eyeball Posted August 25, 2023 Author Report Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Army Guy said: funney how my remarks are belly aching and yours is going to save the planet...My point is before you start slamming the right for taking no action and just belly aching, I'm not going to save the planet, in case you missed it I've been congratulating the right for having won the war against climate action. OP notwithstanding I'm amongst the 10% who're convinced it's probably hopeless, ie you've won. AGW is on. The only way to show it down is to slow down the human race and I'm certainly in no position to do that. Edited August 25, 2023 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 9 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Oh dear. What is it like Terminator to you, or what? "It can't be bargained with... it can't be reasoned with, doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, EVER!" Get Help Hahaha, this from the King Canute of forest fires. The Terminator's got nothing on you. Quote
Guest Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Army Guy said: What is it your trying to say BC, climate change can not be controlled or influenced by humans? that nothing we do will mitigate the effects of climate change?...actions like control burns, and proper forest management, or keeping idi!ts out of the tree line when it has been hot and dry...sounds like common sense ideas to me...but what would the media and governments do if only 200 fires were caused by mother nature herself... This is not a single event, Alberta has had over 700 wild fires, more than 500 have been started by idi!ts... thats not a single event thats hundreds of idiIts doing their stupid sh*t.... and yet the media and government has clearly used them to highlight climate change... Clearly the lack of human action has brought us to this point, but before we start yelling the sky is fallen every time something happens, maybe we should adapt to these situations and take some precautions...or we could just sit here raise the carbon taxes so high cause that seems to be working.. Well, I'm glad we agree changes in the climate can be influenced by humans. That has been a bone of contention with some. Obviously mitigating attempts can be made. I didn't say forest management was a bad idea. I said the lack of it does not change the effects of climate change, which are to make the conditions that forest fires occur more likely and more extreme. For instance, if Canada had a total ban on campfires and ATV use from March to November it would help, as fewer fires would be started. It wouldn't change the conditions in the forest. Look: All these guys did was put a metal roof on their house and clear some brush. It doesn't make climate change any less real. Quote
Nationalist Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 On 8/16/2023 at 3:26 PM, eyeball said: Like I said it's the start of a learning process that should lead to better stronger cases. I'd push kids in the direction of demonstrating, lobbying, suing whatever and wherever they can to lower the voting age and the age at which they can run for office. It's like the climate changing, kids have needed to assume responsibility for their own survival for hundreds of thousands of years. It's completely natural. And what sort of real SOLUTION would you propose? Whining and blocking the operations of a city to complain, scream at people and wave signs is nonsense. Can you bring a REALISTIC solution to the table? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Well, I'm glad we agree changes in the climate can be influenced by humans. That has been a bone of contention with some. Obviously mitigating attempts can be made. I didn't say forest management was a bad idea. I said the lack of it does not change the effects of climate change, which are to make the conditions that forest fires occur more likely and more extreme. For instance, if Canada had a total ban on campfires and ATV use from March to November it would help, as fewer fires would be started. It wouldn't change the conditions in the forest. Look: All these guys did was put a metal roof on their house and clear some brush. It doesn't make climate change any less real. The whole story of the red roof house https://www.npr.org/2023/08/24/1195331310/red-roof-house-fires-lahaina-hawaii Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 On 8/23/2023 at 4:49 PM, bcsapper said: You really don't understand the difference between conditions facilitating forest fires, and how a forest fire starts? If every single forest fire in Canada this year were started by the same arsonist, it would not make the blindest bit of difference to the connection with climate change. If you would advocate for proper forestry and maintenance, these fires would not be such a problem. But you don't and ya gits wut ya pays fer. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Guest Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 Just now, Nationalist said: If you would advocate for proper forestry and maintenance, these fires would not be such a problem. But you don't and ya gits wut ya pays fer. Yeah. Rakes, right? Quote
Nationalist Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Yeah. Rakes, right? Maybe for you a plastic one so you don't hurt yourself. A mismanaged forest quickly becomes a tinderbox. People knew this for thousands of years. Today...people like you need a plastic rake. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted August 25, 2023 Author Report Posted August 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And what sort of real SOLUTION would you propose? Whining and blocking the operations of a city to complain, scream at people and wave signs is nonsense. Can you bring a REALISTIC solution to the table? No one can, the time and opportunity for realistic solutions has long since passed. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Maybe for you a plastic one so you don't hurt yourself. A mismanaged forest quickly becomes a tinderbox. People knew this for thousands of years. Today...people like you need a plastic rake. I think you're right. The carbon tax and immigration numbers are both going to need increasing by an enormous factor. Somebody is going to have to pay for it, and someone is going to have to do it. Then maybe we can vacuum, just to be sure. Edited August 25, 2023 by bcsapper Quote
ExFlyer Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 34 minutes ago, Nationalist said: If you would advocate for proper forestry and maintenance, these fires would not be such a problem. But you don't and ya gits wut ya pays fer. Exactly what is "proper forestry and maintenance"? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 55 minutes ago, eyeball said: No one can, the time and opportunity for realistic solutions has long since passed. Hence...you are destined to lose. 34 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Exactly what is "proper forestry and maintenance"? Clear the under brush. Thin the forest by cutting down trees within the forest. Allow forestry to clear-cut and re-plant. Repeat cycle every year. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 54 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I think you're right. The carbon tax and immigration numbers are both going to need increasing by an enormous factor. Somebody is going to have to pay for it, and someone is going to have to do it. Then maybe we can vacuum, just to be sure. If you refuse to be part of the solution...then you are part of the problem. Congarats. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted August 25, 2023 Author Report Posted August 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Hence...you are destined to lose. We lost the battle for action years ago. 15 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Clear the under brush. Thin the forest by cutting down trees within the forest. Allow forestry to clear-cut and re-plant. Repeat cycle every year. Why? It's just summer isn't it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Nationalist said: If you refuse to be part of the solution...then you are part of the problem. Congarats. Vacuuming going a bit too far? Not enough extension cords? Edited August 25, 2023 by bcsapper Quote
ExFlyer Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Hence...you are destined to lose. Clear the under brush. Thin the forest by cutting down trees within the forest. Allow forestry to clear-cut and re-plant. Repeat cycle every year. Have you ever been in "the forest"? Do you have any idea of how big "the forest" is? Cut down the trees in "the forest"? "Clear cut the forest"? Yours is a not so funny joke. You also said "A mismanaged forest quickly becomes a tinderbox". Really? "The Forest" has been around for millions of years, long before man was around. Who managed it then? O)h yeah, Mother Nature managed it. How? Oh yeah, it allowed fire to go on unimpeded. Edited August 25, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
eyeball Posted August 25, 2023 Author Report Posted August 25, 2023 Of course who can forget the War of the Woods over the sort of forestry practices now contributing to wildfires? The usual suspects (pro climate change people) cheered the arrest of over 800 protestors. Now look at them, whining about forestry practices. I bet you guys even dye your hair purple. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: We lost the battle for action years ago. Why? It's just summer isn't it? It is summer. And what's your point? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted August 25, 2023 Author Report Posted August 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: It is summer. And what's your point? It's not climate change. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 57 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Have you ever been in "the forest"? Do you have any idea of how big "the forest" is? Cut down the trees in "the forest"? "Clear cut the forest"? Yours is a not so funny joke. You also said "A mismanaged forest quickly becomes a tinderbox". Really? "The Forest" has been around for millions of years, long before man was around. Who managed it then? O)h yeah, Mother Nature managed it. How? Oh yeah, it allowed fire to go on unimpeded. I have a house on the edge of a forest so...ya...I've been in a forest. Yes...clean the forest. And we could choose to do that. But when wild fires start, don't scream "AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIE!" And put up with community destruction. 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's not climate change. No its now actually. Its simple forest maintenance. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: I have a house on the edge of a forest so...ya...I've been in a forest. Yes...clean the forest. And we could choose to do that. But when wild fires start, don't scream "AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIE!" And put up with community destruction. No its now actually. Its simple forest maintenance. So, you want to go in with a rake and garbage bags and clean it up? You did not address ""The Forest" has been around for millions of years, long before man was around. Who managed it then? O)h yeah, Mother Nature managed it. How? Oh yeah, it allowed fire to go on unimpeded. ? Your resolution to this situation is naive and simpleton and impossible. BC alone is 149 million forested acres. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 5 hours ago, bcsapper said: Well, I'm glad we agree changes in the climate can be influenced by humans. That has been a bone of contention with some. Obviously mitigating attempts can be made. I didn't say forest management was a bad idea. I said the lack of it does not change the effects of climate change, which are to make the conditions that forest fires occur more likely and more extreme. For instance, if Canada had a total ban on campfires and ATV use from March to November it would help, as fewer fires would be started. It wouldn't change the conditions in the forest. Look: All these guys did was put a metal roof on their house and clear some brush. It doesn't make climate change any less real. I think this entire climate change thing has grown into a out of control monster, much like covid was...it is at the point where any change in the climate whether normal or not is considered climate change... and yet we have records going back 50, 60 years that say that variations in our weather is normal, BC has gotten heat waves before, and certainly has had forest fires...This may be the worst on record, but 3/4 of them have been started by id*ots...who had they stayed home this would have been an uneventful fire season...and certainly would not be not attributed to climate change, as it does not fit the narrative. NB, NS have had their largest fire season yet, we have also had our wettest season in over 40 years...all our fires have led to arrests, and in our media the fire season climate change was to blame... not sure how they connected the dots on that one...but having a wet summer is normal for the Maritimes. forest service has told government at all levels if nothing is done, about removing fuel, or controlled burns, fires are only going to get worse...Kind of hard to blame it all on climate change...when we have always had forest fires, since the beginning of time.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 49 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: So, you want to go in with a rake and garbage bags and clean it up? You did not address ""The Forest" has been around for millions of years, long before man was around. Who managed it then? O)h yeah, Mother Nature managed it. How? Oh yeah, it allowed fire to go on unimpeded. ? Your resolution to this situation is naive and simpleton and impossible. BC alone is 149 million forested acres. Germany does it on a national scale, every town has forest mangers that ensure deadfall is removed, racked up for compost or made into pellets for wood stoves etc...they may not have the forests we do, but the black forest is pretty huge, and it is kept pretty clean, of garbage, deadfall...maybe get some of those trees Justin promised to be planted stuck in the ground...think of the jobs created...more jobs, more taxes, more programs.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Germany does it on a national scale, every town has forest mangers that ensure deadfall is removed, racked up for compost or made into pellets for wood stoves etc...they may not have the forests we do, but the black forest is pretty huge, and it is kept pretty clean, of garbage, deadfall...maybe get some of those trees Justin promised to be planted stuck in the ground...think of the jobs created...more jobs, more taxes, more programs.... Yeah, I have been to Germany where towns are separated by parks (you can call them forests if you want. Cities, towns and villages are often only a few kilometres apart and the population is 84 million over and area of only 350,000 sq kms. In comparison, BC alone is 950,000sq kms and has a population of 5 million and has more forest alone, 60 million hectares (149 million acres) – the size of France and Germany combined. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
OftenWrong Posted August 25, 2023 Report Posted August 25, 2023 6 hours ago, bcsapper said: Hahaha, this from the King Canute of forest fires. The Terminator's got nothing on you. Am simply trying to help you assuage your fear and paranoia over what is called Climate Change. Despite all the intense media hype, these events are not due to it. Not if we believe the official model. The earth's average temp has risen about 0.85 degrees from the standard. Meanwhile the Paris accord sets a limit of 1.5 degrees, close to double this. I am just quoting the Paris accord and observing the numbers. You people do the math. Quote
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