lifestyle in ours.

Jan 6 was the fault of Nazi Pelosi, ANTIFA and the rest of you goose stepping Nazis.

Seig Heil,  IGNORAMUS.

This guy is the ultimate microbe. The best part is he the one who makes that clear to everyone by this stupid hate driven post of his.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, jbander1A said:

His post above is a must read.

Lets do this one ,it is all crap and easily proved. I'm a Bigot , ya you betcha, Everyone homophobic , that just stupid. I SUPPORT Hamas Muslims , I know so little about them That I would have no reason to support them, that ones real stupid. Welfare states are almost all red states , and also They list states by the amount they contribute to the fed and the amount the fed pays them , the takers are just about all red states paid for by blue states.

    And finally we will just post the last of you ignorance YOUR WORDS"

We believe in live and let live. We don't force our normal lifestyle in their faces and demand they don't shove their sick lifestyle in ours. (How stupid  is this , If they act the way they want It's forcing their lifestyle on you , You are a little worm aren't you"You are just mad because you can't be the dictator you want to be.)

Jan 6 was the fault of Nazi Pelosi, ANTIFA and the rest of you goose stepping Nazis." Now doe is get any more crao filled then this ." You are a cartoon character. Every single point you made is not just stupid but it is so blatantly stupid that If I didn't know you belonged to the hate party , I would guess you are just joking.

This guy is the ultimate microbe. The best part is he the one who makes that clear to everyone by this stupid hate driven post of his.

dude - you sound like a raving lunatic. Like... seriously, stand back for a moment and read your last few posts. It's just gibberish held together by drool. I mean, at this point you're failing the Turing test.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

On 11/25/2023 at 12:54 PM, West said:

  

1. If you think a parent should be included in a discussion about a child's decision to take hormone blockers you must want to harm trans kids

All medical decisions must include the parents. But schools should not be required to inform parents of their child's sexual orientation. 

On 11/25/2023 at 12:54 PM, West said:

 

2. If you think a Christian baker shouldn't be forced to create pastries that would go against their conscience you must want to harm gays.

Nobody in America should be forced to work for anyone who they do not want to work for. Why in the World would any homosexual want a religious zealot making their wedding cake? It makes no sense. 

On 11/25/2023 at 12:54 PM, West said:

 

3. If you point out cops are necessary, the vast majority are not racist, and that thug lyfe culture which glorifies women beaters, illegal drug usage, and gang lifestyle is a root cause of the disproportionately of blacks in jail then you are a racist

 

Police are necessary.  But, because of police culture and unions, bad apples are not weeded out, which is a necessity. This is a huge problem that infests nearly every police force Worldwide.

If you can't see that, than you are more of an id iot than Id previously presumed.

Edited November 28, 2023 by CrakHoBarbie

[Hodad]

38 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

 

Nobody in America should be forced to work for anyone who they do not want to work for. Why in the World would any homosexual want a religious zealot making their wedding cake? It makes no sense. 

 

Disagree completely. Modern American life is completely built on the idea that places of public accommodation--businesses open to the general public--cannot refuse service based on protected status. That is to say, you can refuse to serve someone for being a total a-hole, but you can't refuse to serve someone for the fact of their being Black, Jewish, gay, etc.

The consequence of what you are saying opens the door to the bad old days of "whites only" restaurants and other discriminatory arrangements that are far better left in the past.

[reason10]

12 hours ago, jbander1A said:

His post above is a must read.

Lets do this one ,it is all crap and easily proved. I'm a Bigot , ya you betcha, Everyone homophobic , that just stupid. I SUPPORT Hamas Muslims , I know so little about them That I would have no reason to support them, that ones real stupid. Welfare states are almost all red states , and also They list states by the amount they contribute to the fed and the amount the fed pays them , the takers are just about all red states paid for by blue states.

    And finally we will just post the last of you ignorance YOUR WORDS"

We believe in live and let live. We don't force our normal lifestyle in their faces and demand they don't shove their sick lifestyle in ours. (How stupid  is this , If they act the way they want It's forcing their lifestyle on you , You are a little worm aren't you"You are just mad because you can't be the dictator you want to be.)

Jan 6 was the fault of Nazi Pelosi, ANTIFA and the rest of you goose stepping Nazis." Now doe is get any more crao filled then this ." You are a cartoon character. Every single point you made is not just stupid but it is so blatantly stupid that If I didn't know you belonged to the hate party , I would guess you are just joking.

This guy is the ultimate microbe. The best part is he the one who makes that clear to everyone by this stupid hate driven post of his.

You're such a whiny little bittch when you lose an argument. The HATE you spew here on a daily basis would make Hitler look like the PEACE CORPS.

Crawl back under your rock, goose stepper.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Disagree completely. Modern American life is completely built on the idea that places of public accommodation--businesses open to the general public--cannot refuse service based on protected status. That is to say, you can refuse to serve someone for being a total a-hole, but you can't refuse to serve someone for the fact of their being Black, Jewish, gay, etc.

The consequence of what you are saying opens the door to the bad old days of "whites only" restaurants and other discriminatory arrangements that are far better left in the past.

I see your reasoning and you have valid concerns.  That said, I'm not going to be forced to work for someone I do not want to work for and I wouldn't expect anyone else to work for someone they weren't comfortable working for. 

Now, gays seeking to force religious zealots to make their wedding cakes involves risk. Who knows what that cake maker is going to do to that cake if they are forced to comply.

There's a World of bakers out their happy to comply without litigation. 

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by CrakHoBarbie

[jbander1A]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Disagree completely. Modern American life is completely built on the idea that places of public accommodation--businesses open to the general public--cannot refuse service based on protected status. That is to say, you can refuse to serve someone for being a total a-hole, but you can't refuse to serve someone for the fact of their being Black, Jewish, gay, etc.

The consequence of what you are saying opens the door to the bad old days of "whites only" restaurants and other discriminatory arrangements that are far better left in the past.

Great response to a ignorant comment. He would be arguing on the other side of the issue if the opposite rubbed him wrong. These are people who don't have a position just their feeling getting hurt and responding like a 3rd grader.

[CrakHoBarbie]

4 minutes ago, jbander1A said:

Great response to a ignorant comment. He would be arguing on the other side of the issue if the opposite rubbed him wrong. These are people who don't have a position just their feeling getting hurt and responding like a 3rd grader.

You can talk to me directly. 

This 3rd grader is here for you.

[jbander1A]

57 minutes ago, reason10 said:

You're such a whiny little bittch when you lose an argument. The HATE you spew here on a daily basis would make Hitler look like the PEACE CORPS.

Crawl back under your rock, goose stepper.

 

Must have hurt his feeling , Two simple rules don't hijack my thread and don't waste bandwidth. Seems to be to much for him to think about. Time that he moved on , Good bye ace.

1 minute ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

You can talk to me directly. 

This 3rd grader is here for you.

Seems to me you got the message.

[CrakHoBarbie]

1 hour ago, jbander1A said:

 

Seems to me you got the message.

Force a religious zealot baker to make a cake for someone they stupidly think is an abomination,  that someone is going to end up with a belly full of excrement. 

That's the unfortune reality here.

Edited November 28, 2023 by CrakHoBarbie

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I see your reasoning and you have valid concerns.  That said, I'm not going to be forced to work for someone I do not want to work for and I wouldn't expect anyone else to work for someone they weren't comfortable working for. 

Now, gays seeking to force religious zealots to make their wedding cakes involves risk. Who knows what that cake maker is going to do to that cake if they are forced to comply.

There's a World of bakers out their happy to comply without litigation. 

 

Not sure what to tell you. You are welcome to try to refuse to work for people based on reasons covered by protected classes, but prepare for extensive legal entanglement, including shuttering of your business.

At a practical level, we simply cannot allow that kind of discrimination and still be a nation of free and equal people. Allowing it creates exactly the kind of caste system that we used to have, with Blacks excluded from jobs, neighborhoods, restaurants, gas stations and everything else. "Sorry, we don't serve your kind here." It can be nearly impossible for the excluded to exist in that environment. 

Is that really the society you want? Because that is the literal consequence of your proclamation. And I think we've learned that that is not the type of society most of us want to live in. If you're serious, you hold a very fringe opinion.

To your specific example, there may be reasons a gay couple might choose not to patronize a certain baker they think won't give them good service, but there should not be a legal protection for businesses to exclude and discriminate against classes of people. Two separate issues.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Hodad

[CrakHoBarbie]

14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Not sure what to tell you. You are welcome to try to refuse to work for people based on reasons covered by protected classes, but prepare for extensive legal entanglement, including shuttering of your business.

At a practical level, we simply cannot allow that kind of discrimination and still be a nation of free and equal people. Allowing it creates exactly the kind of caste system that we used to have, with Blacks excluded from jobs, neighborhoods, restaurants, gas stations and everything else. "Sorry, we don't serve your kind here." It can be nearly impossible for the excluded to exist in that environment. 

Is that really the society you want? Because that is the literal consequence of your proclamation. And I think we've learned that that is not the type of society most of us want to live in. If you're serious, you hold a very fringe opinion.

To your specific example, there may be reasons a gay couple might choose not to patronize a certain baker they think won't give them good service, but there should not be a legal protection for businesses to exclude and discriminate against classes of people. Two separate issues.

You cannot squeeze "being a good person" from a religious zealot that thinks your way of life is an abomination. 

Philosophically, you are absolutely correct and I fully agree with you. But, in actual application,  it's not going to be seen as a reasonable request by folks who simply don't give a fck.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, jbander1A said:

Must have hurt his feeling , Two simple rules don't hijack my thread and don't waste bandwidth. Seems to be to much for him to think about. Time that he moved on , Good bye ace.

Seems to me you got the message.

I'm just like every other mainstream conservative poster here, when I encounter an extremist Nazi bug like you, uneducated, overly emotional, and mostly full of schitt.

To bring you up to Red State superior educational standards, IT'S CALLED THE FIRST FUGGING AMENDMENT, YOU FUGGING NAZI. Responding to a thread and disagreeing with you NAZIS is not defined as hijacking a thread. It's called PUTTING YOU GOOSE STEPPING CREEPS IN YOUR PLACE.

You don't like disagreement? Losing arguments? Being humiliated for being such an idi0t? Go find DemocratUnderground or some other safe space FASCIST forum.

This place, to its credit, is an equal opportunity political message board, that is open to ALL ideas, America or Democrat.

Crawl back under your rock, TROLL.

[reason10]

On 11/26/2023 at 11:36 PM, jbander1A said:

stupid , Your coming from a group that's is known as the  MAGA Maggots, which is based 100% on hatred and lies and you have the gall to judge anyone.

The MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN folks ( who are a majority of America) pay for your welfare checks, you creep. We OWN the truth. We OWN logic. You're just another Nazi ignoramus with bat guano for brains.

[CrakHoBarbie]

13 minutes ago, reason10 said:

The MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN folks ( who are a majority of America) pay for your welfare checks, you creep. We OWN the truth. We OWN logic. You're just another Nazi ignoramus with bat guano for brains.

And you are an insipid ignoramus with a brain the size of a walnut.