Complicit in War Crimes

[User]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

By offering something more hopeful.

Let us know how that works out.

Another non-answer. Offering them what? How does this stop Hamas?

It is not on me to let you know how it works out, this is your stupid dishonest argument. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

Another non-answer. Offering them what? How does this stop Hamas?

Offering Palestinians peace would rob Hamas of the oxygen you people currently have on tap.

1 hour ago, User said:

It is not on me to let you know how it works out, this is your stupid dishonest argument. 

And in the meantime we can see how brilliantly oppression is working out.

Have fun with it.

[User]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Offering Palestinians peace would rob Hamas of the oxygen you people currently have on tap.

And in the meantime we can see how brilliantly oppression is working out.

Have fun with it.

Hamas is the one waging war… what peace would be offered to whom?

You are so full of shit as always.

Empty words that have nothing behind them. Just Hamas still in power killing people. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

You can't accept Palestinian resistance to oppression so you call it terrorism.

 

 

You referred to the oct 8 attack as Palestinian resistance to oppression and stated that it's their HUMAN RIGHT to do so. 

And that was terrorism.  You cannot simply dismiss terrorism as being Palestinians resisting oppression." 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Offering Palestinians peace would rob Hamas of the oxygen you people currently have on tap.

The Palestinians have been offered peace for almost 80 years, eyeball. 

There has never been a moment when the offer of peace wasn't on the table while you have been alive. 

Palestinians do not want peace.

What part of "The Three Noes" don't you get?

Do you know about the three noes, eyeball?

• No peace with Israel
• No negotiation with Israel
• No recognition of Israel

What makes you think that "peace" was ever one of the Palestinians' goals? Who told you that?

You're sitting there trying to negotiate something for them that THEY DO NOT WANT.

I'd like for you to point me to something from the Palestinians or Hamas or from anyone else speaking for them, that says that one of their goals is peace....

[WestCanMan]

@eyeball @Gaétan Who has street celebrations where children can spit on the naked corpses of r4ped and murdered women, aside from Gazans?

Are you men, or mice? C'mon, squeak up!! 

It's just words, guys. Don't be afraid to just try to say words to me. All I can do is say other words back. 

Are you afraid of the truth? Can you show us on the dolly where the truth hurt you? 

And eyeball, don't say that the Palestinians want peace again. I still feel embarrassed for you. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Offering Palestinians peace would rob Hamas of the oxygen you people currently have on tap.

That happened.  It didn't. 

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And in the meantime we can see how brilliantly oppression is working out.

Well.... 1200 israelis dead,  72,000 Palestinians by some counts.    Plus they'll likely take over a good hunk of gaza and managed to talk the us into bombing the snot out of the iranian nuclear program. And they're trashing hezbollah and may take some of their land too. 

I wouldn't say it's working out BAD for them... 

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Have fun with it.  

 

Oh i think they're having a lot more fun than those Palestinian terrorists and their supporters you're so fond of   

[WestCanMan]

@eyeball, for your edification...

ME Timeline:

August 1947, Pakistani Partition:

• The British were ending their colonial reign over the ME after WWII, and accepted the request of muslim separatists to carve out a sovereign nation for them from inside of India. On day 1 the Pakistanis shoot, stab, burn and hang 800,000 Sikhs and Hindus, and drive 8M others out, leaving Pakistan almost completely ethnically cleansed.
• That same day, neighbouring muslim countries started opening embassies and establishing normal relations with them, as if nothing bad had ever happened. For 80 years, Pakistan has been embraced as a good neighbour, despite committing a second, even larger genocide in 1971. 

May 1948, Israeli Partition:

• Following the exact same script as above, the British are ending their colonial reign over the ME after WWII, and they accepted the request of Jewish separatists to carve out a sovereign nation for them from inside of what was then the province of Palestine.
• Countries that welcomed Pakistani partition, and were neutral to the slaughter of 800,000 Sikhs and Hindus there just 8 months earlier, have taken notice of the fact that nothing happened to Pakistan, and they feel like it's time for another post-partition ethnic cleansing, so Israel is attacked on day 1 of their existence.
• May 14 1948, little Israel is attacked by the combined armies of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Yemen, as well as whatever armies and militias the Palestinians could muster. 
• That 10-month "war", which was really an attempted genocide against the Jews in Israel, resulted in the Israelis holding their own territory, as well as taking over 60% of the territory that was allotted to Palestine. 

6-Day War, 1967:

• Israel has been on the outs with every single muslim country since their inception. Non-cooperation and hostility have existed for every day since partition, so Israel's only trade routes are across the water. Egypt has been in the habit of trying to blockade Israel's southeastern port "Eilat", and kicked the UN out of the Sinai so that they could again close off that port. Israel had warned them that closing off that port would cause war, and so they struck back on June 5th, driving Egyptian forces all the way across the Sinai Peninsula. Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon were also in that war, which ended very badly for them. Once agin, a genocide against Israel had been thwarted. 

The Khartoum Resolution (3 noes):

• A few months after being defeated in the 6-day war, 8 Arab nations met in Sudan to solidify a plan to deal with Israel. Their position is that at no point, ever, can any Arab nation establish friendly relations with Israel, and their new policy is centred around The 3 Noes...
• no recognition of Israel as a nation
• no peace with Israel
• no negotiations with Israel. Israel is just frozen out forever

At this point, take note of the treatment of Pakistan and Israel since partition by ME muslims:

• Pakistan killed 800,000 people to ethnically cleanse their country
• Israel killed less than 500 people to that end
• Pakistan drove 8,000,000 people out of their ancestral homes, with no right to ever return
• Israel expelled less than 1/10th as many people, about 700k
• Pakistan almost completely wiped out minorities. Less than 2% of Pakistan was non-muslim after that
• Israel was not ethnically cleansed. 10% of Israel remains muslim to this day, and muslims in Israel have more human rights (both on the books and in practice) to this day than they do in any muslim nation. 
• Pakistan was accepted as a good neighbour immediately by muslims nations in the ME
• Israel was never accept as a nation, and the nations that accepted Pakistan tried to commit genocide against Israel. Twice.

Israeli Peace Proposals Since 1967:

Historical and Key Proposals:

AI Overview:

Israeli peace proposals have historically aimed at resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict through land-for-peace deals, with major initiatives focusing on a two-state solution, including the 1993 Oslo Accords, the 2000 Camp David summit, and various "roadmaps". Key, recurring issues include borders, the status of Jerusalem, Jewish settlements, and Palestinian refugees

• Allon Plan (1967): Following the Six-Day War, this plan proposed returning most of the West Bank to Arab control while retaining strategic areas for Israeli security.
• Oslo Accords (1993–1995): Israel and the PLO recognized each other, establishing the Palestinian Authority (PA) as an interim self-government for the West Bank and Gaza.
• 2000 Camp David Summit: Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered a Palestinian state with limited sovereignty, with Israel retaining major settlement blocks and security control over sections of the West Bank.
• The Clinton Parameters (2000): A proposed framework for peace suggesting 94–96% of the West Bank for Palestine, a land swap, and dividing Jerusalem.
• Israeli Peace Initiative (2011): A proposal from the Israeli left-wing in response to the Arab Peace Initiative, calling for a near-total withdrawal from the West Bank and a shared capital in Jerusalem.
• Trump Peace Plan (2020): Often dubbed the "Peace to Prosperity" plan, it favored Israeli security interests and annexations in the West Bank

Nothing has ever been good enough. 

The only thing that Palestinians have ever been willing to accept is full autonomy over the entire region, and they feel like it's just a matter of time before they finally manage to ethnically cleane the region of Jews.

Since 2005 the Israelis were completely out of Gaza, allowing them full sovereignty within their borders. Then Came Oct 7th.

1. PALESTINIANS DON'T WANT PEACE. They only want a genocide against Israel.
2. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED IN 1948 IS MEANINGLESS TO ARABS. They only care about the religion of the dead people. 800,000 dead Sikhs and Hindus means nothing to them, but less than 500 dead muslims has caused them 80 years of sleepless nights. 

 

[Gaétan]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

@eyeball, for your edification...

ME Timeline:

August 1947, Pakistani Partition:

• The British were ending their colonial reign over the ME after WWII, and accepted the request of muslim separatists to carve out a sovereign nation for them from inside of India. On day 1 the Pakistanis shoot, stab, burn and hang 800,000 Sikhs and Hindus, and drive 8M others out, leaving Pakistan almost completely ethnically cleansed.
• That same day, neighbouring muslim countries started opening embassies and establishing normal relations with them, as if nothing bad had ever happened. For 80 years, Pakistan has been embraced as a good neighbour, despite committing a second, even larger genocide in 1971. 

May 1948, Israeli Partition:

• Following the exact same script as above, the British are ending their colonial reign over the ME after WWII, and they accepted the request of Jewish separatists to carve out a sovereign nation for them from inside of what was then the province of Palestine.
• Countries that welcomed Pakistani partition, and were neutral to the slaughter of 800,000 Sikhs and Hindus there just 8 months earlier, have taken notice of the fact that nothing happened to Pakistan, and they feel like it's time for another post-partition ethnic cleansing, so Israel is attacked on day 1 of their existence.
• May 14 1948, little Israel is attacked by the combined armies of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Yemen, as well as whatever armies and militias the Palestinians could muster. 
• That 10-month "war", which was really an attempted genocide against the Jews in Israel, resulted in the Israelis holding their own territory, as well as taking over 60% of the territory that was allotted to Palestine. 

6-Day War, 1967:

• Israel has been on the outs with every single muslim country since their inception. Non-cooperation and hostility have existed for every day since partition, so Israel's only trade routes are across the water. Egypt has been in the habit of trying to blockade Israel's southeastern port "Eilat", and kicked the UN out of the Sinai so that they could again close off that port. Israel had warned them that closing off that port would cause war, and so they struck back on June 5th, driving Egyptian forces all the way across the Sinai Peninsula. Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon were also in that war, which ended very badly for them. Once agin, a genocide against Israel had been thwarted. 

The Khartoum Resolution (3 noes):

• A few months after being defeated in the 6-day war, 8 Arab nations met in Sudan to solidify a plan to deal with Israel. Their position is that at no point, ever, can any Arab nation establish friendly relations with Israel, and their new policy is centred around The 3 Noes...
• no recognition of Israel as a nation
• no peace with Israel
• no negotiations with Israel. Israel is just frozen out forever

At this point, take note of the treatment of Pakistan and Israel since partition by ME muslims:

• Pakistan killed 800,000 people to ethnically cleanse their country
• Israel killed less than 500 people to that end
• Pakistan drove 8,000,000 people out of their ancestral homes, with no right to ever return
• Israel expelled less than 1/10th as many people, about 700k
• Pakistan almost completely wiped out minorities. Less than 2% of Pakistan was non-muslim after that
• Israel was not ethnically cleansed. 10% of Israel remains muslim to this day, and muslims in Israel have more human rights (both on the books and in practice) to this day than they do in any muslim nation. 
• Pakistan was accepted as a good neighbour immediately by muslims nations in the ME
• Israel was never accept as a nation, and the nations that accepted Pakistan tried to commit genocide against Israel. Twice.

Israeli Peace Proposals Since 1967:

Historical and Key Proposals:

AI Overview:

Israeli peace proposals have historically aimed at resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict through land-for-peace deals, with major initiatives focusing on a two-state solution, including the 1993 Oslo Accords, the 2000 Camp David summit, and various "roadmaps". Key, recurring issues include borders, the status of Jerusalem, Jewish settlements, and Palestinian refugees

• Allon Plan (1967): Following the Six-Day War, this plan proposed returning most of the West Bank to Arab control while retaining strategic areas for Israeli security.
• Oslo Accords (1993–1995): Israel and the PLO recognized each other, establishing the Palestinian Authority (PA) as an interim self-government for the West Bank and Gaza.
• 2000 Camp David Summit: Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered a Palestinian state with limited sovereignty, with Israel retaining major settlement blocks and security control over sections of the West Bank.
• The Clinton Parameters (2000): A proposed framework for peace suggesting 94–96% of the West Bank for Palestine, a land swap, and dividing Jerusalem.
• Israeli Peace Initiative (2011): A proposal from the Israeli left-wing in response to the Arab Peace Initiative, calling for a near-total withdrawal from the West Bank and a shared capital in Jerusalem.
• Trump Peace Plan (2020): Often dubbed the "Peace to Prosperity" plan, it favored Israeli security interests and annexations in the West Bank

Nothing has ever been good enough. 

The only thing that Palestinians have ever been willing to accept is full autonomy over the entire region, and they feel like it's just a matter of time before they finally manage to ethnically cleane the region of Jews.

Since 2005 the Israelis were completely out of Gaza, allowing them full sovereignty within their borders. Then Came Oct 7th.

1. PALESTINIANS DON'T WANT PEACE. They only want a genocide against Israel.
2. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED IN 1948 IS MEANINGLESS TO ARABS. They only care about the religion of the dead people. 800,000 dead Sikhs and Hindus means nothing to them, but less than 500 dead muslims has caused them 80 years of sleepless nights. 

 

It’s pointless to read the copy‑paste talking points your agencies tell you to publish

[floridaflash]

hello every one

 

[User]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

It’s pointless to read the copy‑paste talking points your agencies tell you to publish

Oh please, you have tons of time down in the terror tunnels. 

[eyeball]

17 hours ago, User said:

Hamas is the one waging war…

It takes two to Tango. The IDF is still acting like Irgun in the Westbank...subjugating, oppressing and dispossessing like it was old times.

17 hours ago, User said:

You are so full of shit as always.

Stop projecting.

17 hours ago, User said:

Empty words that have nothing behind them.

Empty of what exactly? Third time I've asked btw.

[User]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It takes two to Tango. The IDF is still acting like Irgun in the Westbank...subjugating, oppressing and dispossessing like it was old times.

Stop projecting.

Empty of what exactly? Third time I've asked btw.

Two to tango?

You said you wanted to bring Hamas to Justice. 

How? What does the IDF have to do with that? How does giving them a state do that?

You have nothing but empty words. 

[eyeball]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You referred to the oct 8 attack as Palestinian resistance to oppression and stated that it's their HUMAN RIGHT to do so. 

As an inevitably of decades of oppression, subjugation and dispossession.

I also referred to it as an attack by Iran. Ordinary Palestinians and Gazans going about their lives that morning, like the thousands of labourers heading to work in Israel, had no knowledge or part in Oct 7.

You OTOH insist they voted for this decades ago in some sort of election.

And it's still as true today that Palestinians have the same right every human being has to resist oppression.

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And that was terrorism.  You cannot simply dismiss terrorism as being Palestinians resisting oppression." 

He said while dismissing resistance to oppression as terrorism.

 

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, User said:

Two to tango?

You said you wanted to bring Hamas to Justice.

How? What does the IDF have to do with that? 

And the IDF as well.

21 minutes ago, User said:

How does giving them a state do that?

It gives everyone a normal civilized forum in which to settle their grievances and issues. Israel and Palestine are currently unable to negotiate extraditions because Palestine is not a state - there's no apparatus or no infrastructure or institutions of justice for anyone to use.

21 minutes ago, User said:

You have nothing but empty words.

Empty of what exactly?  You keep saying this while responding to something...why?

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Palestinians have been offered peace for almost 80 years, eyeball.

No they haven't.

Edited May 11 by eyeball

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It gives everyone a normAal civilized forum in which to settle their grievances and issues. Israel and Palestine are currently unable to negotiate extraditions because Palestine is not a state - there's no apparatus or no infrastructure or institutions of justice for anyone to use.

 

Palestinians rejected the 1947 UN partition plan, and leadership walked away from offers in 2000 and 2008.

So you want to force them into statehood?

Then the world gives them oodles of cash so they can build longer tunnels and bigger missiles.

Folly.

[User]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And the IDF as well.

It gives everyone a normal civilized forum in which to settle their grievances and issues. Israel and Palestine are currently unable to negotiate extraditions because Palestine is not a state - there's no apparatus or no infrastructure or institutions of justice for anyone to use.

Empty of what exactly?  You keep saying this while responding to something...why?

No they haven't.

The IDF as well what?

Your position was that Hamas should be brought to justice.

How? 
 

You can’t give the Palestinians anything in Gaza when Hamas is in control.

So.. how? 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Legato said:

Palestinians rejected the 1947 UN partition plan, and leadership walked away from offers in 2000 and 2008.

Zionist terrorism is what really demolished the opportunities for peace. And as Einstein and Netanyahu point out the resistance has gone global.

It's out of their hands and the UN should to go back to the drawing board. The next partition plan will likely require a strong international peacekeeping force.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, User said:

The IDF as well what?

Needs to be taken to justice as well.

4 minutes ago, User said:

Your position was that Hamas should be brought to justice.

How? 

Negotiations between Israel and Palestine.

5 minutes ago, User said:

You can’t give the Palestinians anything in Gaza when Hamas is in control.

So.. how? 

I'd try another election but after peacekeepers are in place.

[John Stone]

................ U.N. is asking the global community for 70 billion to rebuild Gaza.

Hamas thinks it's a  paltry  estimate with no understanding regarding the cost of rearming. 

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Needs to be taken to justice as well.

Negotiations between Israel and Palestine.

I'd try another election but after peacekeepers are in place.

Listen man, let’s cut to the chase yet again, you are a terrorist supporting lying fraud.

You say bring Hamas to justice and have no answers for how. I keep pointing out that Hamas controls Gaza and your response is to say negotiate with Palestinians. 

Hamas controls Gaza. 
 

How does giving you try an election? Hamas controls Gaza.

You played this stupid game before with me. 
 

 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

It’s pointless to read the copy‑paste talking points your agencies tell you to publish

You know that Gazans have street celebrations where children spit on the naked corpses of women who were r4ped and murdered by Hamas, so why is it so hard to believe the other things?

If there's something I said that you doubt, then have the balls to call me out on it. Don't just say "I onwee beweeve wut I wanna beweeve an dat stuff aint on my wist" like a fkn 3 yr old.

What did I write there in error, dummy?

[WestCanMan]

32 minutes ago, John Stone said:

................ U.N. is asking the global community for 70 billion to rebuild Gaza.

Hamas thinks it's a  paltry  estimate with no understanding regarding the cost of rearming. 

What do you think Gazans will do when they get $70B? What will they spend it all on? 

That landscape is a reflection of the inner ugliness of Gazans... When people take all of the money they receive through charity and use it to try to kill women and children, and to host "spit on r4ped/murdered women" parties, that's what they actually look like inside. That's what was on their goal board all of their lives. They just wanted Israel to look like that, not themselves.

 

Can you name another celebration they have in Gaza aside from "Mardi Graza", where they spit on the naked corpses of women that they r4ped and murdered?

Do they ever shoot fireworks there, or do they just shoot rockets into Israel? Asking for a friend.

[eyeball]

42 minutes ago, User said:

Listen man, let’s cut to the chase yet again, you are a terrorist supporting lying fraud.

Stop projecting.

43 minutes ago, User said:

You say bring Hamas to justice and have no answers for how.

Yes I did, you simply can't abide them.

When it needs to how does your country go about bringing Canadians to justice?

46 minutes ago, User said:

Hamas controls Gaza. 

So does the IDF.

46 minutes ago, User said:

You played this stupid game before with me.

Yeah well, just run away like you did before.

[Legato]

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Zionist terrorism is what really demolished the opportunities for peace. And as Einstein and Netanyahu point out the resistance has gone global.

It's out of their hands and the UN should to go back to the drawing board. The next partition plan will likely require a strong international peacekeeping force.

Palestinians rejected the 1947 UN partition plan, and leadership walked away from offers in 2000 and 2008.