Trump Indicted for Jan 6th Crimes

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Please cite where Democrats conspired to do anything similar to what's accused in this indictment? 

Did Hilary assemble a mob and sick them on the Capitol? Did she implore Biden to accept a separate set of Electors? 

Hillary weaponized the FBI to go after the president.

• The FBI committed actual crimes to get warrants to spy on Trump and his associates
• the FBI told serious lies about the president for 3 years
• the FBI ramped up their lies by releasing an official report on Trump-Russia collusion which was rife with errors and omissions which were all designed to create the illusion that Trump might be guity. They had years to work on that report and it looked like one of Beave's posts
• The FBI also arrested Trump associates for things unrelated to collusion, and then tried to coerce testimony from them with an offer of reduced sentencing
• The FBI tried to create the illusion of violence and danger by having CNN tag along for a pre-dawn raid on Roger Stone's house, where the agents ran around with bullet proof vests and automatic weapons drawn, t-bagging garden gnomes along the way. When you recall that "The FBI can't even talk about how many officers pointed guns at Mark Houck (the guy who pushed someone a year earlier) because that would reveal sources and methods" you have to wonder why they let CNN film that exact type of raid and broadcast it to the entire world...

 

If you're keeping score:

1. Trump told people to stay peaceful and then a small, unarmed mob went through some doors that the police were holding open for them. There was one small area where Ray Epps led a few people to pull down some virtually unguarded, low-security crowd control barriers 
2. Hillary and the FBI conspired/committed crimes to target a political enemy

[Rebound]

29 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you retarded? Kevin Clinesmith pleaded guilty to falsifying evidence to get a warrant to spy on Trump, then the whole FBI pretended not to notice while it was used over and over and over again. 

Do you think that was just Clinesmith himself? Do you think that no one else in the FBI found out that Carter Page was a CIA asset?

Buddy, that email from the CIA didn't go directly to an FBI lawyer alone, it would have gone to an agent and was subsequently passed on to the lawyer in their evidence pckage: either Strzok, Comey or both of them saw the original email. It's 100% certain that crime was not Clinesmith's alone. Even if you argued that it was just him on the original application, that falsified evidence was re-used every time they reapplied for it.

The whole Alfa bank thing was bogus, and that was Hillary's baby. She got her lawyer to bring it to the FBI as a 'concerned citizen' even though he was on her payroll - he was paid to bring that to the FBI.

You know for a fact that the Dems and FBI committed crimes to try to kick Trump out of the WH you goddamned liar. 

Huh. Isn’t that something? And this guy plead guilty got how much jail time? Zero. 

But Mueller got 34 indictments and 8 felony convictions. 

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

1. Trump told people to stay peaceful and then a small, unarmed mob went through some doors that the police were holding open for them. There was one small area where Ray Epps led a few people to pull down some virtually unguarded, low-security crowd control barriers 

We saw the rioting live on TV. It wasn’t a small group of people who entered because the police held the doors open for them. 

Your lying is so bad that nobody should trust anything you say.  

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Hillary weaponized the FBI to go after the president.

• The FBI committed actual crimes to get warrants to spy on Trump and his associates
• the FBI told serious lies about the president for 3 years
• the FBI ramped up their lies by releasing an official report on Trump-Russia collusion which was rife with errors and omissions which were all designed to create the illusion that Trump might be guity. They had years to work on that report and it looked like one of Beave's posts
• The FBI also arrested Trump associates for things unrelated to collusion, and then tried to coerce testimony from them with an offer of reduced sentencing
• The FBI tried to create the illusion of violence and danger by having CNN tag along for a pre-dawn raid on Roger Stone's house, where the agents ran around with bullet proof vests and automatic weapons drawn, t-bagging garden gnomes along the way. When you recall that "The FBI can't even talk about how many officers pointed guns at Mark Houck (the guy who pushed someone a year earlier) because that would reveal sources and methods" you have to wonder why they let CNN film that exact type of raid and broadcast it to the entire world...

 

If you're keeping score:

1. Trump told people to stay peaceful and then a small, unarmed mob went through some doors that the police were holding open for them. There was one small area where Ray Epps led a few people to pull down some virtually unguarded, low-security crowd control barriers 
2. Hillary and the FBI conspired/committed crimes to target a political enemy

Those aren't cites, those are bullet points without any citation. 

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Huh. Isn’t that something? And this guy plead guilty got how much jail time? Zero. 

A member of the FBI falsified evidence and used it to get a warrant to spy on a duly elected president and never got jail time. Huh. Isn't that amazing? You'd think that was kind of serious, but naaah. That's how the FBI roll!

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But Mueller got 34 indictments and 8 felony convictions. 

Indictments don't mean anything. It's just a fancy way of lying. Most of those indictments are against people who will never set foot in the USA. 

None of the 8 felony convictions were for collusion. They were for unrelated things, but the FBI did try to use them to coerce false testimony against Trump. I guess that counts as collusion-related in your books. 

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

We saw the rioting live on TV. It wasn’t a small group of people who entered because the police held the doors open for them. 

Your lying is so bad that nobody should trust anything you say.  

A small group of rioters forced their way past some very lightly guarded barricades. The police let dozens of other people in.

It wasn't an attack.

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

Those aren't cites, those are bullet points without any citation. 

Get up to speed, dumbass. Those are well-established facts that you should be aware of if you want to participate in this discussion.  

And FWIW, bullet points aren't exclusively for 'cites'. Gawd you're a jackass. 

[Boges]

It's interesting the rhetorical tactic of Trump fanboys is NOT to defend his actions or discredit the indictment but pivot to people, they think, should be prosecuted by the FBI. 

[robosmith]

50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you retarded? Kevin Clinesmith pleaded guilty to falsifying evidence to get a warrant to spy on Trump, then the whole FBI pretended not to notice while it was used over and over and over again. 

Do you think that was just Clinesmith himself? Do you think that no one else in the FBI found out that Carter Page was a CIA asset?

Buddy, that email from the CIA didn't go directly to an FBI lawyer alone, it would have gone to an agent and was subsequently passed on to the lawyer in their evidence pckage: either Strzok, Comey or both of them saw the original email. It's 100% certain that crime was not Clinesmith's alone. Even if you argued that it was just him on the original application, that falsified evidence was re-used every time they reapplied for it.

The whole Alfa bank thing was bogus, and that was Hillary's baby. She got her lawyer to bring it to the FBI as a 'concerned citizen' even though he was on her payroll - he was paid to bring that to the FBI.

You know for a fact that the Dems and FBI committed crimes to try to kick Trump out of the WH you goddamned liar. 

How does a Canadian statistician become such an expert on what "the FBI knows"?

A: He watches FOS LIES. And ignores the FACT that they've lied their asses off to help Trump perpetrate HIS BIG LIE. Duh

[Boges]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Get up to speed, dumbass. Those are well-established facts that you should be aware of if you want to participate in this discussion.  

And FWIW, bullet points aren't exclusively for 'cites'. Gawd you're a jackass. 

It they're well established facts you should be able to provide some reliable sources. . .. dumbass. 

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Get up to speed, dumbass. Those are well-established facts that you should be aware of if you want to participate in this discussion.  

And FWIW, bullet points aren't exclusively for 'cites'. Gawd you're a jackass. 

Things you hear on FOS LIES ARE NOT FACTS. MANY are LIES.

And your name calling DOES NOTHING to bolster your credibility.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

It they're well established facts you should be able to provide some reliable sources. . .. dumbass. 

You're sealioning. If you aren't aware of those things you're not fit to participate here. Or is this just another case of you running your mouth while conveniently only knowing 12% of the facts again? 

Read up and come back or pound sand. I'm not here to hold your hand through this. 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're sealioning. If you aren't aware of those things you're not fit to participate here. Or is this just another case of you running your mouth while conveniently only knowing 12% of the facts again? 

Read up and come back or pound sand. I'm not here to hold your hand through this. 

And you're spamming made up details you got from some Blog but refuse to share. Because you can't verify anything you post.

All of which is irrelevant to what Trump is accused of doing. 

[WestCanMan]

43 minutes ago, Boges said:

And you're spamming made up details you got from some Blog but refuse to share. Because you can't verify anything you post.

All of which is irrelevant to what Trump is accused of doing. 

Can you name something that you feel is made up Boges?

Of course not, because if you had something legitimate to complain about, or especially if you knew something was untrue, then you would have jumped all over it. 

You're making a broad, generic accusation because you have zilch to say about my actual comments. 

Hit the skids you lying goddamned weasel.

[Boges]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Can you name something that you feel is made up Boges?

Of course not, because if you had something legitimate to complain about, or especially if you knew something was untrue, then you would have jumped all over it. 

You're making a broad, generic accusation because you have zilch to say about my actual comments. 

Hit the skids you lying goddamned weasel.

I have no way to know because you refuse to provide a cite, so I'll assume it's all from an unreliable source. 

But but Sealioning! ?

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

I have no way to know because you refuse to provide a cite, so I'll assume it's all from an unreliable source. 

But but Sealioning! ?

No one provides cites for common knowledge. 

If you're completely unaware of the FBI's crimes at this stage of the game then that's on you, not me. 

Just try to think of a really good reason why you're unaware of the fact that the FBI was caught committing crimes against a sitting president... Does that make you some kind of idjit? Does it mean that you're getting all of your info from illegitimate sources? 

[myata]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It wasn't an attack.

Injuring 140 people "not an attack"? Ok. How far can a word be stretched to become its opposite?

 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

No one provides cites for common knowledge. 

If you're completely unaware of the FBI's crimes at this stage of the game then that's on you, not me. 

Just try to think of a really good reason why you're unaware of the fact that the FBI was caught committing crimes against a sitting president... Does that make you some kind of idjit? Does it mean that you're getting all of your info from illegitimate sources? 

If they were crimes, then why didn't any of Trump's AGs prosecute them? Were they in on it as well? 

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

Injuring 140 people "not an attack"? Ok. How far can a word be stretched to become its opposite?

 

No, not an 'attack', a riot. 

Leftists were always extremely careful to make the case that the people who attacked the WH on may 29 2021 weren't "attacking" it, or attempting to "attack" Trump, despite the fact that anywhere from 50-100+ secret service members were injured defending the WH, and barricades were broken down. There was also video of one of the rioters yelling to the crowd that they needed to get rid of Trump which has been posted on this forum. 

The mostly peaceful protest at the capitol was no more violent, the capitol was just very lightly defended. 

The only person on record who called for that protest to escalate to an "attack" was Ray Epps, and apparently what he did was legal. 

Even Biden admitted that it was just a protest at the capitol:https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/08/black-lives-matter-protests-and-capitol-assault-co/

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"No one can tell me that if it had been a group of Black Lives Matter protesting yesterday, they wouldn’t have been treated very, very differently than the mob of thugs that stormed the Capitol," Biden said Jan. 7.

And tbh, congenital liar Joe Biden was accidentally correct, because in al of the hundreds of violent BLM riots, where they killed or murdered dozens of people, the police never killed even one unarmed protester. The only BLM rioter shot had already fired a gun himself. And BLM even used force to take over a police station and declared sovereignty over part of Seattle. All that without anyone getting shot. Imagine that.

[impartialobserver]

I do not believe that Trump will be convicted. If he is... so be it. However, unlike those on here, I will put this story on the back shelf until there is an outcome. No new information is going to come out.. saying the same things ad nauseum and pretending that it is new or interesting

 

[Perspektiv]

14 hours ago, Rebound said:

Democrats were just too smart to leave any evidence.

Ding ding ding.

Moral of the story. Don't trust politicians.

Trump had this glimmer of hope to him. Trusting a politician is trusting a crackhead to pay you back.

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, Boges said:

If they were crimes, then why didn't any of Trump's AGs prosecute them? Were they in on it as well? 

If you don't see the level of control that the Dems exert over the judiciary and law enforcement then you're an idjit.

You remember the part about the FBI committing crimes and not getting charged, right? The part where they lied and kept the witch hunt against Trump going 3 years longer than it should have? Why didn't Trump's AGs stop that lie-fest?

How much power and influence over the justice system does it take to do something so illegitimate, so openly, for so long? 

How did Hillary's associates get immunity granted after providing no testimony? That's a slap in the face of law and order. 

The FBI also lied about Hunter's laptop one month before the 2020 election. 50+ former intel officers also signed a document saying that they believed that the laptop was Russian disinformation and that is now known to be a lie as well - the FBI had the laptop in their possession for 11 months at that point, so anyone "in the know" knew that they were lying. That incident alone is evidence that the FBI tried to influence yet another election (the 2020 election which is in question here), and they also unravelled THEIR OWN kidnapping plot against Gretchen Whitmer a month before the 2020 election. How fishy is that? It wasn't until long after the election was over that we found out it was the FBI's own plot, and it was an entrapment scheme.

[Boges]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If you don't see the level of control that the Dems exert over the judiciary and law enforcement then you're an idjit.

You remember the part about the FBI committing crimes and not getting charged, right? The part where they lied and kept the witch hunt against Trump going 3 years longer than it should have? Why didn't Trump's AGs stop that lie-fest?

How much power and influence over the justice system does it take to do something so illegitimate, so openly, for so long? 

How did Hillary's associates get immunity granted after providing no testimony? That's a slap in the face of law and order. 

The FBI also lied about Hunter's laptop one month before the 2020 election. 50+ former intel officers also signed a document saying that they believed that the laptop was Russian disinformation and that is now known to be a lie as well - the FBI had the laptop in their possession for 11 months at that point, so anyone "in the know" knew that they were lying. That incident alone is evidence that the FBI tried to ? yet another election (the 2020 election which is in question here), and they also unravelled THEIR OWN kidnapping plot against Gretchen Whitmer a month before the 2020 election. How fishy is that? It wasn't until long after the election was over that we found out it was the FBI's own plot, and it was an entrapment scheme.

So it's all one conspiracy. ?

Hillary didn't get charged because all the FBI are dems even though the AG was appointed by Trump!

You sound like a Flat Earther. 

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Boges said:

So it's all one conspiracy. ?

How many "FBIs" are there, Einstein?

The FBI are known liars, criminals and election cheats. That's firmly established now, right? 

I've mentioned several of their lies and crime which you can't even dispute. What makes you think this is still a topic for discussion? 

It's case closed bro - the FBI are known liars, criminals and election cheats. 

You can cal it 14 conspiracies if you want. Call it one. Doesn't matter. I don't really care. What we are dealing with is  a federal police force that is entirely compromised and illegitimate.

Do you want to dispute that Boges? Let's go....

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How many "FBIs" are there, Einstein?

The FBI are known liars, criminals and election cheats. That's firmly established now, right? 

I've mentioned several of their lies and crime which you can't even dispute. What makes you think this is still a topic for discussion? 

It's case closed bro - the FBI are known liars, criminals and election cheats. 

You can cal it 14 conspiracies if you want. Call it one. Doesn't matter. I don't really care. What we are dealing with is  a federal police force that is entirely compromised and illegitimate.

Do you want to dispute that Boges? Let's go....

You have a weird way of peddling opinion as fact. It's bizarre. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

You have a weird way of peddling opinion as fact. It's bizarre. 

You have a firmly established pattern of avoiding a debate about factual details and then just replying with a broad generalization which is untrue. It's because you're a worthless liar.

1) Did the FBI commit crimes or did they not?

2) Did the FBI get caught in an entrapment scheme regarding the Gretchen Whitmer case or not?

3) Did the FBI lie a whole shitload of times about both the 2016 and 2020 elections or did they not? 

4) Did several high-ranking members of the FBI get charged criminally (and plead guilty), get fired/demoted for lack of candour, bias, talking to prohibited sources, etc, or did they not?

5) Did a FISA court judge say that the FBI's malfeasance in the collusion farce was so aggregious that it cast a shroud of doubt over everything else that the FBI does, or did they not?

I'm making some very specific, very serious allegations here AGAINST THE FBI here. They should all be very easy for you to disprove. Why don't you just do that? Why do you cower behing false generalization instead?  

dumdum: after all of those lies by CNN, the Dems and the MSM, did Trump have any reason at all to believe them when they said that "a whole bunch of things were debunked, you should never ask anyone about them yourself"? Or are you the only person stupid enough to still believe them? 

I'll tell you for absolute certain that Trump had no reason at all not to check into those things himself. He would be a complete ****** if he didn't. (And if he was a ******, you'd love him. We have ample evidence of that)

 

You're too easy Boges. I'm pretty much done here unless you wanna talk about actual facts directly.