For Those of you Thought That Nazis Were From The "Conservative Religious Right"...

[impartialobserver]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Not at all. Hitler was racially divisive, he exerted undue control over the judiciary and law enforcement, he used a gesunheitspass to falsely discriminate a group of people that he wanted to slander, he froze bank accounts, he controlled the MSM, he took control over what information people were allowed to access, etc.

There's nothing on that list that Trudeau didn't do, and the Dems chack all the boxes  aside from Gesundheitspass, although they did discriminate against the unvaxed to some extent. 

Hitler's actions were to be the means to an end... Germany returning to prominence and doing so because of supposed Aryan superiority.  Comparing this to our modern American life is apples to oranges. A forum like this (even if the technology had existed) would have banned in Hitler's time. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Rebound said:

Remember this: Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives have stated that they will only approve funding for Israel only if the IRS budget is cut $14 billion. 
 

Not tax cuts for you, or for me. Only for the ultra ultra rich. 

The Dems have a habit of politically weaponizing branches of the US gov't, such as the IRS, FBI, CIA, etc. 

Cutting automatic weapons from the IRS budget makes sense. https://nypost.com/2023/05/02/irs-has-spent-10m-on-weapons-ammo-and-combat-gear-since-2020-watchdog/

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Comparing this to our modern American life is apples to oranges. A forum like this (even if the technology had existed) would have banned in Hitler's time. 

It's not beneficial to focus entirely on the number of dead when we study the holocaust, there are far more important lessons to be learned, like "How did Hitler get the attitudes of the German people from A to B?" 

It's important to notice when other governments are mimicking Hitler, as the Trudeau gov't did to such a great extent. 

[impartialobserver]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

It's not beneficial to focus entirely on the number of dead when we study the holocaust, there are far more important lessons to be learned, like "How did Hitler get the attitudes of the German people from A to B?" 

It's important to notice when other governments are mimicking Hitler, as the Trudeau gov't did to such a great extent. 

If you believe that they are mimicking Hitler to the fullest degree then not sure what parallel universe you reside in? There is zero evidence of any leader systematically killing or relocating everyone that does not fit a narrow race. Keep in mind.. Hitler's focus was on race not religion, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status.. all of this was useless packaging. 

You should read up on the Beer Hall Putsch... the resentment that Hitler capitalized on was already in place. 

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Hitler's actions were to be the means to an end... Germany returning to prominence and doing so because of supposed Aryan superiority.  Comparing this to our modern American life is apples to oranges. A forum like this (even if the technology had existed) would have banned in Hitler's time. 

I think I already responded to this post in a different thread...  Or maybe I didn't hit send...

It's true that Hitler might have tried to ban this forum, but upon realizing that it was impossible, or realizing the value of forums like these, he'd switch his tune to just bombarding forums like this with his propaganda and lies. 

He'd pay a bunch of people like Beave, ExFlyer, Rebound, Eyeball etc to just repeat all the big lies over and over 24/7. Or he'd get an AI bot to pump out his lies a million times a day. 

[Rebound]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong. Hitler was racially divisive, he exerted undue control over the judiciary and law enforcement, he used a gesunheitspass to falsely discriminate a group of people that he wanted to slander, he froze bank accounts, he controlled the MSM, he took control over what information people were allowed to access, etc.

There's nothing on that list that Trudeau didn't do, and the Dems chack all the boxes  aside from Gesundheitspass and frozen bank accts, although they did discriminate against the unvaxed to some extent. 

You know who stopped Hitler? A DEMOCRAT.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

If you believe that they are mimicking Hitler to the fullest degree then not sure what parallel universe you reside in? There is zero evidence of any leader systematically killing or relocating everyone that does not fit a narrow race. Keep in mind.. Hitler's focus was on race not religion, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status.. all of this was useless packaging. 

You should read up on the Beer Hall Putsch... the resentment that Hitler capitalized on was already in place. 

There's always resentment around, it's just a matter of whether or not your gov't lies to further BLM's divisive narratives, Hamas narratives and lies, pile hate on conservatives, the unvaxed, etc. 

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You know who stopped Hitler? A DEMOCRAT.

^That's the epitome of ignorance^

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There's always resentment around, it's just a matter of whether or not your gov't lies to further BLM's divisive narratives, Hamas narratives and lies, pile hate on conservatives, the unvaxed, etc. 

^That's the epitome of ignorance^

BLM and Hitler are not even close to being the same. And now in today's episode of the Twilight Zone.. carry along

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

BLM and Hitler are not even close to being the same. And now in today's episode of the Twilight Zone.. carry along

No one said BLM was like Hitler. 

BLM is a tool that the Libs and Dems use to divide people, as Hitler would have done. 

Keith Ellison is one of the preeminent anti-Semites in the DNC, a former Farrakhan disciple, and he's the one who chose to keep bodycam footage of G Floyd from the American people while race riots were destroying communities and people were being assaulted and murdered. 

As soon as the video of Floyd saying "I can't breathe" - while he was alone in the cop car - came out, the riots died away to nothing.

Kamala Harris was hoping that the rioting and racial violence would last 'til after Christmas... another 5 months from that point. 

Just goes to show ya, the "crazy violent blacks" aren't as crazy, nor as easy to control, as the Dems thought. Demmies need to be really diligent about pushing the false narratives and keeping the truth locked away. That bodycam footage easily cost the dems 3 months of rioting. It was supposed to last until after "Christmas" (the election). 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

No one said BLM was like Hitler. 

BLM is a tool that the Libs and Dems use to divide people, as Hitler would have done. 

Keith Ellison is one of the preeminent anti-Semites in the DNC, a former Farrakhan disciple, and he's the one who chose to keep bodycam footage of G Floyd from the American people while race riots were destroying communities and people were being assaulted and murdered. 

As soon as the video of Floyd saying "I can't breathe" - while he was alone in the cop car - came out, the riots died away to nothing.

Kamala Harris was hoping that the rioting and racial violence would last 'til after Christmas... another 5 months from that point. 

Just goes to show ya, the "crazy violent blacks" aren't as crazy, nor as easy to control, as the Dems thought. Demmies need to be really diligent about pushing the false narratives and keeping the truth locked away. That bodycam footage easily cost the dems 3 months of rioting. It was supposed to last until after "Christmas" (the election). 

the two situations are not even close to being the same. No matter how you spin it. The motivations and context are so dissimilar to make it silly. Hitler's method of eradicating his foes (jews, slavs, gays, all non-Aryans) is so different than what you describe.. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

the two situations are not even close to being the same. No matter how you spin it. The motivations and context are so dissimilar to make it silly. Hitler's method of eradicating his foes (jews, slavs, gays, all non-Aryans) is so different than what you describe.. 

That's binary thinking. The reality is that everyone has a bit of freedom in their gameplan and everyone has a bit of fascism. It's never a 1 or zero in every aspect across the board.

The Dems and Libs moved the needle moved a long way from freedom towards fascism over the last 5 years. We were in the green zone 30 years ago, with no hint of yellow, orange, or red. Now we're definitely into the red. Media control, control of the federal police, open discrimination, weaponization of gov't agencies against the opposition, control of the judiciary... It's even illegal to question the integrity of elections now that the Dems are in power. 

FYI Hitler was already a fascist before the oven doors opened for the first time. Genocide isn't "entry level fascism."

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's binary thinking. The reality is that everyone has a bit of freedom in their gameplan and everyone has a bit of fascism. It's never a 1 or zero in every aspect across the board.

The Dems and Libs moved the needle moved a long way from freedom towards fascism over the last 5 years. We were in the green zone 30 years ago, with no hint of yellow, orange, or red. Now we're definitely into the red. Media control, control of the federal police, open discrimination, weaponization of gov't agencies against the opposition, control of the judiciary... It's even illegal to question the integrity of elections now that the Dems are in power. 

FYI Hitler was already a fascist before the oven doors opened for the first time. Genocide isn't "entry level fascism."

So by your logic.. Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge is exactly the same as America's response to Covid... Both instituted wide ranging controls so hence because they share one aspect.. they are exactly the same. You are quite the comedian. 

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

So by your logic.. Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge is exactly the same as America's response to Covid... Both instituted wide ranging controls so hence because they share one aspect.. they are exactly the same. You are quite the comedian. 

No, you're still stuck in binary. 

FYI there are varying degrees of everything, including some things that are even as extreme as 'people who have killed others'.

One person could kill 1 person, another 12. Are the "the same" io?

Maybe the 1 murder was in self-defence and the 12 were for pure sport. So although you're technically talking about two people who both killed others, they're not the same at all. Right?

Even among self-defence killers, 1 guy might have been really happy to kill that person and did everything he could to make sure that the other person died when he got the excuse to kill him, while the other tried to do everything within reason to prevent killing the other... Maybe they used a taser when they had a shotgun available, and only used the taser as a last resort, but the taser didn't work very well so they ended up wrestling for the SG, and the self-defence guy had to hit the other guy with a steam iron and was grossed out by it. That's 2 self-defence killings, still both entirely different. Get it? 

Do you even understand the word binary? 

FYI it's bad if your gov't is resorting to fascist tactics, especially under false pretences. It's bad if your gov't just controls the MSM and FBI. That alone should set off warning bells for you.  

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No, you're still stuck in binary. 

FYI there are varying degrees of everything, including some things that are even as extreme as 'people who have killed others'.

One person could kill 1 person, another 12. Are the "the same" io?

Maybe the 1 murder was in self-defence and the 12 were for pure sport. So although you're technically talking about two people who both killed others, they're not the same at all. Right?

Even among self-defence killers, 1 guy might have been really happy to kill that person and did everything he could to make sure that the other person died when he got the excuse to kill him, while the other tried to do everything within reason to prevent killing the other... Maybe they used a taser when they had a shotgun available, and only used the taser as a last resort, but the taser didn't work very well so they ended up wrestling for the SG, and the self-defence guy had to hit the other guy with a steam iron and was grossed out by it. That's 2 self-defence killings, still both entirely different. Get it? 

Do you even understand the word binary? 

FYI it's bad if your gov't is resorting to fascist tactics, especially under false pretences. It's bad if your gov't just controls the MSM and FBI. That alone should set off warning bells for you.  

The sheer amount of different aspects IMHO makes comparing modern America to Hitler-era Germany. Sure.. you can point out a few general similarities.. both land areas are occupied by humans and such. But when you really get into the nitty gritty of each situation.. they share almost nothing in common. Where it is most obvious is if you read the defacto manifesto of Naziism.. Mein Kempf and its distant cousin Zweites Buch. The words written by Hitler are not even close to what most modern day American/Canadian Liberals espouse. 

BTW... if you want examples of governments influencing the media/press... you could look at every nation at any point in time. 

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

BTW... if you want examples of governments influencing the media/press... you could look at every nation at any point in time. 

Again... binary. False equivalency. Blah blah blah. 

I'm just talking over your head. This is going nowhere. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Remember this: Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives have stated that they will only approve funding for Israel only if the IRS budget is cut $14 billion. 
 

Not tax cuts for you, or for me. Only for the ultra ultra rich. 

Not really for all "ultra ultra rich" ONLY for those who are cheating on their taxes, cause the IRS cuts are from enforcement.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

How would you know if you have not read it? You have no idea what the book actually says.. and it shows. Thanks for proving my point. Also, have read Das Kapital and your posts show that you have not read it either. 

SO you've supposedly read this book - but are unable to comment on it or it's relevance to the discussion.

 

Yeah - calling bullshit on you here.  People who've read a book comment on the book - they don't make 15 comments about how other people haven't read the book and refuse to talk about it themselves.

[impartialobserver]

47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Again... binary. False equivalency. Blah blah blah. 

I'm just talking over your head. This is going nowhere. 

Yes.. your entire schtick is a false equivalency. Your point is that they are one in the same and so we should be able to see the similarities and learn from it. Well.. when it is pointed out that they are more dissimilar than not and hence comparison made invalid.. you go apoplectic. The pride of Crappensburg state shows his worth again. 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The sheer amount of different aspects IMHO makes comparing modern America to Hitler-era Germany. Sure.. you can point out a few general similarities.. both land areas are occupied by humans and such. But when you really get into the nitty gritty of each situation.. they share almost nothing in common. Where it is most obvious is if you read the defacto manifesto of Naziism.. Mein Kempf and its distant cousin Zweites Buch. The words written by Hitler are not even close to what most modern day American/Canadian Liberals espouse. 
 

In practice how he controlled things and the economic models he actually went with bear more than a 'general similarity' to many of the modern day liberal ones. Sure there are differences but it's far far closer than just 'humans lived in both countries'.  You sound like you're blinded by a single source that predates his coming to power. Unfortunate.

[impartialobserver]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

SO you've supposedly read this book - but are unable to comment on it or it's relevance to the discussion.

 

Yeah - calling bullshit on you here.  People who've read a book comment on the book - they don't make 15 comments about how other people haven't read the book and refuse to talk about it themselves.

So by your logic.. no need to read the article when you can simply read the headline and blast away. I must be living the movie, "idiocracy".. next thing you will say is "Ow my Balls".

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Yes.. your entire schtick is a false equivalency. Your point is that they are one in the same and so we should be able to see the similarities and learn from it. Well.. when it is pointed out that they are more dissimilar than not and hence comparison made invalid.. you go apoplectic. The pride of Crappensburg state shows his worth again. 

After you look up binary and false equivalency, go look up apoplectic. This has the potential to be a big day for you. 

Yeah, I get that the US is not in the exact same place that the Khmer Rouge and Nazi Germans were at the worst of it, I'm not sure if you're aware of this but I never accused Joe Biden of stuffing people into kilns in this thread. I'm not sure where you got that from but it wasn't from reading my posts in English. 

FYI Germany didn't go from happy-go-lucky to "gassing Jews" overnight, yeah? Do you get it?

No one woke up one day re-assigned from a job approving loans at the bank to "stuffing people into gas chambers". They didn't flip a switch. It wasn't binary. 

It started as normal Germany and got worse and worse until at some point it was Dem-style Germany to eventually being holocaust Germany. In Dem-style Germany, Hitler had almost as much control of the German news feed as the DNC does at CNN. Hitler's control of the police went from 'normal' to "the FBI works for me now" a year or so before Kristallnacht. 

The US is not at all a comp for "normal Germany" in 1931. It's not a comp for active holocaust Germany in 1944. The US is mid-30s Germany. Goebbels has one TV station left to get rid of and the Brownshirts are rarely seen beating innocent people in public, but there are still some differences, because it's not a binary world in this respect.

Does that make sense? Do you need me to hold your little hand through all of this again? 

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

After you look up binary and false equivalency, go look up apoplectic. This has the potential to be a big day for you. 

Yeah, I get that the US is not in the exact same place that the Khmer Rouge and Nazi Germans were at the worst of it, I'm not sure if you're aware of this but I never accused Joe Biden of stuffing people into kilns in this thread. I'm not sure where you got that from but it wasn't from reading my posts in English. 

FYI Germany didn't go from happy-go-lucky to "gassing Jews" overnight, yeah? Do you get it?

No one woke up one day re-assigned from a job approving loans at the bank to "stuffing people into gas chambers". They didn't flip a switch. It wasn't binary. 

It started as normal Germany and got worse and worse until at some point it was Dem-style Germany to eventually being holocaust Germany. In Dem-style Germany, Hitler had almost as much control of the German news feed as the DNC does at CNN. Hitler's control of the police went from 'normal' to "the FBI works for me now" a year or so before Kristallnacht. 

The US is not at all a comp for "normal Germany" in 1931. It's not a comp for active holocaust Germany in 1944. The US is mid-30s Germany. Goebbels has one TV station left to get rid of and the Brownshirts are rarely seen beating innocent people in public, but there are still some differences, because it's not a binary world in this respect.

Does that make sense? Do you need me to hold your little hand through all of this again? 

The US is not a true comp for early to mid-30's Germany either. It is laughable that you discount the different levels of technology. The reason that Hitler had such control over the media is that there was far fewer outlets. Wait.. no way. Oh... and the motivation behind doing so were 100% different from anything that you think that CNN does. Your obsession with CNN is both sad and comical. You have watched more CNN in the past month than I have my entire life.

[impartialobserver]

When it comes to Hitler.. here are the four essential reads. The first two give you his true intentions before politics muddled them. The second two show how he followed through with his intentions laid out in Mein Kempf

1. Mein Kempf by Adolf Hitler

2. zweites buch by Adolf Hilter (this was written at the end of his time)

3. The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer

4. The Meaning of Hitler by Sebastian Haffner

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The US is not a true comp for early to mid-30's Germany either. It is laughable that you discount the different levels of technology. The reason that Hitler had such control over the media is that there was far fewer outlets. Wait.. no way. Oh... and the motivation behind doing so were 100% different from anything that you think that CNN does. Your obsession with CNN is both sad and comical. You have watched more CNN in the past month than I have my entire life.

The levels of technology are meaningless, it's the level of control you exert on them that counts.

The Dems had global social media outlets banning people for talking about the BSL4 lab in Wuhan.

The Dems had those same media outlets ban the NYPost for an article about Hunter's laptop that was known to be 100% true. 

People get cancelled all the time for running afoul of the Dems and their narratives. SCJs have been doxxed because they upset the Dems. Making death threats against the POTUS was cool when there was a GOP president. The FBI ran a 3-yr smear campaign against the result of the 2016 election and then criminalized discussion of 2020 election integrity. 

Shit is crazy, but it tickles your fancy so you're ok with little things like FBI crimes. You're the spitting image of a 1935 Nazi flag-waver. 

Edited October 31, 2023 by WestCanMan

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

The levels of technology are meaningless, it's the level of control you exert on them that counts.

The Dems had global social media outlets banning people for talking about the BSL4 lab in Wuhan.

The Dems had those same media outlets ban the NYPost for an article that was known to be 100% true. 

People get cancelled all the time for running afoul of the Dems and their narratives. SCJs have been doxxed because they upset the Dems. Making death threats against the POTUS was cool when there was a GOP president. The FBI ran a 3-yr smear campaign against the result of the 2016 election and then criminalized discussion of 2020 election integrity. 

Shit is crazy, but it tickles your fancy so you're ok with little things like FBI crimes. You're the spitting image of a 1935 Nazi flag-waver. 

Comparing someone getting banned on facebook (when there are thousands of other outlets) to 1933 Germany when there were 2 or 3 outlets at most is comical.. Wow... the comedian strikes again. I am a realist who does not buy into hyperbole.. unlike you.