Interesting testimony in the State of New York vs. The Trump Organization and Donald J. Trump...

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Trump doesn't need my defence.

Then why do you keep embarrassing yourself by defending his FRAUDS?

AKA, pretending that fraud is not a crime if YOU can't identify the victim.

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

But Biden is gonna find a way to get your supposed half mil.

So your point is, you have another ^dumb prediction.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And you're ok with that.

Summary judgement means the evidence was prima facie.

AKA, no defense was available which could disprove the obvious FRAUD.

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

As has been noted...many times...you Tweenkies are down right dangerous. Law...order...constitution...all just concepts that can and should be ignored...if it aids in your Tweenkie desires and feeds your raw hatred.

No evidence ^here that the judge did not conform to LEGAL STANDARDS.

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Meh...at least I'm sure Hillary-Billary would appreciate your anti-democracy position...

You are confused. It was Trump who tried to overturn the election.

Your denial of the extensive evidence of that FACT will not make it go away.

Esp given that you've not even bothered to pay attention to the sworn testimony already given by WH insiders.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

We will see on appeal...but I have a feeling the putz knows what he did will be shot down. His actions may also call into question his ability to sit on the bench.

Sorry, but your "feeling" is a plss poor substitute for a law degree and actual EXPERIENCE with NYS laws and precedents.

[Legato]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

 

AKA, pretending that fraud is not a crime if YOU can't identify the victim.

 

CPA was hired to be an expert witness in a civil fraud case. On cross-examination the opposing attorney asked the expert a seemingly simple question: “Would you please define ‘fraud’ for the jury?” The CPA replied, “Do you want to know the legal definition or my definition?” The attorney countered, “You mean there is a difference?”

 

https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/issues/2004/oct/basiclegalconcepts.html

[robosmith]

51 minutes ago, Legato said:

CPA was hired to be an expert witness in a civil fraud case. On cross-examination the opposing attorney asked the expert a seemingly simple question: “Would you please define ‘fraud’ for the jury?” The CPA replied, “Do you want to know the legal definition or my definition?” The attorney countered, “You mean there is a difference?”

 

https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/issues/2004/oct/basiclegalconcepts.html

Cool article cite that DOES NOT APPLY to New York state law in this case.

Quote

What is the attorney general’s special authority?

A state law that dates to 1956 gives the attorney general’s office expansive authority to investigate and punish corporations. It demands a lower burden of proof than other fraud cases. Crucially, prosecutors do not have to prove that the defendant intended to act fraudulently — or that they hurt anyone financially in the process. Mr. Trump has said repeatedly that the banks he dealt with made money.

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance of NYS law that was already cited in THIS THREAD. Duh

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Sorry, but your "feeling" is a plss poor substitute for a law degree and actual EXPERIENCE with NYS laws and precedents.

You talking to your mirror again there snowflake?

[robosmith]

Team Trump Is Using "Fyre Festival Strategies" in N.Y. Fraud Case

Quote

In the weeks leading up to the start of his $250 million civil fraud trial in New York, Donald Trump and his attorneys privately discussed how they believed defeat in this trial was preordained. Their best chance — and it wasn’t much, according to two sources familiar with the matter and another two people briefed on internal deliberations — would be to fight the case on appeal.

This belief led to the development of an approach to the case that centers around chaos and cacophony, rather than any attempt to win it on the merits. One person close to Trump describes it as the ‘Fyre Festival strategies.

That approach — ‘let’s just do it and be legends,’ in the words of the festival’s founder —  famously turned Fyre Fest into a scandal-riddled disaster. But Trump and his lawyers are hoping that their legal strategy in their ongoing courtroom “suicide mission” will score some political and public-relations points for Trump, kick up as much dirt as possible, enrage the judge, gratuitously trash some of the witnesses, and turn the process into a media circus.

IF Trump cannot delay and outlast his legal opponents, he'll just appeal to the court of public opinion; which is working with the rubes here. LMAO

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You talking to your mirror again there snowflake?

Here is New York State Executive Law 63, Section 12:

Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general
may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the
supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an
order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any
fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an
appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue
of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law
or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court
may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem
proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include
any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception,
misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false
promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent
fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or
carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term
"repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and
distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state
official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject
to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is
authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts
and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and
rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any
action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.

 

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/EXC/63

Edited October 13, 2023 by Rebound

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You talking to your mirror again there snowflake?

Not talking to you since you CANNOT READ. Duh

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not talking to you since you CANNOT READ. Duh

You literally just talked to me.

And you're drooling again so obviously you really had to think about your response  

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Here is New York State Executive Law 63, Section 12:

Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general
may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the
supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an
order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any
fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an
appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue
of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law
or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court
may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem
proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include
any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception,
misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false
promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent
fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or
carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term
"repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and
distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state
official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject
to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is
authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts
and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and
rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any
action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.

 

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/EXC/63

From the above "distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person"

So who where the persons?.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Here is New York State Executive Law 63, Section 12:

Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general
may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the
supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an
order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any
fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an
appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue
of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law
or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court
may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem
proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include
any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception,
misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false
promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent
fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or
carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term
"repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and
distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state
official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject
to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is
authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts
and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and
rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any
action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.

 

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/EXC/63

Cool story. Changes nothing. 

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

From the above "distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person"

So who where the persons?.

This is the question.  Nobody claims any harm or fraud. This is entirely an action by the state on behalf of no one.

How many times have they actually brought a person to trial for 'fraud' where NOBODY was aggrieved before?  Would it be surprising to discover it was none? This is bout politics.

[Caswell Thomas]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You have a box of broken eggs and you're counting chickens. 

The clucking is so loud I almost couldn't hear you.  Trump has no standing nor authority in America or any of its territories to grant himself the powers of a sovereign. 

[Caswell Thomas]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Can you smelll...

The desperation.

That what you smell is Trumps FEAR.  I am sure its unfamiliar to you, but get used to it, it soon will be dragged along with him to every whistle stop on his campaign trail, right before they throw his ass in jail. You can already SEE it here, you notice he's not posting here, just two or three of his most uneducated clucks. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

From the above "distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person"

So who where the persons?.

Note use of the word OR.

[Caswell Thomas]

19 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Groovy. And the victim is?

The Citizens of the State of New York could of course. These people are the victims that pay higher costs in insurance because the fraudsters that violate insurance laws drive up insurance prices for everyone else. Real Estate fraud drives up the cost of buying any real ( land) property again costing New York tax payers more money. Then add the State itself who is screwed out of rightful amounts of tax income from tax dodgers again driving up the cost of everything, but Trump and his Organization and family don't care about anyone else but themselves. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

These people are the victims that pay higher costs in insurance because the fraudsters that violate insurance laws drive up insurance prices for everyone else.

At no point in time did this drive up insurance rates or even put pressure on it. You have to be insane to believe that. The banks didn't complain, the loans were all paid off in a timely fashion, there are no offended parties.

20 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

The clucking is so loud I almost couldn't hear you.

Yeah - that may not be clucking. That might just be the voices again.

[Caswell Thomas]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

At no point in time did this drive up insurance rates or even put pressure on it. You have to be insane to believe that. The banks didn't complain, the loans were all paid off in a timely fashion, there are no offended parties.

Yeah - that may not be clucking. That might just be the voices again.

 New York State apparently doesn't see it your way. Not would any other State. In fact lets you do the work for a change: show us in any State a law which says insurance fraud is not a crime. Check out Real Estate fraud and Banking fraud as well. Don't forget to give us your citations and what Reporter you found it in. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:

The clucking is so loud I almost couldn't hear you.  Trump has no standing nor authority in America or any of its territories to grant himself the powers of a sovereign. 

Loud clucking eh? Lots of chicken shit too I see.

Do walls work? Biden seems to think they do.

[Caswell Thomas]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Loud clucking eh? Lots of chicken shit too I see.

Do walls work? Biden seems to think they do.

Been listening to the radio today? You really need to get a new one, or maybe a tv that isn't just black and white. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:

The Citizens of the State of New York could of course. These people are the victims that pay higher costs in insurance because the fraudsters that violate insurance laws drive up insurance prices for everyone else. Real Estate fraud drives up the cost of buying any real ( land) property again costing New York tax payers more money. Then add the State itself who is screwed out of rightful amounts of tax income from tax dodgers again driving up the cost of everything, but Trump and his Organization and family don't care about anyone else but themselves. 

 

Wait...I thought the point here was he OVER valued his property...thus paying more taxes.

Man...your chickenshit is piling up there isn't it.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:

That what you smell is Trumps FEAR.  I am sure its unfamiliar to you, but get used to it, it soon will be dragged along with him to every whistle stop on his campaign trail, right before they throw his ass in jail. You can already SEE it here, you notice he's not posting here, just two or three of his most uneducated clucks. 

Who? Trump? He has his own media to use. Must you make such stupid posts?

12 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Been listening to the radio today? You really need to get a new one, or maybe a tv that isn't just black and white. 

No. I work for a living.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:

That what you smell is Trumps FEAR.  I am sure its unfamiliar to you, but get used to it, it soon will be dragged along with him to every whistle stop on his campaign trail, right before they throw his ass in jail. You can already SEE it here, you notice he's not posting here, just two or three of his most uneducated clucks. 

You realize his polling has gone up since this nonsense started? It looks hokey so it plays into his claim that the dems and legal system is 'out to get him'.

Basically he's about 1 more lawsuit like this away from a second term. I don't think he's terribly fearful. The dems and their supporters are keeping him in the news cycle every day and it's working for him,

17 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Been listening to the radio today? You really need to get a new one,

Wait a minute -  do you think if he gets a different radio somehow what the people on the station say will be different?

I'm pretty sure that's not how radio works. 

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

 New York State apparently doesn't see it your way.

they allowed the appeal.  So ....  we'll see  

[Caswell Thomas]

On 10/13/2023 at 4:36 PM, CdnFox said:

You realize his polling has gone up since this nonsense started? It looks hokey so it plays into his claim that the dems and legal system is 'out to get him'.

Basically he's about 1 more lawsuit like this away from a second term. I don't think he's terribly fearful. The dems and their supporters are keeping him in the news cycle every day and it's working for him,       

Wait a minute -  do you think if he gets a different radio somehow what the people on the station say will be different?

I'm pretty sure that's not how radio works. 

You should watch Trump's face when he exits the courtroom, his face tells it all. This is not the Donald that stood on the stage at the beginning or f the attack in the Capitol on January 6, this is instead the fearful person who barely mumbles quiet replies now to the Court officials, glares at no one, and keeps his tone servile. Its on my when he's in front of his money providing fans that the old Donnie reemerges.