Hamas Attacks Israel

[WestCanMan]

Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israel started it. The conflict ot war did not start last week but in 1017. Read the history how the Jews mostly Zionists moved from Europe to Palestine under the protection of the British, mass murdered and terrorized the residents born there so that they leave Palestine and became a majority by murder and terror. 

1) Muslims mass-murdered and terrorized residents of the ME for centuries. Is that news to you? Do you know how many Indians were beheaded and force-converted to islam over the centuries? 

You honestly can't post about how bad things were in 1017 without giving proper historical context to the last 1,000 years of islamic barbarism.

2) Sure, the Jews were scheming... Sure, they had allies... So what? You don't think muslims schemed before they committed all of their various genocides? I'm not sure what your point is....

3) I'm aware of the history of the Stern Gang, Likud, Moshe Dayan, Menachim Begin, etc. I'm also aware of what happened to Jews in the ME in the early 1940s when the countries that they lived in aligned with Hitler. 

The monster known as Hitler was created in the trenches of WWI, and the despicable Israelis of 1940-1950 were created by a collection of countries in the ME and Europe that hated them before WWII, and all of the violent anti-Jewish campaigns started by Hitler. 

The shock waves from Hitler's evil still reverberate around the world to this day. At some point we have to move on.

The residents of Pakistan all moved on or they were slaughtered by the millions. If you've forgive that, you can forgive anything. 

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Look at the pictures of the children whose murder you support and then if you dare look yourself into morror

Tell me why the intentional murders of some children is to be celebrated by you and yours, and the children who are unintentionally killed as a result of retaliatory strikes are a tragedy, and then go pray to your god for a whole bunch more death.

I know that you can look in a mirror, you'd kiss the hand of a man who murdered a Jewish baby. 

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Tell me why the intentional murders of some children is to be celebrated by you and yours, and the children who are unintentionally killed as a result of retaliatory strikes are a tragedy, and then go pray to your god for a whole bunch more death.

I know that you can look in a mirror, you'd kiss the hand of a man who murdered a Jewish baby. 

Why waste time with misguided people, as Tryon Edwards once said...

"Prejudices are rarely overcome by argument, not being founded in reason, they cannot be destroyed by logic". 

[CITIZEN_2015]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

You honestly can't post about how bad things were in 1017 without giving proper historical context to the last 1,000 years of islamic barbarism.

 

I am sorry it was a mistype but likely you guessed it. I corrected it to 1917

[CITIZEN_2015]

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) Muslims mass-murdered and terrorized residents of the ME for centuries. Is that news to you?

If there is one person to know this, that is me. But we are in 2023. I was hoping that the time for mass murder is over with United Nations and all.

[CITIZEN_2015]

36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Tell me why the intentional murders of some children is to be celebrated by you and yours, and the children who are unintentionally killed as a result of retaliatory strikes are a tragedy, and then go pray to your god for a whole bunch more death.

I know that you can look in a mirror, you'd kiss the hand of a man who murdered a Jewish baby. 

I didn't think that you are a Zionist too till now because of this BIG lie. I demand that you provide the proof that I celebrated the murder of children and if you fail then I will load you with bunch of insults that you very deserve.

This was my very first post in this very thread soon after Hamas's terrorist attack on Israel last Saturday BEFORE Israel started killing civilians in thousands. LYING BASTA*DS

On 10/7/2023 at 5:57 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Hamas terrorists invade  Ismael and kill defenseless civilians and take civilians hostage. Israel is getting ready to root out these murderers.

Victory to Israelis.

Not Iran but Islamic republic. They are two separate opposing entities.

Edited October 17, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

This is all great in theory, but there's more to think about than just this one attack, and this one episode of Israeli action against Hamas.

What happens in ten years if Hamas just continues to get stronger? 

They are well within their righ to wipe out Hamas but causing a humanitarian crisis among Palestinian civilians will only guarantee Hamas will get stronger

After all Hamas terrorizing Israel made Israel stronger amd more aggressive and bolstered international support against Israel, same for AlQaeda’s attack on 9/11.  That’s pretty much the way it’s be throughout human history it’s human nature. Why do people somehow always seem to think “this time it will be different”?

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

As a totalitarian state, Gaza should be prepared to be wiped out.

Terrorizing civilians didn’t work for Hamas or Al Qaeda or anyone else in history and it won’t work for Israel either. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

21 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

They are well within their righ to wipe out Hamas but causing a humanitarian crisis among Palestinian civilians will only guarantee Hamas will get stronger

After all Hamas terrorizing Israel made Israel stronger amd more aggressive and bolstered international support against Israel, same for AlQaeda’s attack on 9/11.  That’s pretty much the way it’s be throughout human history it’s human nature. Why do people somehow always seem to think “this time it will be different”?

All the fleeing injured children and those losing their families are the future Hamas terrorisms aimed to repeat last Saturday's tragic events in Israel. The more Israelis kill, the more terrorists for Hamas. ISRAEL IS FEEDING TERRORISM. And Israel will lose its legitimacy in the eye of world as it shows its brutal nature.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Look at the pictures of the children whose murder you support and then if you dare look yourself into morror.

 

LOL - sounds like you're already talking to a mirror.

Any children dead on EITHER side is 100 percent the fault of the palastinians.  They chose the war, they chose violence, they decided children should die , They chose to attack children and women and then hide behind their own women and children knowing isreal would have to fight back ,

And you support them.

Now you want to blame others for the blood that those you support so agressively have caused.  You are a freakin' monster

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

They are well within their righ to wipe out Hamas but causing a humanitarian crisis among Palestinian civilians will only guarantee Hamas will get stronger

This is somewhat true (tho illogical) - which is why you have to take it to it's logical conclusion and take the land away from them and kick them out.

THAT they care about. That scares the 'next guy' a lot. And it removes the base they can attack from.

Its their only choice.

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israel started it.

 

Nope. Sorry - isreal didn't cross the border and  kill innocent people. Hamas did that and now gaza which supports them can suffer.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

All the fleeing injured children and those losing their families are the future Hamas terrorisms

Then kill them.

Or scatter them so far around the world that they won't have the chance to grow up influenced by those scum.

Pretty simple - you're saying that the population itself is the problem - get rid of the population one way or another.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Terrorizing civilians didn’t work for Hamas or Al Qaeda or anyone else in history and it won’t work for Israel either. 

Nobody's suggesting terrorizing them.  I said get rid of them.

Scatter them to the winds - take the land.   Poof - they're gone. 

And that has worked time and time again in history.

No need to scare them or even kill them all - just fight them till they surrender and dump them on the rest of the world.

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody's suggesting terrorizing them.  I said get rid of them.

Scatter them to the winds - take the land.   Poof - they're gone. 

And that has worked time and time again in history.

No need to scare them or even kill them all - just fight them till they surrender and dump them on the rest of the world.

No they’re not poof gone they’re just living abroad and terrorists can easily launch attacks from abroad,  9-11 wasn’t an outlier in that respect. Plis they will still able to carry out terrorist attacks against the Jewish diaspora and Israel’s overseas assets like embassies and airlines. 
 

Bust most importantly mass deportation of 2 million Palestinians is a crime against humanity that will only increase sympathy for Hamas within the displaced Palestinian diaspora and the Arab l/Muslim world causing the terrorist threat to grow. 
 

Israel had a peace partner with the secular Palestinian Authority/PLO but they instead opted to take a hardline approach and seized the opportunity twist the dagger when Arafat died. They ended up getting Hamas as their “partner” in Gaza as a result. 
 

Today none of the leaders in Israel or Palestine want peace. They either want eternal war until Judgment Day as ordained by god, or they want a total one-sided victory with 100% of all Israel/Palestine under their control with the other side obliterated and “driven into the sea”. 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If there is one person to know this, that is me. But we are in 2023. I was hoping that the time for mass murder is over with United Nations and all.

If the time for mass murder is over then why don't Arab states make peace with Israel?

They made peace with Pakistan after two massive genocides. Anything should be possible, right?

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I didn't think that you are a Zionist too till now because of this BIG lie. I demand that you provide the proof that I celebrated the murder of children and if you fail then I will load you with bunch of insults that you very deserve.

This was my very first post in this very thread soon after Hamas's terrorist attack on Israel last Saturday BEFORE Israel started killing civilians in thousands. LYING BASTA*DS

Why did you show a 15-minute video of a woman mourning the loss of her baby as if it was the original sin? You had no proper context there all... 

Her tragedy was the direct result of a conflict started by her own terrorist group, did she mention their accountability in all this?

As sad as it sounds, we know that Hamas WANTS these casualties. They tell civilians to stay in place just for that one reason. Hamas terrorists like to attack with civilian clothes on, then run and hide amongst families.

It's from terrorism 101: attack with civilian clothes on from a building with families in it, then pretend to be aghast when children inevitably get hurt. It's what they did in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. It's their main strategy. 

 

There doesn't need to be a terrorist group in Palestine at all if Arab nations can just make peace. 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

They are well within their righ to wipe out Hamas but causing a humanitarian crisis among Palestinian civilians will only guarantee Hamas will get stronger

After all Hamas terrorizing Israel made Israel stronger amd more aggressive and bolstered international support against Israel, same for AlQaeda’s attack on 9/11.  That’s pretty much the way it’s be throughout human history it’s human nature. Why do people somehow always seem to think “this time it will be different”?

Ideally Israel would avoid casualties but they have to make their point. Palestinians need to experience a net loss here.

The Israels also need to get a grip on this tunnelling situation. I'm pretty sure they need to get into Gaza to do it. 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

And Israel will lose its legitimacy in the eye of world as it shows its brutal nature.

Your commentary keeps losing track of the fact that Hamas fired 3,000 rockets at Israeli civilian targets, and that they sent soldiers across the border just to kill civilians, women and children included. I'll say that again:

Hamas fired 3,000 rockets at Israeli civilian targets, and they sent soldiers across the border just to kill civilians, women and children included. 

Any concern that they show for their own casualties is just terrorist hypocrisy. 

[WestCanMan]

Golda Meir: "We can only have peace with the Arabs when they love their own children more than they love killing us."

[CITIZEN_2015]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Then kill them.

Or scatter them so far around the world that they won't have the chance to grow up influenced by those scum.

Pretty simple - you're saying that the population itself is the problem - get rid of the population one way or another.

Zionists Nazis .

[CITIZEN_2015]

Islamic Republic leader claimed the most ridiculous statement.. He said, the West is objecting that Hamas killed civilians but that is not true because every civilian in towns near Israeli border with Gaza was armed. Were those young people taking part in music festival armed? Were those children killed armed? He threatened that the Muslim world will come to the defense of Palestinians. He is hated at home for mass murder of Iranian women and children in an ongoing revolution at home so is seeking an enemy abroad to unite the people behind him but he is mistaken. the nation of Iran is supportive of nation of Israel (the people of Israel not the army or government of Israel).

I have been posting. Israel is making a big error going after one leg of the Octopus. Israel and the West should go after the head of the Octopus and that is the Islamic regime in Iran. No military action but help the nation of Iran to send them to hell.

Edited October 17, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No they’re not poof gone they’re just living abroad and terrorists can easily launch attacks from abroad,  

Not anywhere near as easily when they don't live there and they don't organize when they're 'abroad'.

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9-11 wasn’t an outlier in that respect. Plis they will still able to carry out terrorist attacks against the Jewish diaspora and Israel’s overseas assets like embassies and airlines. 

911 happened because al quedia has a base of operations and a country of their own that tolerated them.  Once they killed the leader and scattered the others they became largely impotent. and studdenly the attacks stopped.

Kiind of proves MY point

The problem was the us gave that country back - i doubt isreal would be so foolish.

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Bust most importantly mass deportation of 2 million Palestinians is a crime against humanity that will only increase sympathy for Hamas within the displaced Palestinian diaspora and the Arab l/Muslim world causing the terrorist threat to grow. 

People will get over it.
 

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Israel had a peace partner with the secular Palestinian Authority/PLO but they instead opted to take a hardline approach and seized the opportunity twist the dagger when Arafat died. They ended up getting Hamas as their “partner” in Gaza as a result. 

There is no 'peace partner'.  Since day one the people have wanted isreal gone and dead. They've been pretty clear.  If they won't live in peace, they can perish in war.
 

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Today none of the leaders in Israel or Palestine want peace. They either want eternal war until Judgment Day as ordained by god, or they want a total one-sided victory with 100% of all Israel/Palestine under their control with the other side obliterated and “driven into the sea”. 

Well the problem is you're wrong.  Isreal wants peace.  To the point where if they can't get it one way - they'll get it a less desirable way. I think that's where hamas may have miscalculated this time.  The isrealis have straight out said 'the world will look different' when they're done. They've had enough.

 

At the end of the day you still haven't presented any other viable options. Palestine will never ever ever accept any kind of peace. Allowing them to live there means constant attacks and slaughter of the jewish people without warning for the rest of time.  So - what else can isreal do? If you can't come up with a viable answer to that then at the end of the day wiping gaza off the map as a palisinian state is really the only option,

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Why did you show a 15-minute video of a woman mourning the loss of her baby as if it was the original sin? You had no proper context there all... 

 

When you have no response you say the most ridiculous thing.

So I posted a woman mourning her lost baby in the conflict, what the hell this got to do with your idi*tic claim that I celebrated the death of Israeli civilians as you lied and claimed, big liar??

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Zionists Nazis .

LOL - well at least you're not trying to hide your hatred of jews any more.  We had another poster here for a while who insisted all jews were nazis.

 YOU claim that the people are being held hostage and can't do anything, YOU can't think of another peaceful way to resolve it, YOU claim you condemn the attack but YOU can't think of another way to stop those attacks..... 

But some how it's all my fault.

Take gaza back, throw it's people off, problem solved.  The last thing they need is jew haters like you living in side their borders.

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

When you have no response you say the most ridiculous thing.

So I posted a woman mourning her lost baby in the conflict, what the hell this got to do with your idi*tic claim that I celebrated the death of Israeli civilians as you lied and claimed, big liar??

You posted a propaganda video about one woman's alleged suffering.

Then another about how things that happened in 1917 justify the violence against Israel.

Then another saying that "Canada is just standing by while babies are killed. The war should be stopped now because Hamas already fired all of their rockets." 

The Israeli babies who were murdered got a passing comment from you but you're going all-out on 'sympathy for the children of the terrorists'. 

Did CBC ask that girl if any of her family members are in Hamas? Do they support them? Does she support them? Did she think that the attacks against Israel were awesome? Were they bad? Is it bad that Israeli children were killed and taken hostage? 

CBC is revolting, and they have been for a decade at least.