B.C. has two opposition parties opposed to the NDP which means losing the next election.

[blackbird]

It looks like B.C. will be stuck with NDP governments for some time.  The next election is in about a year.  The problem is the main opposition, the BC United Party (formerly BC Liberal Party) is, according to polls, losing support to the BC Conservative Party.  One poll said they each have about 20% of public support now.  This means the vote opposing the NDP in the next election may be divided between the BC United Party and the BC Conservative Party.  This will guarantee that the NDP will win.  They must be overjoyed with the recent polls.  BC will be stuck with another quasi Socialist government.  This will mean continuing carbon taxes, highest price of homes in Canada in Vancouver, and the highest gas prices in north America with one third of the price of gas being taxes.  It will mean continuing progressivism in the public school system and giving away millions more to FN for everything under the sun. More radical climate change actions.

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

This will mean continuing carbon taxes,

A conservative Premier brought in the carbon tax in BC.  

 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It will mean continuing progressivism in the public school system

Thank God for that, eh?  It’s the will of the people in that beautiful province.  

Edited September 30, 2023 by TreeBeard

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

A conservative Premier brought in the carbon tax in BC.  

No, it was actually Premier Gordon Campbell, leader of the then B.C. Liberal Party that brought the carbon tax in in 2008.  The BC Liberals are far from being "conservative".  They changed their name recently to the B.C. United Party.   They are an NDP lite party.  

B.C. is too much of a leftist province with lots of tree huggers and environmental radicals and people living off the government.  The NDP has led the failing health care system and broken BC Ferry system, mills shutting down, and housing shortage, and high gas prices.  Vancouver Island has the highest number of people receiving medical assistance in dying in Canada.  The disaster will continue with the people choosing the quasi Socialist NDP.

Edited September 30, 2023 by blackbird

[herbie]

Yes they changed their name as conservatives just like them have turned liberal into a dirty word. And those who have abhorrent social views have claimed Conservative as their title.
You must be one of the few people Campbell fooled into thinking he was  a 'liberal' in any way, shape or form. Christie Clark was the only liberal leaning premier during their reign of terror.

Rustad, though I admit he was very good on forestry issues has totally failed on economic development in his own riding and relies on the support from his huge bible thumping, anti-vax Grade 12 equivalency base of support. In a riding where every member ever elected was not NDP, yet managed to get booted from their own party.

[herbie]

So the new Conservative leader made headlines in the local papers of his own riding.
For comparing the treatment of anti-SOGI protesters to that of the Residential Schools. Utterly disgusting.

 

[CdnFox]

On 9/30/2023 at 8:50 AM, blackbird said:

No, it was actually Premier Gordon Campbell, leader of the then B.C. Liberal Party that brought the carbon tax in in 2008.  The BC Liberals are far from being "conservative". 

They're conservative.  Sorry

And the carbon tax seemed like a good model initially - but the economists who endorsed it had made a huge mistake in their calculations and it turned out to be a disaster.  And 'revenue neutral' went  out the window pretty quick, the ndp just laughs if yous say that now

Yeah - sometimes the right makes mistakes too. 

 

35 minutes ago, herbie said:

So the new Conservative leader made headlines in the local papers of his own riding.
For comparing the treatment of anti-SOGI protesters to that of the Residential Schools. Utterly disgusting.

 

Completely accurate.  Both sought to groom children in the ideology of their day for their 'own benefit' without regard for the customs or thoughts of their people. You'd have made an excellent proponent for resi schools back in the day.

[herbie]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And 'revenue neutral' went  out the window pretty quick, the ndp just laughs if yous say that now

That disappeared long before the NDP. As soon as you earned enough not to have to east at the Chuch mission, you made too much income to qualify. Inflation has doubled the cost of everything since the last time the govt adjusted the income levels for any of their programs.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

That disappeared long before the NDP. As soon as you earned enough not to have to east at the Chuch mission, you made too much income to qualify. Inflation has doubled the cost of everything since the last time the govt adjusted the income levels for any of their programs.

Sure - went down under the libs and just plain vanished under the ndp.  I don't "blame" either - or more accurately i blame them both the same.  It's inevitable that any "revenue netural tax" will not be revenue neutral for long no matter which gov't is in,

[blackbird]

On 10/3/2023 at 12:45 PM, herbie said:

Rustad, though I admit he was very good on forestry issues has totally failed on economic development in his own riding

 Do you know how government works?  The BC NDP are the government and are responsible for all the mills shutting down.  The government controls all the policies, regulations, taxes, etc., not the one or two opposition MLAs.  John  Rustad is not part of government.

Edited October 17, 2023 by blackbird

[herbie]

Rustad has been the MLA for umpteen years, long before NDP formed govt. It's always been a Socred/Liberal MLA.

The govt does not own mills and logging companies so they don't build them, run them or shut them down. So they're not the ones responsible, the market is which govt doesn't control either.
Maybe you should learn how things work, you act like the govt is communist, expect it to act in a socialist manner, yet insist you're a Conservative and vote that way. Just like the voters here have always done.

OMFG you must be one of those who thought a 12% tax was more and way harder to figure out than two 7% and 5% taxes....

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, herbie said:

 

The govt does not own mills and logging companies so they don't build them, run them or shut them down.

They ABSOLUTELY do in this province and yes the gov't have owned mills.  Yeash dude, where were you in the 90's?

As it is gov't practices play a massive roll in which mills get shut down and which don't.

Edited October 17, 2023 by CdnFox

[herbie]

You talking about them propping up Skeena sawmills for a couple years so the whole town of Terrace didn't fall in on itself? Yeah that's what and NDP did and will do sometimes. Just like it tried to do with the shipyards down there, but at least the opposition didn't spend the whole time telling the world how shitty and useless lumber was and then pretend it was the other guys fault they sold it for so little.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

You talking about them propping up Skeena sawmills for a couple years so the whole town of Terrace didn't fall in on itself? Yeah that's what and NDP did and will do sometimes. Just like it tried to do with the shipyards down there, but at least the opposition didn't spend the whole time telling the world how shitty and useless lumber was and then pretend it was the other guys fault they sold it for so little.

LOL - no but the ndp sure does. they're furrious that we sell lumber. They only want to see finished value added products go out the door and frequenly complain about our lumber industry.

No gov'ts in the last decade or two have been GREAT to the forest industry but there's litlte doubt the ndp has been the worst, especial in the north.

[herbie]

You are deluded beyond belief. And as ignorant about forestry issues as you are about native issues.

Probably one of those 604s that's never been Beyond Hope other than Kelowna.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

You are deluded beyond belief.

As previously established - that seems to be left wing for "you're right and i can't argue it but i don't like it'
 

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And as ignorant about forestry issues as you are about native issues.

Probably one of those 604s that's never been Beyond Hope other than Kelowna.

 

LOL sure kiddo. You always find new and exciting ways to look like a m0r0n, i'll give you that

[Legato]

On 10/17/2023 at 7:25 PM, herbie said:

OMFG you must be one of those who thought a 12% tax was more and way harder to figure out than two 7% and 5% taxes....

That would be 24%.....

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Legato said:

That would be 24%.....

Shhhhhh - he thinks he's winning, lets just see where he goes with it....

[herbie]

duh... like I said too confusing for simple minds. Two taxes not four. Semantic powers equal your math skills I see.

[Legato]

9 hours ago, herbie said:

duh... like I said too confusing for simple minds. Two taxes not four. Semantic powers equal your math skills I see.

(2x2)+ 20=24 [ -49 +(7x7).]

This can be found written on the bottom of every bottle of Guinness along with the words "Open Other End"

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

duh... like I said too confusing for simple minds.

What is? Humour ?  LOL apparently

[TreeBeard]

On 9/29/2023 at 8:30 PM, blackbird said:

The problem is the main opposition, the BC United Party (formerly BC Liberal Party) is, according to polls, losing support to the BC Conservative Party.  One poll said they each have about 20% of public support now.

The Greens received the 3rd highest number of votes in B.C., didn’t they?   Wouldn’t most of those bleed away NDP support?  
 

Do you prefer a 2 party system where people don’t have the option of the Greens or the Conservative parties to vote for?

[herbie]

Oh they'll be dreaming the Greens will swing to the BC Conservatives too.

[herbie]

What gets me about Rustad is that he represented a huge chunk of BCs forestry areas through the Bug kill and knows the bugs happened because it no longer got as cold for as long as it did historically. The 3+ weeks of -35 just got less and less since the 1990s and has been only a couple days in the last few years. He knows that.
And denies climate change.

[BeaverFever]

On 9/30/2023 at 11:50 AM, blackbird said:

No, it was actually Premier Gordon Campbell, leader of the then B.C. Liberal Party that brought the carbon tax in in 2008.  The BC Liberals are far from being "conservative".  They changed their name recently to the B.C. United Party.   They are an NDP lite party.  

B.C. is too much of a leftist province with lots of tree huggers and environmental radicals and people living off the government.  The NDP has led the failing health care system and broken BC Ferry system, mills shutting down, and housing shortage, and high gas prices.  Vancouver Island has the highest number of people receiving medical assistance in dying in Canada.  The disaster will continue with the people choosing the quasi Socialist NDP.

I don’t follow bc politics much but I thought the BC Liberal party was effectively the “conservative” party in BC.

The story as I understand it is that the official BC Conservative Party was overtaken by another conservative party named Social Credit in the 70s, and both parties had formed government in BC a number of times until Social Credit completely imploded in corruption scandal in the 90s  under Bill Vander Zalm and that’s when all the conservative voters and surviving politicians moved to the next closest party, the centrist Liberal Party, effectively taking it over. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t follow bc politics much but I thought the BC Liberal party was effectively the “conservative” party in BC.

The story as I understand it is that the official BC Conservative Party was overtaken by another conservative party named Social Credit in the 70s, and both parties had formed government in BC a number of times until Social Credit completely imploded in corruption scandal in the 90s  under Bill Vander Zalm and that’s when all the conservative voters and surviving politicians moved to the next closest party, the centrist Liberal Party, effectively taking it over. 

Well no - but it's close enough that it makes no difference. The 'liberals' were a merger between the actual liberals and the Reform so they were a coalition party with both left and right wing people in it.  They would be considered right of center over all.