Should mental Health Professionals Be Culpable For Failures Like The Maine Shooting?

[CdnFox]

 

53 minutes ago, Hodad said:

We've had versions of this conversation several times before. You say there's no barrier, but then also point out the aggressions and disproportionate hardships you--and now your wife--have overcome but you made it.

Which makes this the point at which I say "Thanks for helping to make my point."

The possibility is not the same as the probability. Great that you overcame the systemic and cultural headwinds to achieve level of success with which you are happy. Just imagine how much further along you'd be if you worked just as hard while enjoying the tailwinds that are the "birthright" of every white male. 

Sure it's possible to finish a marathon if someone shackles you with 10 pound ankle weights, but you won't win, and a lot of people will give up long before the finish, because there's no winning a rigged race.

All those things you and your wife have overcome isn't proof that there's no systemic and cultural bias. It's proof that there is. White privilege is very real. The patriarchy is very real. They are persistent and pernicious, and they reliably show up in the data.

 

God damn you are a disgustingly racist person,.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

disproportionate hardships

You mean of life being hard? My parents are refugees. They escaped a likely certain death or crisis in Haiti. 

My mother struggled due to her lack of English. Not her skin color. 

She managed to find menial jobs, and worked heavy hours to give her kids a better future.

We weren't poor due to systemic racism. She came to a country ill equipped to survive in significant portions of it.

Which is precisely why we were able to pull ourselves out of poverty.

My mother refused to see herself as a victim. She reminded us our situation was simply our current circumstance. It wasn't our identity. 

Many surrounding us remained poor, because they accepted themselves as inferior.

Again. Not due to systemic racism.

If you approach employers with zero English, you unfortunately will be hard pressed to find work outside of low pay labor.

Where we differ, is you believe in victimhood. I believe in empowerment.

Women aren't victims of a gatekeeping system. They have the opportunity and laws allowing them to empower themselves. 

The same can be said for people like me. People like my wife. 

Accept this victimhood, and you will refuse to see opportunity. 

Will equate your hardships, to racism. Sexism.

Hardship is part of life. 

Some overcome obstacles, some use this as an excuse. A vagina will not stop you from opportunity in Canada or the United States. You have yet to prove as such, after making such veiled claims.

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

Which makes this the point at which I say "Thanks for helping to make my point."

You know the irony? All of the people telling me I wouldn't make it, shared the same skin color as me.

The people telling me I was trying to be white, by seeking to be the best student in the post secondary education I got. By being a bookworm, and following my mothers advice to sharpen my mind by constantly growing and learning.

Working in high paying jobs. 

This was my peers telling me I had changed. 

 Not a single white person has ever gotten in my way. I was never pulled back by a single white person. Ever. 

In fact, competing for roles with white people, almost had me come out on top. Because of my skin color? 

No, because I have nothing to lose  and work with the constant reminder of the level of hunger that I had, poverty I come from and knowing they won't survive hardships like I can. This became a huge asset for me in business. Calmness under pressures that would break people.

My wife is no different. 

She was pulled back, by people who shared the skin color she did. 

She was never pushed down by a single white person.

Those whitey microaggressions you speak of, just don't exist.

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

there's no winning a rigged race.

There is no such thing as a system favoring whites. You have yet to prove otherwise.

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

All those things you and your wife have overcome isn't proof that there's no systemic and cultural bias

No, its you assuming those biases came from white people, or an oppressive system built to hold us down.

Not being pulled down by crab minded people within my own community.

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

The patriarchy is very real

Yet you can't point to it or prove its existence.

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

They are persistent and pernicious, and they reliably show up in the data.

Am clearly open minded, yet you have yet to show any data that proves your point.

The lack of black US presidents, don't prove your point. The lack of black billionaires don't prove your point.

Lack of women in highly influential positions, don't prove your point.

All those stats prove, is that there is a disparity as per you pointing out. Nothing to prove it is because of race or gender.

Try harder.

[Guest]

What bothers me is bad logic.

IE jails are populated by mostly blacks, so are racist.

Aren't mostly black people in those jails because of crimes they have committed?

Then pointing to their poverty.

Okay, so their poverty is unique to their skin color? There aren't millions of white people living in poverty?

But its different?

Like what, the higher likelihood of being brought up without a father influencing a child's choices in life?

None of these hardships are systemic. They are cyclical.

Meaning they aren't due to racism. I know as I grew up in such a community.

I saw tons of white people struggling along with us. Never saw a single one getting in our way.

Was warned about police, yet never hard a disrespectful encounter with one, and egads....never was disrespected by one.

Warned about white people taking from us, yet when I saw the forced entries into my home. Thefts, and the like, the people committing them, looked just like me.

Black people who call it like it is, have their skin color come into question. Play the victim card, and all is well. Same reason I associated with so few within my community.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

What bothers me is bad logic.

IE jails are populated by mostly blacks, so are racist.

Aren't mostly black people in those jails because of crimes they have committed?

Then pointing to their poverty.

Okay, so their poverty is unique to their skin color? There aren't millions of white people living in poverty?

But its different?

Like what, the higher likelihood of being brought up without a father influencing a child's choices in life?

None of these hardships are systemic. They are cyclical.

Meaning they aren't due to racism. I know as I grew up in such a community.

I saw tons of white people struggling along with us. Never saw a single one getting in our way.

Was warned about police, yet never hard a disrespectful encounter with one, and egads....never was disrespected by one.

Warned about white people taking from us, yet when I saw the forced entries into my home. Thefts, and the like, the people committing them, looked just like me.

Black people who call it like it is, have their skin color come into question. Play the victim card, and all is well. Same reason I associated with so few within my community.

True.  And there's also this weird idea that only large groups face hardship and they all experience it more or less equally, which is ridiculous.

Disabled people can face horrible prejudice and hardship. Dyslexics, aspberger spectrum etc all the neurodivergents out there can find the world horrifically challenging and frequently be discriminated against.

Really fat people are discriminated against, etc etc. And all those can be white or male or both but.... sure, no white male ever faces racism or discrimination or challenges succeeding.

We just don't throw pity parties for them.

[impartialobserver]

It would depend on the situation. If the mental health professional knew of the issues, had documented them, and had the power to impede the assailant.. then possibly yes hold them culpable for what the assailant does. However, there is a lot of context involved and glossing over the minutiae serves no purpose. 

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I saw tons of white people struggling along with us. Never saw a single one getting in our way.

I honestly think that a certain amount of racial hatred/mistrust/division, or whatever you want to call it, benefits some people, and I don't exactly know who or why.

In my opinion I see the love of division more on the left than the right, but TBH I don't think it's limited to one side of the political spectrum (Eg, Dems and GOP seem to love the border and abortion fights but they never want to solve them... they love a good wedge issue) and I don't think it's limited to one country and I don't think it's limited to one religion.

It seems more like a class war.

The monarchy/sheikhs/captains of industry/heads of state of the world seem to love each other more than they love their own lower classes. It's like they're just casually playing chess and we're the pawns. At the end of the day if the rich get richer the slaughter of peons doesn't seem to matter to them - they'll quickly get over it.

They can always wheel and deal with each other and switch sides with no resentment whatsoever, but they always want us to be ready to go for each other's throats. 

JMO. 

[CdnFox]

@Hodad @Perspektiv

 

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/canada/systemic-racism-data-canada

Data on education and wages don't show systemic racism in Canada: study

Lau said. “I mean, there’s always discrimination in society, but the idea that our institutions are rigged or set up in such a way to disfavour minorities, I think the evidence is not there.”

 

Lau - that's a bit of a white male overlord privileged name isn't it? Probably bias.  

 

I doubt things are much different in the states. I suspect a deep dive would show that racism isnt' nearly as 'systemic' as they say.

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

It would depend on the situation. If the mental health professional knew of the issues, had documented them, and had the power to impede the assailant.. then possibly yes hold them culpable for what the assailant does. However, there is a lot of context involved and glossing over the minutiae serves no purpose. 

Mental health professionals are aware that this particular shooter had 'homicidal ideations' and heard voices in his head that were saying things that were not good. It's like the common theme among the worst mass murderers in America. 

That is the mental health equivalent of watching a guy with a bunch of dynamite in his hand yelling religious praises with his hand on a button, and just saying "Should we take that button away or should we just see how it plays out?"

Two weeks? "Yup, he's cured. We have complete faith in our modern methods of treatment. We gave him a handful of pills and released him on his own recognizance." 

I'm really sick of hearing that. I wanna hear something like "The team that reviewed him psychologically have been placed on administrative leave pending the result of an enquiry. Or more of a Spanish-style 'inquiry'."

[reason10]

On 10/27/2023 at 12:47 PM, WestCanMan said:

Robert Card was hearing voices and expressing his intent to kill people.

He was institutionalized for two weeks because of it in August, but then released, still with the ability to buy/own guns. Two months later he killed 20 people. 

This isn't a failure of "the system": a danger to society was identified, directed to the correct place for treatment, and then "released", or even inflicted on the public. It's a failure of the medical professionals who treated him imo. 

Everyone knows how serious it is to hear violent voices in your head. Ever since I was a kid we'd joke around and say "The voices in my head don't like you."

How did these medical professionals shrug that off? Are they guilty of failing to the point where they should be held criminally or civilly liable? Obviously job action is required imo. 

If we are going to hold shrinks accountable for such things, why limit this to mass murders? How about the practice of emptying insane asylums, creating the current homelessness crisis we have now? There could be BILLIONS of dollars to be made in THOSE lawsuits.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, reason10 said:

If we are going to hold shrinks accountable for such things, why limit this to mass murders? How about the practice of emptying insane asylums, creating the current homelessness crisis we have now? There could be BILLIONS of dollars to be made in THOSE lawsuits.

If you look at the sad history of asylums, sanitariums, and whatever else you wanna call them, you'd probably wanna keep the Drs in there and let the patients out too.

It's bizarre that in 2023 we can land people on the moon and even contemplate sending them to Mars to live indefinitely, but we still can't take care of the mentally ill right in our own back yard. 

I think we need asylums, but I think that we need video monitoring by the public 24/7. Maybe people would pay to watch, and that could help with the funding. It would be like the Jerry Springer show, but with more sophisticated guests. 

[reason10]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If you look at the sad history of asylums, sanitariums, and whatever else you wanna call them, you'd probably wanna keep the Drs in there and let the patients out too.

It's bizarre that in 2023 we can land people on the moon and even contemplate sending them to Mars to live indefinitely, but we still can't take care of the mentally ill right in our own back yard. 

I think we need asylums, but I think that we need video monitoring by the public 24/7. Maybe people would pay to watch, and that could help with the funding. It would be like the Jerry Springer show, but with more sophisticated guests. 

A couple of points:

1. It was JFK who signed the bill deinstitutionalizing insane asylums and releasing those nut jobs into the streets.

2. Funny when people mention the moon landings today, considering that the Apollo program was scrapped because the liberals didn't want to spend the money on space exploration but rather on more WELFARE spending. Gee! Look how that turned out. Between WELFARE spending, and Obama/Biden giving BILLIONS to IslamoFascists, it's no wonder why the nuthouses aren't fully funded.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

@Hodad @Perspektiv

 

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/canada/systemic-racism-data-canada

Data on education and wages don't show systemic racism in Canada: study

Lau said. “I mean, there’s always discrimination in society, but the idea that our institutions are rigged or set up in such a way to disfavour minorities, I think the evidence is not there.”

 

Lau - that's a bit of a white male overlord privileged name isn't it? Probably bias.  

 

I doubt things are much different in the states. I suspect a deep dive would show that racism isnt' nearly as 'systemic' as they say.

Reality, is if some don't cling to that systemic racism, that they will have to accept the reality.

IE some state black people do poorly in school. Minorities do poorly in school.

This is quickly debunked when looking at the level of high education and high wages, among the Asian community.

It debunks the systemic racism lie.

What, are Asian people not minority enough? Is it not a fair comparison, because they are smarter?

Or is it that Asian culture in general, tend to put an immense importance on family, and an education.

In the black community, you have a high drop out rate. High fatherless rate. The major issues are clearly cultural, and not racism based.

There is also a high percentage of entrepreneurs coming from this demographic, along with a significantly lower percentage of them in jail.

Main reason you won't see people use this demographic when discussing disparity.

 

[Hodad]

11 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

What bothers me is bad logic.

IE jails are populated by mostly blacks, so are racist.

Aren't mostly black people in those jails because of crimes they have committed?

Then pointing to their poverty.

Okay, so their poverty is unique to their skin color? There aren't millions of white people living in poverty?

But its different?

Like what, the higher likelihood of being brought up without a father influencing a child's choices in life?

None of these hardships are systemic. They are cyclical.

Meaning they aren't due to racism. I know as I grew up in such a community.

I saw tons of white people struggling along with us. Never saw a single one getting in our way.

Was warned about police, yet never hard a disrespectful encounter with one, and egads....never was disrespected by one.

Warned about white people taking from us, yet when I saw the forced entries into my home. Thefts, and the like, the people committing them, looked just like me.

Black people who call it like it is, have their skin color come into question. Play the victim card, and all is well. Same reason I associated with so few within my community.

To be blunt, it feels a lot like you're asking me for data that shows water is wet or the sky is blue. There is nothing remotely controversial about what I've said. It's been an area of formal study for literally decades. There are mountains of books--both broad and specialized--examining the causes of systemic discrimination and marginilization. They make movies about it. Bias mitigation strategies are in place at every big business and major institution. 

This feels really reductive, because you can observe biases against women and minorities in nearly every facet of our society, but even if you just look at basic similarity bias it should be obvious that in a power structure dominated by white men, white men have an advantage. And people who are ignorant of that bias certainly aren't going to control for it.  

Again, classic name switch studies are very good at revealing bias. This is a replicable study that has been repeated by many institutions over the years, but this example is probably aligned to the time you were applying for jobs. Net net is that controlling for variables in resume quality, resumes with traditionally Black or Black-sounding names needed 50% more submissions to get a callback. The same differential as 8 years of experience. And that's before anyone sits down for an interview, where familiarity bias creates an even larger gap.

Here's another broader trend (which I've discussed with associates recently): resume "whitening."

In fact, companies are more than twice as likely to call minority applicants for interviews if they submit whitened resumes than candidates who reveal their race—and this discriminatory practice is just as strong for businesses that claim to value diversity as those that don’t.

Here's an interesting gender swap. Women are "penalized" in hiring for having very high grades.

I conducted an audit study by submitting 2,106 job applications that experimentally manipulated applicants’ GPA, gender, and college major. Although GPA matters little for men, women benefit from moderate achievement but not high achievement. As a result, high-achieving men are called back significantly more often than high-achieving women—at a rate of nearly 2-to-1.

Or numerous studies that identify massive gaps in promotions for women as prestige increases. This is a recent one.

In the paper, “’Potential’ and the Gender Promotion Gap,” Li found that on average, women received higher performance ratings than male employees, but received 8.3% lower ratings for potential than men. The result was that female employees on average were 14% less likely to be promoted than their male colleagues.

To determine whether women and men were assessed the same in terms of their potential, Li and co-researchers Alan Benson and Kelly Shue studied data on 30,000 management-track employees at a large North American retail chain between February 2009 and October 2015. Women made up about 56% of entry-level workers at the company. Rising through the ranks, women made up 48% of department managers, 35% of store managers, and 14% of district managers.

 

Look, obviously we're not even really scratching the surface here. I'm not going to be able to give you a sociology course, let alone a rich sociology education. But the point is that nobody is "making up" issues of race and gender discrimination in this county. It ranges from overt discrimination to unconscious bias, but it's real and it's everywhere. I threw a few at you from hiring, but there are thousands of studies that identify the same trends in nearly every facet of life.

When you deny that these things exist--phenomena that are very well documented--it feels a lot like willful blindness to support a political narrative. I'm glad that you're happy with what you overcame and with what you achieved. That's great. But your feelings don't invalidate the exhaustive research, and they certainly don't invalidate the feelings--the discouragement and depression--of people who are not overcoming their headwinds and are justifiably pissed about it.

 

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by Hodad

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Hodad said:

To be blunt, it feels a lot like you're asking me for data that shows water is wet or the sky is blue. There is nothing remotely controversial about what I've said. It's been an area of formal study for literally decades. There are mountains of books--both broad and specialized--examining the causes of systemic discrimination and marginilization. They make movies about it. Bias mitigation strategies are in place at every big business and major institution. 

This feels really reductive, because you can observe biases against women and minorities in nearly every facet of our society, but even if you just look at basic similarity bias it should be obvious that in a power structure dominated by white men, white men have an advantage. And people who are ignorant of that bias certainly aren't going to control for it.  

Again, classic name switch studies are very good at revealing bias. This is a replicable study that has been repeated by many institutions over the years, but this example is probably aligned to the time you were applying for jobs. Net net is that controlling for variables in resume quality, resumes with traditionally Black or Black-sounding names needed 50% more submissions to get a callback. The same differential as 8 years of experience. And that's before anyone sits down for an interview, where familiarity bias creates an even larger gap.

Here's another broader trend (which I've discussed with associates recently): resume "whitening."

In fact, companies are more than twice as likely to call minority applicants for interviews if they submit whitened resumes than candidates who reveal their race—and this discriminatory practice is just as strong for businesses that claim to value diversity as those that don’t.

Here's an interesting gender swap. Women are "penalized" in hiring for having very high grades.

I conducted an audit study by submitting 2,106 job applications that experimentally manipulated applicants’ GPA, gender, and college major. Although GPA matters little for men, women benefit from moderate achievement but not high achievement. As a result, high-achieving men are called back significantly more often than high-achieving women—at a rate of nearly 2-to-1.

Or numerous studies that identify massive gaps in promotions for women as prestige increases. This is a recent one.

In the paper, “’Potential’ and the Gender Promotion Gap,” Li found that on average, women received higher performance ratings than male employees, but received 8.3% lower ratings for potential than men. The result was that female employees on average were 14% less likely to be promoted than their male colleagues.

To determine whether women and men were assessed the same in terms of their potential, Li and co-researchers Alan Benson and Kelly Shue studied data on 30,000 management-track employees at a large North American retail chain between February 2009 and October 2015. Women made up about 56% of entry-level workers at the company. Rising through the ranks, women made up 48% of department managers, 35% of store managers, and 14% of district managers.

 

Look, obviously we're not even really scratching the surface here. I'm not going to be able to give you a sociology course, let alone a rich sociology education. But the point is that nobody is "making up" issues of race and gender discrimination in this county. It ranges from overt discrimination to unconscious bias, but it's real and it's everywhere. I threw a few at you from hiring, but there are thousands of studies that identify the same trends in nearly every facet of life.

When you deny that these things exist--phenomena that are very well documented--it feels a lot like willful blindness to support a political narrative. I'm glad that you're happy with what you overcame and with what you achieved. That's great. But your feelings don't invalidate the exhaustive research, and they certainly don't invalidate the feelings--the discouragement and depression--of people who are not overcoming their headwinds and are justifiably pissed about it.

 

 

The reality is it is extremely controversial and as i just posted there's more than enough to disprove many of the 'studies'.  It's a sad fact that there is a LOT of money to be made telling people they are victims when they are not. There is a tonne of evidence to suggest that there isn't anything holding anyone back from a very positive outcome in either country.

Nobody has it "Harder".  There are people who will have one challenge or another.  But by and large everyone has the same chances to get ahead especially if what you're talking about is a medium to high middle class lifestyle.

The whole "you're a victim" thing is just an industry, the latest in snake oil peddlers. 

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, Hodad said:

To be blunt, it feels a lot like you're asking me for data that shows water is wet or the sky is blue.

To be blunt, you're part of the sea-lioning crowd, who deny every bit of accepted knowledge in the world that thwarts their own lies. 

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examining the causes of systemic discrimination and marginilization.

You've jumped right to "causes" of systemic racism and marginalization without even proof of its existence.

We're accused of systemic racism against blacks here in Canada and I can tell you it's not even real.

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They make movies about it.

I guess it must be real lol.

Do you get it? 

Just like Superman...?

Also, does Hollywood culture encourage black kids to take a dark path by glorifying gang culture? Why do kids feel cool when they're part of a gang, even when they definitely don't need to be?

When I think of "systemic racism", I think of rap music and shitty movies that portray negative stereotypes as pop culture icons, not companies that already have lots of black people working there. 

Sorry, I know that's all over your head, just disregard it. It's for other people. 

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Bias mitigation strategies are in place at every big business and major institution. 

Woke BS has infiltrated every big business and major institution. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

To be blunt, it feels a lot like you're asking me for data that shows water is wet or the sky is blue.

No. Just because the NHL is mostly made up of white hockey players, doesn't mean it's systemically racist.

You're equating a low representation in positions that make up a very low percentage of the jobs out there as something systemic.

It's lazy. It doesn't delve into the intricacies as to why more men than women would want to run as a president. Why more women would run as secretaries, and are just making the assumption that it is racism, when no systemic evidence shows that this is the case.

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

nobody is "making up" issues of race and gender discrimination in this county. 

Not what am saying. Skin color will not stop you from opportunity. Gender, won't stop you from opportunity. Thats what am saying. 

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

people who are not overcoming their headwinds and are justifiably pissed about it.

My mother couldn't speak English. This isn't discrimination. 

I guarantee you, if I spoke to most people complaining they can't advance in someplace because of their skin color, I would be willing to bet my life on it being something more complicated than that.

IE attitudes, work ethic, and many dynamics that could push one towards failure. You know like the astronomically high drop out rate for black youth. This is pointing to something demonstrable. 

You're just taking chunks of data that show black people without good jobs, and are equating it to racism without proof. Of systems that are blocking them, without any being in existence.

Honest question. Have you ever experienced racism?

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

No. Just because the NHL is mostly made up of white hockey players, doesn't mean it's systemically racist.

You're equating a low representation in positions that make up a very low percentage of the jobs out there as something systemic.

This is one of the big problems in that whole argument.  If there aren't exactly as many female doctors as male, or female lawyers or scientists etc etc - then it's somehow proof of systemic racism ipso facto.  That that is not remotely accurate.  

This is the same as the 'wage gap', where women in an industry get paid less on average than a man does so it's "sexism". But it turns out that it's not true -the men put in more overtime, the men are working on their careers while women take time off for children, and in fact before child bearing years women tend to make more than men.  There are factors that have nothing to do with sexism that easily explain the vast majority of the difference.

But it MUST be sexism. But it isn't.  Same with a lot of other 'outcome' based theories of systemic racism.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

No. Just because the NHL is mostly made up of white hockey players, doesn't mean it's systemically racist.

You're equating a low representation in positions that make up a very low percentage of the jobs out there as something systemic.

It's lazy. It doesn't delve into the intricacies as to why more men than women would want to run as a president. Why more women would run as secretaries, and are just making the assumption that it is racism, when no systemic evidence shows that this is the case.

Not what am saying. Skin color will not stop you from opportunity. Gender, won't stop you from opportunity. Thats what am saying. 

My mother couldn't speak English. This isn't discrimination. 

I guarantee you, if I spoke to most people complaining they can't advance in someplace because of their skin color, I would be willing to bet my life on it being something more complicated than that.

IE attitudes, work ethic, and many dynamics that could push one towards failure. You know like the astronomically high drop out rate for black youth. This is pointing to something demonstrable. 

You're just taking chunks of data that show black people without good jobs, and are equating it to racism without proof. Of systems that are blocking them, without any being in existence.

Honest question. Have you ever experienced racism?

You asked for data. I provided multiple examples of studies--of which there are many--that are as simple as name swaps on resumes, controlling for all other variables. 

You promptly ignored them and returned to telling me about your perception. Okay.

And no, by accident of birth I've had things pretty easy. I wasn't born to money, but as a straight, white male I get the benefit of the doubt every time. The power structure works in my favor, so I've never experienced real discrimination. I sure have seen it in the workplace though.

It doesn't mean I didn't have to work hard to get where I am. (I'm a HENRY at this point.) But it's objectively true that I would have had to work X% harder if I had been a minority or a woman.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

To be blunt, you're part of the sea-lioning crowd, who deny every bit of accepted knowledge in the world that thwarts their own lies. 

You've jumped right to "causes" of systemic racism and marginalization without even proof of its existence.

We're accused of systemic racism against blacks here in Canada and I can tell you it's not even real.

I guess it must be real lol.

Do you get it? 

Just like Superman...?

Also, does Hollywood culture encourage black kids to take a dark path by glorifying gang culture? Why do kids feel cool when they're part of a gang, even when they definitely don't need to be?

When I think of "systemic racism", I think of rap music and shitty movies that portray negative stereotypes as pop culture icons, not companies that already have lots of black people working there. 

Sorry, I know that's all over your head, just disregard it. It's for other people. 

Woke BS has infiltrated every big business and major institution. 

The regurgitated crap in your own twisted, private "reality" is not accepted knowledge. 90% of it is pure bullshit, so you get called on it. What. Go watch more FOX broadcasts from the future on your magic TV.?

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The regurgitated crap in your own twisted, private "reality" is not accepted knowledge. 90% of it is pure bullshit, so you get called on it. What. Go watch more FOX broadcasts from the future on your magic TV.?

Awwww, poor wittow hodad got skoowed agin. Bew-hew.

Let me ask you this: If you had a black kid, would you want them watching shows and listening to music that leaves them thinking that school is for suckers, and gangs are cool? 

My son's best childhood friend has a luxury cabin in the interior to go to, his dad drives a Range Rover diesel, they have a boat, they live in a luxury home, but he identifies as a cop-hatin' gangsta. He has been suspended from school for slapping a girl and cussing her out. 

That's not his reality. He learned it somewhere, and it wasn't from crackers like me. 

[Gaétan]

People shouldn't be allowed to own guns because people who want to own a weapon made for the goal to kill is mentally unfit punto final.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

People shouldn't be allowed to own guns because people who want to own a weapon made for the goal to kill is mentally unfit punto final.

well...  you sure made your case that it's gun owners that are the crazy ones.   

[Caswell Thomas]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But don't kid yourself billy, if a deer ever got the chance it'd kill you and everyone you care about.  (dun dun duuuuuuun)

having had a rib cracked by one which came stumbling up on me while I was ( and had been for hours) sitting..facing the other way watching a pair come up a distant hilltop, I agree.  Imagine that, we agreeing on something! Lol

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

having had a rib cracked by one which came stumbling up on me while I was ( and had been for hours) sitting..facing the other way watching a pair come up a distant hilltop, I agree.  Imagine that, we agreeing on something! Lol

Ya roll the dice often enough and i guess they're going to come up double sixes once in a while  

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Awwww, poor wittow hodad got skoowed agin. Bew-hew.

Let me ask you this: If you had a black kid, would you want them watching shows and listening to music that leaves them thinking that school is for suckers, and gangs are cool? 

My son's best childhood friend has a luxury cabin in the interior to go to, his dad drives a Range Rover diesel, they have a boat, they live in a luxury home, but he identifies as a cop-hatin' gangsta. He has been suspended from school for slapping a girl and cussing her out. 

That's not his reality. He learned it somewhere, and it wasn't from crackers like me. 

To "school" someone you'd do better to try saying something remotely intelligent. I simply can't take you seriously. It's like trying to argue with a crazy guy ranting on a street corner. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Hodad