CdnFox Posted October 7, 2023 Author Report Posted October 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, herbie said: Justin Trudeau's $650M aid to Ukraine being a trillionaire he sent it from his own pocket? HTG you think PP would support Ukraine to any lesser extent? Some of you have gotta make even nonpartisan issues into anti-Trudeau headings. go get a job with the National Post FFS There's nothing non partisan about it. It's a political issue. Partisan and non partisan are just words you use and don't really understand when you want to say that it's wrong for someone to believe a certain way or to claim that they shouldn't dare to disagree at all. I think PP would be awae of what the situation was at home and focus spending there first - and if things were going well then sure he might provide them aid. But - not to the point where our soldiers have nothing and our people are going hungry and he's giving hundreds of millions away. 1 minute ago, myata said: WTF? I have no interest in debating you private fantasies. Go seek urgent psychiatric help. I wouldn't delay. That would be all from me. SIgh. If only THAT were true. Quote
OftenWrong Posted October 7, 2023 Report Posted October 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, myata said: WTF? I have no interest in debating your private fantasies. Seek urgent psychiatric help. I wouldn't delay. That would be all from me. Your gaslighting is rather dull. Seems you're the one with loose hinges here. Sorry if historical facts are giving you a meltdown. Go to the ER if you feel light headed. I mean more than usual. 10 minutes ago, myata said: I wouldn't delay. It seems you do. Someone should tell your mom what's going on. Quote
myata Posted October 7, 2023 Report Posted October 7, 2023 I see no point in discussing anything with the folks who can suck the reality out of their finger. The absolute f-ing zero sane and rational point. No matter how plausible or how much they believe it, there's no point. A psychiatrist is the only help. Maybe. No further comments. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
OftenWrong Posted October 7, 2023 Report Posted October 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, myata said: I see no point in discussing anything with the folks who can suck the reality out of their finger. The absolute f-ing zero sane and rational point. No matter how plausible or how much they believe it, there's no point. A psychiatrist is the only help. Maybe. No further comments. I haven't seen you giving any facts yet, other than getting angry. We all want the war to stop and have to be realistic. Immediate calls for ceasfire from all around may help. Giving away 20 billion Canadian dollars in total with no end in sight, (and one can surely assume with the usual level of government oversight in these things, IE - nil) will keep the violence going, but there won't be a resolution by military means. Quote
BeaverFever Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/6/2023 at 2:45 PM, CdnFox said: Of course he's dividing canadians. Remember when he shouted at a canadian to shut up because he's talking about ukraine and has no time for that guy? That's divisive. When he says this should'nt be a partisan issue and the opposition shoudln't be raising valid concerns, that's divisive. And calling it a 'knee jerk' reaction is both insane AND divisive. After a year of suppling goods and cash while our own soldiers have NOTHING - no tanks no anti aircraft weapons, now not even new APC's or the like because he's given them all to Ukraine, AND at a time when our people are going hungry, after all that people have a RIGHT to say 'how much more? How long is this going on for? What are we getting for this?" But typical leftie loser - rather than address those very legit questions and looking at the issue it's all "HOW DAAAAARRE YOU SPEAK AND ASK QUESTIONS!!!!!" Why it's a "knee jerk reaction' (That took almost 2 years to have). YOU SHOULD STAY SILENT AND DO AS YOUR LIBERAL MASTERS SAY!!!! I guess we're lucky he didn't declare the emergency act just because people asked. Nobody is telling you or conservatives to stay silent. Most Canadian conservatives support Ukraine and continued military aid and undoubtedly would be doing the same as JT is doing. Espionage given the immense pressure from USA and Europe to continue aid. They’re just criticizing from the sidelines because they can Honestly nobody is more divisive than the name-calling, acid-tongued Pollievre who cannot pass within 25 feet of a camera or microphone without attacking and insulting his opponents and blaming them for the weather. There is nothing he won’t politicize. Quote
CdnFox Posted October 8, 2023 Author Report Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Nobody is telling you or conservatives to stay silent Well sure they do - justin himself did. Quote . Most Canadian conservatives support Ukraine and continued military aid and undoubtedly would be doing the same as JT is doing. You're not paying attention. It's not the idea of supporting ukraine that's the issue. Its paying for it when our own people go hungry and our own economic situation is horrid and our own soldiers have no such gear. And that sentiment is growing and will continue to do so very fast. I did post the info that proves it. Do try to keep up. Quote Honestly nobody is more divisive than the name-calling, acid-tongued Pollievre Sure - remember that time he called a third of Canadians bigots and misogynists who were wastes of space and shouldn't be tolerated? Oh ... wait..... Well.... ahem.. never mind that, there was the time Pierre weaponized covid vaccines and turned entire families against each other to try to win an elect... oh. Right. Well - what about when pierre said anyone who suggested we should end flights from china was racist (and then admitted later that they were wrong not to end flights from china) - that was really wrong of him to .... crap. Well what about before covid - when the CPC refused to acknowledge jews or other religions with the statement about violence against muslim no that was justin too wasn't it. Well - remember when PP went on that show and insisted that Westerners shoudl NEVER be allowed to lead canada? No? Well someone said it - who was that again? It's not even close. It's not even a debate. Trudeau is by far and away the most divisive leader we've ever seen in canada bar none without exception by a mile, and that includes his dad who was brutally divisive. Quote
myata Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Honestly nobody is more divisive than the name-calling, acid-tongued Pollievre who cannot pass within 25 feet of a camera or microphone without attacking and insulting his opponents and blaming them for the weather. There is nothing he won’t politicize. The trick is out of the bottle now, mastered equally well by both pseudo parties. What will help us? Ohoh. Edited October 8, 2023 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Giving away 20 billion Canadian dollars in total with no end in sight "Giving ... billion total to fight (Hitler) with no end in sight will keep the violence going!" "Immediate ceasefire (with Hitler) may help!" Only the last time around Canadians gave way more than just money. Ironic isn't it? Heroes go to fight an abysmal evil to earn the future for generations. Some folks grow soft, entitled to comfort, they don't like to think, have no will to act chant some words mindlessly without a glimpse of the meaning of the cost of their fleeting comfort. And then the time presents them with the next exam. And what? Noooo we don't have to do this, we don't like doing this! It shouldn't be anything to do with us. Doing nothing should help! But the time isn't listening: it's only the exam for being an intelligent human being and having a future. Pass or fail it: and no other options. Every generation or so has to pass it. No delays or escapes. The time will just have to see what this generation is worth. Will it stand up to bullies and thugs of the world? Or fade away, to some useless grey murmur? It's all being decided now. Nothing is guaranteed, in evolution. Remember? Edited October 8, 2023 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
OftenWrong Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, myata said: Giving ... billion total to fight (Hitler) with no end in sight will keep the violence going!" "Immediate ceasefire (with Hitler) Pass or fail it: and no other options. Binary thinking is a grotesque oversimplification. Choose one from column A or one from B. Thats all you get, but free to choose. You are now giving trust and putting faith in the same liars who failed in every other way, the people who run things. You believe them. You stood in line. Affixed your mark. Signed on. You bought the Brooklyn Bridge. Quote
myata Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 1 minute ago, OftenWrong said: Binary thinking is a grotesque oversimplification. Choose one from column A or one from B. Thats all you get, but free to choose. Should we stand up to Hitlers of our time? Binary thinking is "oversimplification"! Look you have nothing to add here. No reason to think and no will to act. No ethical principles to act upon either. Take your pills and listen to a lullaby, may help. Eat and excrete regularly. And that would be pretty much it - wouldn't it? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
OftenWrong Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, myata said: Look you have nothing to add here I summarized the history. You have nothing to add. Your last three posts to me were just ad hominem (concerning me, not the topic) and arguments based on your feelings. That and "Hitler! Hitler! Hitler!" Do you realize you are a cheerleader for war that your leadership is very happy about, wants to continue indefinitely. Not even a thought about finding a solution to end the violence. "Never! It's appeasement! Rah Rah Rah!" Quote
OftenWrong Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 How can we tell they like the war? Because they have NO intention to talk about ceasefire, won't even mention the word. All of a sudden their lovey dovey humanitarianism is out the window. Anyone who even says "ceasefire" is condemned as with the Russians. And there's you, standing in line. Quote
myata Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 Poland attacked. France and Belgium, occupied. Britain bombed from the air. "But they NO intention to talk about ceasefire, won't even mention the word". "Ceasefire". With Hitler. That's a diagnosis and I don't know the cure. Does it exist? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
OftenWrong Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, myata said: Poland attacked. France and Belgium, occupied. Britain bombed from the air. "But they NO intention to talk about ceasefire, won't even mention the word". "Ceasefire". With Hitler. That's a diagnosis and I don't know the cure. Does it exist? With this post you are blending two alternate realities as though they are one. We are fortunate to not be bombed, so we can sit back and think about what the problem is. Without being emotionally tied. Historians todat attribute the rise of extremism in Germany was what created the condition for Hitler to come to power. Secondly the Versaille treaty which plunged Germany into financial despair and angered Germans. Hitler was an angry man. He wrote about what he would do in Mein Kampf written in 1925. Was the greatest best seller in German history, outselling the bible. People gave lavishly bound copies as wedding presents. The Germans knew fully well what they were getting when they elected him. Putin has been in power for a long time, he didn't publish a manifesto, nor demonstrate a strong desire to spread out for lebensraum. A term Hitler used to justify the invasions. That's why I say, forget about Hitler. Putin is reacting to recent events that lead back to a period before the war. What was the situation in Ukraine before this whole conflict began? Go back to when Ukraine was stable and quiet. What happened from then until now? These are things historians look into, to see the cause and effect. Doesn't mean we approve of anything. I reserve my judgement. But in the end defer to a position of defence for the people, the ones who's lives are being destroyed while superpowers posture themselves and exchange mega billions of fast money. Move the cash ina briecase, along with guns and bombs. The engine of capitalist economy fires up, now it burns bright. Ahh, nice and warm! Quote
OftenWrong Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 From superpower perspective, the USA and EU used this as an opportunity to encroach on Russia militarily, and they've done that by shipping arms to Ukrainian troops. That means putting western weaponry on Ukranian soil. Canada's contribution will go in the same pile. We're already making proud sounding political announcements of armoured vehicles being "made in London, Ontario". (Recent Trudeau soundbite). That's right. Look how I got jobs for you. Quote
myata Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 This is a total failure, of everything: mind, ethics, principles. Do you understand that a criminal is a criminal because of what they did in the reality? Not because of what they say; what they think; or even you think about them. Do you understand the notions of an act and the reality? War crimes? Crimes against humanity? Do you understand that "encroached" even if it had some meaning, is not equal to war crimes and crimes against humanity? Do you understand that Hitler and his party were condemned because of the crimes they committed in this reality? Not because of the picture book you read? Can you observe the reality? Can you see the war crimes and crimes against humanity now, these days and next door? Throughout the centuries good neighbors always helped each other to defend and protect against violence and brutality. Wrong with you. Speaks volumes of you. If you don't it speaks only of you, who you are. Let criminals run free and do whatever atrocities they like? Hide and hope that they won't get to you - and if they tried where would you run, to who? A total, dismal and despisable failure. Nothing good and you're saying it all yourself I don't even have anything to add. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 8, 2023 Report Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) On 10/6/2023 at 8:15 AM, Perspektiv said: China is a greater threat to the west than a beleaguered Russia. China has the military might to push back heavily on the US. Not only this, the US must respect its stance on Taiwan. China was strategic and smart. China is the long-term threat to freedom in the world but Russia remains dangerous. Given the disastrous course of the war, it may turn it into a much bigger North Korea - an economically useless Chinese client state that nevertheless poses a serious danger to the West. Edited October 8, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
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