Caswell Thomas Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 So...If any of you would like to read the actual testimony results of the New York v. Trump etal. Civil Trial on the financial fraud findings , it does make interesting reading and is entirely factual, unlike that which filters down through the Faux News ...after the Spin makers have altered it.....you can read it straight from the NBC news live updates blog.....this mornings testimony was taken from Weisselberg, Trumps senior financial controller since 1973, and detailed accounting of repeated fraud , one of which was how Donald J. Trump and his son Eric deliberately and repeatedly, year after year, presented financial valuations of his Trump Tower apartment that Trump actually.lived in at least some of the time that he overvalued it by 200 of 300%.... that is, its worth was no where near its actual value based on similar buildings and locations and square footage but actually just a third of it's claimed value and Trump claimed that over inflated value as collateral to back up loans he took out . . Trump stated his Trump Tower had 30,000 sq feet but Forbes sent Trump a letter in 2017 saying by actual measurement it was only 11,996 sq ft...but Trump and his son Eric signed their same fantasy valuation based on thin air apparently, continuing to value it as if it was 30,000 sq ft, and knowing it wasn't yet continued to claim it was to delude a bank into giving him more money...it us this money Trump claims as part of his " millions and millions" of self monetaryvworth...in other words...fantasy and a " persistent" fraud perpetrated by Donald Trump and his adult sons. In the testimony Weisselberg can be heard trying to weasel his way out of any responsibility saying he would just draw up the papers as directed by either Donald J. Trump or his son Eric , then THEY would sign off and then Weisselberg would just send them in but the state of New York's attorneys are returning his fingers to the fire with a paper trail clearly indicating Weisselberg knew what he was signing when he sent them off. ..Tomorrow the witness testimony continues by examinations of the papers Trump submitted for his loans to the Deutches bank and a bank witness testimony. Stay tuned folks.... 1 1 Quote
Legato Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 A long time ago I was vaccinated against TDS. It was marketed under the brand name "Common Sense". It is still available if you so desire. One of the side effects is give one the ability to use shorter sentences. also the potentiality to avoid paraphrasing 1 Quote
robosmith Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Legato said: A long time ago I was vaccinated against TDS. It was marketed under the brand name "Common Sense". It is still available if you so desire. One of the side effects is give one the ability to use shorter sentences. also the potentiality to avoid paraphrasing There is NOTHING "deranged" about the FACTS sworn to in court testimony no matter how much you wish there is. Not sure why you even care about Trump's extensive record of FRAUD. Can you explain why you believe his fraud should get a pass when it's ILLEGAL? 1 Quote
Legato Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 9 hours ago, robosmith said: There is NOTHING "deranged" about the FACTS sworn to in court testimony no matter how much you wish there is. Not sure why you even care about Trump's extensive record of FRAUD. Can you explain why you believe his fraud should get a pass when it's ILLEGAL? The vaccine is still available should you wish. Also the blinkers can be removed at any Orange day clinic. Quote
robosmith Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 41 minutes ago, Legato said: The vaccine is still available should you wish. Also the blinkers can be removed at any Orange day clinic. Just as I thought: no explanation, just ^DRIVEL. 2 Quote
Deluge Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said: So...If any of you would like to read the actual testimony results of the New York v. Trump etal. Civil Trial on the financial fraud findings , it does make interesting reading and is entirely factual, unlike that which filters down through the Faux News ...after the Spin makers have altered it.....you can read it straight from the NBC news live updates blog.....this mornings testimony was taken from Weisselberg, Trumps senior financial controller since 1973, and detailed accounting of repeated fraud , one of which was how Donald J. Trump and his son Eric deliberately and repeatedly, year after year, presented financial valuations of his Trump Tower apartment that Trump actually.lived in at least some of the time that he overvalued it by 200 of 300%.... that is, its worth was no where near its actual value based on similar buildings and locations and square footage but actually just a third of it's claimed value and Trump claimed that over inflated value as collateral to back up loans he took out . . Trump stated his Trump Tower had 30,000 sq feet but Forbes sent Trump a letter in 2017 saying by actual measurement it was only 11,996 sq ft...but Trump and his son Eric signed their same fantasy valuation based on thin air apparently, continuing to value it as if it was 30,000 sq ft, and knowing it wasn't yet continued to claim it was to delude a bank into giving him more money...it us this money Trump claims as part of his " millions and millions" of self monetaryvworth...in other words...fantasy and a " persistent" fraud perpetrated by Donald Trump and his adult sons. In the testimony Weisselberg can be heard trying to weasel his way out of any responsibility saying he would just draw up the papers as directed by either Donald J. Trump or his son Eric , then THEY would sign off and then Weisselberg would just send them in but the state of New York's attorneys are returning his fingers to the fire with a paper trail clearly indicating Weisselberg knew what he was signing when he sent them off. ..Tomorrow the witness testimony continues by examinations of the papers Trump submitted for his loans to the Deutches bank and a bank witness testimony. Stay tuned folks.... Sworn testimony in left-wing courtrooms is the exact same thing as indisputable fact. -- The Left Edited October 11, 2023 by Deluge Quote
Legato Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Just as I thought: no explanation, just ^DRIVEL. What flavour of sauce do you add to your drivel. The stores must be short of supply by now. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 11 hours ago, robosmith said: There is NOTHING "deranged" about the FACTS sworn to in court testimony no matter how much you wish there is. Testimony is evidence - it is not fact. Sorry kiddo once again i'm forced to teach you how law works Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said: it does make interesting reading and is entirely factual Bah ha ha haaa... Ya just KNOW that when Libbies say something is "factual", that they mean someone on CNN or MSNBC said so, so its true. However Mr. @Caswell Thomas...YOU owe me an answer to a question in another thread. How many times have you said "walls don't work"? As for robo-monkey... @CdnFox you know he doesn't know the difference. He hears what he longs to hear...wets his pants...and posts dumb-assery. There really is no sense in debating anything with these nonses. They're all so raptured with hatred that I'm quite sure if we put a Trump mask on any one of their kids...they'd shoot the kid on sight. Of course...we'd get blamed for the shooting but...you know... Tweenkie is as Tweenkie does. Edited October 11, 2023 by Nationalist 1 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Legato said: What flavour of sauce do you add to your drivel. The stores must be short of supply by now. Unlike you, I don't engage in drivel. Quote
robosmith Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Testimony is evidence - it is not fact. Sorry kiddo once again i'm forced to teach you how law works In reality, it is FAR MORE likely to be FACT that your ^lDIOTIC OPINIONS. You suffer no sanctions from YOUR LIES HERE. Duh Quote
Legato Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: Unlike you, I don't engage in drivel. You didn't get engaged to drivel? Poor girl got out just in time. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, robosmith said: In reality, it is FAR MORE likely to be FACT that your ^lDIOTIC OPINIONS. That's your belief - but as you've already noted your beliefs are worth nothing. My opinion informed and educated so it's worth more than your belief But in this case it's not opinion - the courts really do consider testimony to be evidence. that IS fact. I'm surprised you didn't know that. Quote You suffer no sanctions from YOUR LIES HERE. Duh I don't lie here so no sanctions necessary. And you're drooling again - must have overworked your brain ? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, Legato said: You didn't get engaged to drivel? Poor girl got out just in time. "drivellia blabermouth'' - how is that NOT an evil disney step-mom name? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Caswell Thomas Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Posted October 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: Bah ha ha haaa... Ya just KNOW that when Libbies say something is "factual", that they mean someone on CNN or MSNBC said so, so its true. However Mr. @Caswell Thomas...YOU owe me an answer to a question in another thread. How many times have you said "walls don't work"? As for robo-monkey... @CdnFox you know he doesn't know the difference. He hears what he longs to hear...wets his pants...and posts dumb-assery. There really is no sense in debating anything with these nonses. They're all so raptured with hatred that I'm quite sure if we put a Trump mask on any one of their kids...they'd shoot the kid on sight. Of course...we'd get blamed for the shooting but...you know... Tweenkie is as Tweenkie does. Talk about vitriolic name calling, that's all you Right Wing fringe fanatics know how to do when faced with the Truth. The fact is that Truth upsets your pathetically weak Trumpian diatribe fed stomachs. The Truth is all around you, from many sources world wide, not just democratic leaning ones and while I have read some of CNN's commentary, I much prefer more moderate sources such as Reuters, The Associated Press ( which also includes a lot of Republican moderate sources who are very definitely not Trump ring kissers), I read Forbes, The Wall Street Journal, various Bar Journals, many direct scientific peer reviewed medical journals, and a lot of sources you could find also if you wanted to.open your eyes and ears and Watch and Listen...but you refuse to... and the funny thing is, I read all I can find before I post so I give every possibility of a missing fact from a source I am not able to read to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you insist on being a smart bass and throwing insults instead, so typical of Trump and his cronies. Pathetic really. Quote
Caswell Thomas Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Posted October 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Deluge said: Sworn testimony in left-wing courtrooms is the exact same thing as indisputable fact. -- The Left Sworn testimony is reputed to BE the Truth by the Far Right when deposed or on the Witness Stand in Court. Are you saying they are lying on the witness stand or in their depositions after they swear on penalty of Perjury they are telling the " whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth"? Quote
Nationalist Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said: Talk about vitriolic name calling, that's all you Right Wing fringe fanatics know how to do when faced with the Truth. The fact is that Truth upsets your pathetically weak Trumpian diatribe fed stomachs. The Truth is all around you, from many sources world wide, not just democratic leaning ones and while I have read some of CNN's commentary, I much prefer more moderate sources such as Reuters, The Associated Press ( which also includes a lot of Republican moderate sources who are very definitely not Trump ring kissers), I read Forbes, The Wall Street Journal, various Bar Journals, many direct scientific peer reviewed medical journals, and a lot of sources you could find also if you wanted to.open your eyes and ears and Watch and Listen...but you refuse to... and the funny thing is, I read all I can find before I post so I give every possibility of a missing fact from a source I am not able to read to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you insist on being a smart bass and throwing insults instead, so typical of Trump and his cronies. Pathetic really. Son...I'm sure you think what you've said is reasonable and that this particular testimony is true. More's the pity. As has been pointed out already, testimony does not equal truth. It has become painfully obvious that: A. This testimony does in no way prove anything more than that the valuation of the properties in question, were accepted by the IRS. B. That the media you quote have lied over and over and cannot be trusted. And C. Your personal zeal for getting Trump, colors your opinions such that you willingly ignore both points A and B. The "facts" of this civil mud slinging exercise are dubious to say the least. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Legato Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said: Talk about vitriolic name calling, that's all you Right Wing fringe fanatics know how to do when faced with the Truth. The fact is that Truth upsets your pathetically weak Trumpian diatribe fed stomachs. The Truth is all around you, from many sources world wide, not just democratic leaning ones and while I have read some of CNN's commentary, I much prefer more moderate sources such as Reuters, The Associated Press ( which also includes a lot of Republican moderate sources who are very definitely not Trump ring kissers), I read Forbes, The Wall Street Journal, various Bar Journals, many direct scientific peer reviewed medical journals, and a lot of sources you could find also if you wanted to.open your eyes and ears and Watch and Listen...but you refuse to... and the funny thing is, I read all I can find before I post so I give every possibility of a missing fact from a source I am not able to read to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you insist on being a smart bass and throwing insults instead, so typical of Trump and his cronies. Pathetic really. The truth as you see it is not always the truth, as in "my truth is the only truth". Therefore anyone else's truths are to be ignored. You go to great lengths to try and sway people to your often soured by TDS opinion. So much so that any argument you put forward will be seen as extremely flawed Quote
Deluge Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said: Sworn testimony is reputed to BE the Truth by the Far Right when deposed or on the Witness Stand in Court. Are you saying they are lying on the witness stand or in their depositions after they swear on penalty of Perjury they are telling the " whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth"? Did I not just tell you what sworn testimony is to the Left? What part of what I said are you struggling to understand? Quote
Rebound Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Nationalist said: Bah ha ha haaa... Ya just KNOW that when Libbies say something is "factual", that they mean someone on CNN or MSNBC said so, so its true. However Mr. @Caswell Thomas...YOU owe me an answer to a question in another thread. How many times have you said "walls don't work"? As for robo-monkey... @CdnFox you know he doesn't know the difference. He hears what he longs to hear...wets his pants...and posts dumb-assery. There really is no sense in debating anything with these nonses. They're all so raptured with hatred that I'm quite sure if we put a Trump mask on any one of their kids...they'd shoot the kid on sight. Of course...we'd get blamed for the shooting but...you know... Tweenkie is as Tweenkie does. Golly, dipshlt, when @Caswell Thomas said something is “factual,” he referenced testimony delivered in court under oath. Without being long-winded, the facts are this: Trump ordered his CFO and lawyers to claim on loan documents that his 11,996 sq foot home was 30,000 sq feet. Pretty simple. Easy to prove using any old tape measure, right? Trump can definitely say, “Hey, it really is 30,000 sq ft, Judge, you can send someone there to measure it.” So let’s wait for Trump to do that, ok? Easy-peasy. Edited October 12, 2023 by Rebound 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Nationalist Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 59 minutes ago, Rebound said: Golly, dipshlt, when @Caswell Thomas said something is “factual,” he referenced testimony delivered in court under oath. Without being long-winded, the facts are this: Trump ordered his CFO and lawyers to claim on loan documents that his 11,996 sq foot home was 30,000 sq feet. Pretty simple. Easy to prove using any old tape measure, right? Trump can definitely say, “Hey, it really is 30,000 sq ft, Judge, you can send someone there to measure it.” So let’s wait for Trump to do that, ok? Easy-peasy. The only "fact" is that the guy testified such. The rest is not confirmed so is not a "fact". This is a very elementary concept that apparently has flown right over your head...unsurprisingly. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Rebound Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 46 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The only "fact" is that the guy testified such. The rest is not confirmed so is not a "fact". This is a very elementary concept that apparently has flown right over your head...unsurprisingly. The facts show undeniably that Donald Trump committed widespread fraud in his business, that Trump himself was behind it, and that it was larger than simple misinterpretation. For instance, if two appraisers provide two different valuations and you pick the larger value, that’s reasonable. But taking a property which YOU insisted had a sub-$20 million value and insisting that it is worth $1 to $1.5 billion is egregious fraud. The judge determined that it is indefensible and issued a summary verdict. That is also fact. The prosecutors submitted evidence that Trump filed sworn statements claiming that his penthouse was 30,000 sq ft. Now we have sworn testimony from his insiders that it was Trump himself who ordered this fraud. We already have a ruling from the judge that, yes, this fraud occurred. Guilty! So the testimony now only shows the extent and who was behind it, for the purpose of establishing penalties and possibly to create evidence to be used for a separate criminal indictment. 1 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
robosmith Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 20 hours ago, Legato said: You didn't get engaged to drivel? Poor girl got out just in time. Stop TROLLING. Quote
CdnFox Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 15 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said: Talk about vitriolic name calling, that's all you Right Wing fringe fanatics know how to do You don't see the irony there at all? Just went right over your head did it? Yeah, well that's the left for you i guess Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
robosmith Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: The only "fact" is that the guy testified such. The rest is not confirmed so is not a "fact". This is a very elementary concept that apparently has flown right over your head...unsurprisingly. Too bad you HAVE NOTHING with which to dispute SWORN TESTIMONY. Until you can find sworn testimony to dispute it, existing sworn testimony is far more factual than ^YOUR OPINION. That is the way FACTS work in court. Quote
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