RACIST fraternity pulls out of Florida. Here's why.

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I'd be fine with that IF the lectures were kept strictly to authenticated historical documents, not that systemic racism bullshit you degenerates are so desperate to get out. 

That slaves benefited from slavery because they might have been taught a skill is the epitome of "systemic racism bullshit." You should be ashamed.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Aristides

[impartialobserver]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Did I say slavery was good for them? Or did I say some of the things learned during slavery provided a benefit to the slaves? There is a subtle difference that apparently, this gaggle of collage students don't seem to be able to fathom. Lets see if you can.

the costs (negative aspects of slavery) far outweighed the benefits (skills gained). Its like saying that a rape victim should focus on the minimal benefits.. ability to endure trauma, and not the overall outcome. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by impartialobserver

[Deluge]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

That slaves benefited from slavery because they might have been taught is skill is the epitome of "systemic racism bullshit." You should be ashamed.

Your blubbering about 19th century slavery in a public forum is what's shameful. 

As far as that comment goes, I would've never said such a thing as it's too deep in speculation; but that doesn't mean that it's wrong. You're reading too much into it. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Deluge

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Your blubbering about 19th century slavery in a public forum is what's shameful. 

As far as that comment goes, I would've never said such a thing as it's too deep in speculation; but that doesn't mean that it's wrong. You're reading too much into it. 

Yes, pretend it never happened so you can feel better about yourself. No one alive now needs to feet guilt over it but for crap sake don't try to pretend it never happened or that it wasn't as bad as it was.

[Deluge]

16 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yes, pretend it never happened so you can feel better about yourself. No one alive now needs to feet guilt over it but for crap sake don't try to pretend it never happened or that it wasn't as bad as it was.

Nope. You can't tell me that what slaves learned in slavery wasn't EVER used when they got OUT of slavery. 

There's nothing false about that statement below. I say leave it in.

"Instruction includes how slaves develop skills, which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit."

Check out this link. It gives more insight into what slaves did.

https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/freedom/1609-1865/essays/slavelabor.htm

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Deluge

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

the costs (negative aspects of slavery) far outweighed the benefits (skills gained). Its like saying that a rape victim should focus on the minimal benefits.. ability to endure trauma, and not the overall outcome. 

Oh don't get me wrong. I do agree with this. But you're talking about degrees of acceptance. All this guy said was the benefit existed. It may be horrid to admit. But to outright deny the benefit is childish.

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Oh don't get me wrong. I do agree with this. But you're talking about degrees of acceptance. All this guy said was the benefit existed. It may be horrid to admit. But to outright deny the benefit is childish.

It depends on how you view.. piece by piece or in the macro (result). You could do the same with gambling.. You focus on one data point.. they won $1000 but if you look at the bigger picture and the person also lost $2500 for a net loss of $1500.

On an unrelated note.. did a tax return years ago where the lady had $125,000 in gambling winnings. Sounds great. But then she had $210,000 in losses. All of this was done on penny slots at one casino. 

[Aristides]

13 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Nope. You can't tell me that what slaves learned in slavery wasn't EVER used when they got OUT of slavery. 

There's nothing false about that statement below. I say leave it in.

"Instruction includes how slaves develop skills, which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit."

Check out this link. It gives more insight into what slaves did.

https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/freedom/1609-1865/essays/slavelabor.htm

 

So, slaves were taught skills so they could make more for their owner. Big deal. There was no maturity date on slavery, it was for life unless an owner decided to free them. If they did have a skill it also made them more valuable to an owner who wanted to sell them to someone else.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Aristides

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

So, slaves were taught skills so they could make more for their owner. Big deal. There was no maturity date on slavery, it was for life unless an owner decided to free them. If they did have a skill it also made them more valuable to an owner who wanted to sell them to someone else.

The slaves with skills that WERE set free most likely used those skills to their personal benefit. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

There is no injustice.

There's just you getting pissed off when teachers aren't allowed to single out white kids to make them feel bad about being white. 

And HOW does citing some INSIGNIFICANT "benefit" change that?

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

It depends on how you view.. piece by piece or in the macro (result). You could do the same with gambling.. You focus on one data point.. they won $1000 but if you look at the bigger picture and the person also lost $2500 for a net loss of $1500.

On an unrelated note.. did a tax return years ago where the lady had $125,000 in gambling winnings. Sounds great. But then she had $210,000 in losses. All of this was done on penny slots at one casino. 

IOW, it MIGHT have been a significant benefit to a slave which was bought in 1864 and was taught a skill that he could use in 1865. MAYBE 0.1% of all those enslaved.

Pretending that is SIGNIFICANT to the story of slavery is just disingenuous for GUILT RELIEF.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

It depends on how you view.. piece by piece or in the macro (result). You could do the same with gambling.. You focus on one data point.. they won $1000 but if you look at the bigger picture and the person also lost $2500 for a net loss of $1500.

On an unrelated note.. did a tax return years ago where the lady had $125,000 in gambling winnings. Sounds great. But then she had $210,000 in losses. All of this was done on penny slots at one casino. 

ARGH. Gambling is a mental addiction. So I suppose the question becomes, 'Can one deal with or justify the acknowledgment of a small win amidst a sea of hardship?' Such an acknowledgement could not pass a sniff test, were it presented alone...but it was not. It was a point among many very negative points.

Your tax client did win $125,000. My one grandfather used to say similar things about lottery tickets. We all knew he'd spent $20 to win the $5 he was bragging about. But he did win $5.

[Nationalist]

47 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The slaves with skills that WERE set free most likely used those skills to their personal benefit. 

True. Lucky them eh?

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

The slaves with skills that WERE set free most likely used those skills to their personal benefit. 

If they were lucky they might be able to use some of those skills to make some money to buy their freedom. The owner sets the price then sells the slave to himself instead of another slave owner. Win Win for the slave owner.

31 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

True. Lucky them eh?

How many? One in a hundred? Two hundred? A thousand? What a pathetic joke you guys are.

[Nationalist]

21 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If they were lucky they might be able to use some of those skills to make some money to buy their freedom. The owner sets the price then sells the slave to himself instead of another slave owner. Win Win for the slave owner.

How many? One in a hundred? Two hundred? A thousand? What a pathetic joke you guys are.

Actually...the joke's on you.

"If they were lucky they might be able to use some of those skills to make some money to buy their freedom. The owner sets the price then sells the slave to himself instead of another slave owner. Win Win for the slave owner."

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Actually...the joke's on you.

"If they were lucky they might be able to use some of those skills to make some money to buy their freedom. The owner sets the price then sells the slave to himself instead of another slave owner. Win Win for the slave owner."

WTF don't you understand about that statement? I can't believe you clowns falling all over yourselves trying to justify slavery. What a pathetic joke you are.

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

WTF don't you understand about that statement? I can't believe you clowns falling all over yourselves trying to justify slavery. What a pathetic joke you are.

Not trying to justify jack-sh1t...jack.

I must admit though...this thread does a good job of exemplifying the difference between the Liberal and Conservative points of view.

You can't stand the idea that anyone would think some benefit possible, no matter how small or how obvious, to the slaves, because it feels like a mean and incentive idea. Oh it may be true, but it feels wrong to you. I see the truth of the idea and am willing to acknowledge it, in spite of my feelings about slavery.

Feelings Vs. Reality

Edited August 9, 2023 by Nationalist

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Not trying to justify jack-sh1t...jack.

I must admit though...this thread does a good job of exemplifying the difference between the Liberal and Conservative points of view.

You can't stand the idea that anyone would think some benefit possible, no matter how small or how obvious, to the slaves, because it feels like a mean and incentive idea. Oh it may be true, but it feels wrong to you. I see the truth of the idea and am willing to acknowledge it, in spite of my feelings about slavery.

Feelings Vs. Reality

Your feelings about slavery will grasp at straws trying to minimize the atrocity it was. 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

33 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Your feelings about slavery will grasp at straws trying to minimize the atrocity it was. 

Who's minimizing? Really man...you're just being silly.

[Aristides]

40 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Who's minimizing? Really man...you're just being silly.

Oh, some of them were taught a trade so it's all good. That's you.

[Nationalist]

Just now, Aristides said:

Oh, some of them were taught a trade so it's all good. That's you.

Nobody ever said it's all fine. Get a hold of yourself.

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

If they were lucky they might be able to use some of those skills to make some money to buy their freedom. The owner sets the price then sells the slave to himself instead of another slave owner. Win Win for the slave owner.

Stop crying. 

You should be honoring the many thousands of soldiers who died fighting for the slaves' freedom. 

The slaves who were freed most likely used their skills for employment. 

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

True. Lucky them eh?

Well, like the article says, they did gain useful skills despite their being enslaved. 

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

And HOW does citing some INSIGNIFICANT "benefit" change that?

It doesn't change anything for self abusing race hustlers like you. You just want white slavery in the 21st century - the ultimate AND appropriate (at least in your minds) form of reparations.

Edited August 9, 2023 by Deluge

[impartialobserver]

19 hours ago, Nationalist said:

ARGH. Gambling is a mental addiction. So I suppose the question becomes, 'Can one deal with or justify the acknowledgment of a small win amidst a sea of hardship?' Such an acknowledgement could not pass a sniff test, were it presented alone...but it was not. It was a point among many very negative points.

Your tax client did win $125,000. My one grandfather used to say similar things about lottery tickets. We all knew he'd spent $20 to win the $5 he was bragging about. But he did win $5.

I have gambled $7 since coming to Reno in June 2010. I can't fathom why someone would want to spend the incredible amounts of time in a smoke-filled casino playing penny slots. 125K in losses plus 210K in losses is roughly 335K. Each play most likely cost 45 to 90 cents (it was penny slots after all). So quick estimate.. 335K attempts or plays in the span of 365 days. Just under 1,000 per day. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

It doesn't change anything for self abusing race hustlers like you. You just want white slavery in the 21st century - the ultimate AND appropriate (at least in your minds) form of reparations.

The US government is EVERYONE, including blacks. Duh

Paying restitution for injustice is NOT slavery any more than ANY fine imposed LEGALLY.

You need a new dictionary. Duh