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[Aristides]

30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

yes,  yes, they "announce"

they "sign off on an agreement"

they "finalize"

this is all a play on words

the sycophantic CBC propaganda arm running interference for TruAnon

none the less, there is no contract to purchase a specific number of airframes therein

this is the Canadian state run media, not to be trusted at all

Well, unless you see the actual agreement, all you are doing is speculating. That quote was from the Minister's speech, not the CBC.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

How was Confederation anti- British?

Confederation includes the Quebecois who have always despised the British Crown who rules them

ever since we Hanoverians defeated them on the Plains of Abraham

Canada a French country taken as a war prize for the British Crown by force of arms

hence why there is a Parti Quebecois & Bloc Quebecois, dedicated to the overthrow of the Crown

now joined by the treasonous Quislings of the Liberal Party of Canada Chinese Communist proxies

Confederation is not the state

Confederation is simply an agreement

which any province can opt out of, the only caveat being the Clarity Act

the oath of allegiance is only to the monarch

there is no mention of Confederation therein

as follows

I, ...................., do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles the Third, King of Canada, His Heirs and Successors. So help me God.

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Well, unless you see the actual agreement, all you are doing is speculating. That quote was from the Minister's speech, not the CBC.

if the contract is signed to purchase, it will be posted by the government to this website

https://search.open.canada.ca/contracts/#

let me know if you can find it, because I'm not seeing it

I entered "F-35" in the search, but there is nothing related to that in the results

 

[Aristides]

So we don't know the details of the agreement. Like I said.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So we don't know the details of the agreement. Like I said.

we do know the details of the "agreement"

we cannot however find any contract related to the "announcement"

because there is no such contract

only an "announcement that they have signed off on an agreement"

again. merely political rhetoric with nothing legally binding therein

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

the means are commercial air transport

just like we always deployed overseas

Air Transat to a local airfield

then by rented buses to the forward operating base

since when has Canada ever executed a forced entry into theatre on its own ?

But you are the one who recently said the days of peacekeeping missions such as that and Kosovo are over. Our Polaris fleet was heavily used, most recently during evacuations from the civil war in Sudan just 3 months ago another example of somewhere Air Transat surely wouldn’t go. 
 

If you really believe that Canada is a second rate country that needs a “beer budget” military with no expeditionary capability, the first service to get axed will be your beloved reg force army. We have no need for armour or artillery or any maneuver warfare capability on Canadian soil. Unlike the Air Force and Navy, the army’s conventional combat arms exist primarily to fight on overseas missions. 

A “beer budget” military for a second-rate country like Canada (as you claim) would see the army radically downsized amd converted converted to a lighly armed Militia for domestic constabulary duties…. While hiny new CC-330 Huskies support NORAD patrols up North. 

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 would see the army radically downsized amd converted converted to a lighly armed Militia for domestic constabulary duties….

that would actually be tailored to the threat

you are the one who said there will never be a conventional total war again

and Kosovo was a complete waste of time, instantly forgotten two years later on 9-11

instead, the Chinese Communists are hollowing Canada out from within, by way of your treasonous elites

thus the actual threat is the collapse of civil order and insurrection against the Crown

hence where the Militia would become the only arm of decision

 Infantry regiments from coast to coast

standing by for Defence of the Realm in Aid to the Civil Power

Dileas

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Australian PM flies in B737

HM Royal Australian Navy has aircraft carriers

Canadian PM flies in A330MRTT

"Canadian Forces Maritime Command"  has patrol boats

see how that works ?

that is DND in a nutshell

Australia is not a NATO country or a Northern country and rarely deploys significant forces abroad.  Hence it has less need for strategic refuelling or strategic transport.  China doesn’t border Australia and buzz Australian airspace the same way Russia buzzes ours, and their fighter patrols are not operating in areas as remote our arctic Australia’s remote area is in it’s interior while ours is on our northern frontier with Russia. 

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

.  So your loyalties lie with 2 foreign countries.  One of the problems with Canada is their tolerance with people with loyalties to other countries like yourself.

not at all

the monarchy is a religious institution

loyalty unto God Himself above all

that deity being Yahweh, God of the Hebrews

any intolerance in the face of Him, will simply result in self destruction

those who throw themselves against the likes of me

will  be hoisted upon their own petards therein

nec aspera terrent : no fears on earth

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

not at all

the monarchy is a religious institution

loyalty unto God Himself above all

that deity being Yahweh, God of the Hebrews

any intolerance in the face of Him, will simply result in self destruction

those who throw themselves against the likes of me

will  be hoisted upon their own petards therein

nec aspera terrent : no fears on earth

Thats irrelevant and crazy despotic nonsense. Religion and the monarchy belong on a one-way trip to the bottom of the nearest septic tank. 

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Australia is not a NATO country

just a Realm of the British Crown which embarrasses pathetic feeble Canada

by being an actual country with a real military capable of fighting wars

when I was a young soldier, we were in Australia's league

but not anymore, Canada no longer meets the threshold which Australia has achieved

hence why Canada is not trusted to be in the big leagues with AUKUS

 

Edited July 30, 2023 by Dougie93

[BeaverFever]

22 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

just a Realm of the British Crown which embarrasses pathetic feeble Canada

by being an actual country with a real military capable of fighting wars

when I was a young soldier, we were in Australia's league

but not anymore, Canada no longer meets the threshold which Australia has achieved

hence why Canada is not trusted to be in the big leagues with AUKUS

you leftist traitors don't stand a chance against it in the end

your pathetic fake country is collapsing under the weight of its own lunacy

you are the despots, the vast majority of Canadians hate the likes of you with a passion

? your unhinged ranting isn’t helping prove your case. 

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

? your unhinged ranting isn’t helping prove your case. 

what is "unhinged" ?

speaking the truth of Canada being an international laughing stock ruled over by the TruAnon despots ?

literally just stating facts

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

we do know the details of the "agreement"

we cannot however find any contract related to the "announcement"

because there is no such contract

only an "announcement that they have signed off on an agreement"

again. merely political rhetoric with nothing legally binding therein

Really, where is the text?

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Australia is not a NATO country or a Northern country and rarely deploys significant forces abroad.  Hence it has less need for strategic refuelling or strategic transport.  China doesn’t border Australia and buzz Australian airspace the same way Russia buzzes ours, and their fighter patrols are not operating in areas as remote our arctic Australia’s remote area is in it’s interior while ours is on our northern frontier with Russia. 

Actually it has more need. They don’t  have the US next door to look after them. Chinese expansion in the region is fact.

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Really, where is the text?

that's the bait and switch

they lay out the general terms of a contract

"Canada ( supposedly ) will buy some Block 4 F-35's ( someday )"

they have "finalized signing off on an agreement"

without actually signing a contract

[Moonlight Graham]

5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

a "British fifth column" against the British Crown ?

ha ha ha ha !

cuckoo, cuckoo

I never stopped being British

born in the British Empire, under the rule of the British Crown, by the British North America Act 1867

I never had any fealty to a fake country that doesn't exist in the constitution

I just carry on with the oath that I swore to HM Queen Elizabeth II heirs & successors

Canadian Confederation never actually mentioned therein

We aren't ruled by the British Crown, we're ruled by the Canadian Crown, and have been since 1953.  They are 2 entirely separate and equal legal entities. The British Crown acts in accordance to the will of the British Parliament and we're no longer legally linked to the British Parliament or British Crown since we are now a fully sovereign country legally and politically.

Unless you were born before 1947 you weren't born a British subject if you were born in Canada, you were born a Canadian citizen.  Unless you were born before 1953 in Canada you were never ruled by the British Crown.

If you swore an oath to Queen Elizabeth after 1953 you would have sworn an oath to the Queen of Canada, not the Queen of the UK.  An oath is a legal contract, so the next time you agree to a contract you should read the terms more carefully so you understand it properly.

These changes occurred because Canadian soldiers, including anglo British and Quebecois, fought bravely and proudly together during WWII and wanted more national independence from Britain after the war.  You dishonor them because you want to reverse it all.

The British Empire is dead and buried, get over it, or move to Britain.  All the Brit ex-pats living in Canada i've encountered over the years who think we're still a part of the British Empire are as delusional as you are.

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

Actually it has more need. They don’t  have the US next door to look after them. Chinese expansion in the region is fact.

Yes but that’s in their home territory. STRATEGIC capabilities refer to operations in other parts of the world.  AFAIK Australian military doctrine is primarily focused on Fortress Australia (including surrounding ocean and airspace) and much less on deploying forces abroad compared to Canada 

Edited July 30, 2023 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

what is "unhinged" ?

speaking the truth of Canada being an international laughing stock ruled over by the TruAnon despots ?

literally just stating facts

Your religious diatribes,  anti-Canada diatribes and irrelevant monarchist drivel are the unhinged elements 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Your religious diatribes,  anti-Canada diatribes and irrelevant monarchist drivel are the unhinged elements 

monarchy & religion are the only redeeming features of Canada

otherwise it is nothing more than a dreary socialist wasteland of government apparatchiks

Immiserating the population with their imbecilic incompetence

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We aren't ruled by the British Crown, we're ruled by the Canadian Crown, and have been since 1953.  They are 2 entirely separate and equal legal entities. The British Crown acts in accordance to the will of the British Parliament and we're no longer legally linked to the British Parliament or British Crown since we are now a fully sovereign country legally and politically.

Unless you were born before 1947 you weren't born a British subject if you were born in Canada, you were born a Canadian citizen.  Unless you were born before 1953 in Canada you were never ruled by the British Crown.

If you swore an oath to Queen Elizabeth after 1953 you would have sworn an oath to the Queen of Canada, not the Queen of the UK.  An oath is a legal contract, so the next time you agree to a contract you should read the terms more carefully so you understand it properly.

These changes occurred because Canadian soldiers, including anglo British and Quebecois, fought bravely and proudly together during WWII and wanted more national independence from Britain after the war.  You dishonor them because you want to reverse it all.

The British Empire is dead and buried, get over it, or move to Britain.  All the Brit ex-pats living in Canada i've encountered over the years who think we're still a part of the British Empire are as delusional as you are.

this is just more of the Canadian Disease

a pathological insecurity about being a British colony living in the shadow of America

inciting the total dysfunction and utter ineptitude of the Confederation

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

 drivel

the drivel is you being an apologist for the state of the Canadian military being an international laughing stock

[Dougie93]

the first of Canada's CC-330 Husky's has been delivered

and lo & behold, it is not a Multi Role Tanker Transport

just as we suspected : it's Justin Trudeau's  Hair Force One !

did someone say Justin Nero wouldn't be around to get to fly in it ?

don't be silly, Hair Force One is the priority, that had to be delivered immediately

https://defbrief.com/2023/06/01/first-of-canadas-new-air-force-one-planes-heading-home/

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

the drivel is you being an apologist for the state of the Canadian military being an international laughing stock

No no way am I an apologist,  I  am an advocate for increased military spending. You are the one opposing it and your comments about “Canadian Disease” demonstrate you have this ridiculous belief that Canada is not a legitimate country and must mind its place with substandard capabilities. Mentalities such as yours are the real Canadian Disease.  When Vancouver hosted the 2010 olympics people with your mentality were upset that the Canadian Olympic team had a strategy to win gold medals because people like you worried Canada winning medals would offend other more deserving countries.  How dare a mediocre, second-rate country like Canada aspire to rise above its station, that’s an insult to our betters, they said. In their view, Canadas rightful place in any ordered ranking is middle of the pack, ahead of third world countries but dead last among developed nations.  The people who want who want to slash the military budget point out that in total spending Canada ranks 14th in the world. How dare we rank #14 they say, even that position is too grand for mediocre country such as ours. . Never mind our country has the world’s second largest landmass, the #1 largest offshore territory and #1 longest coastline on 3 oceans, what matters most to them is that we must always think of ourselves as insignificant pipsqueaks and we must mind our place accordingly. Typical of the insecure, small-minded colonial mentality that pervades many corners of Canada, especially those from older generations who grew up under a British flag and US leadership during the Cold War. The tall Canadian poppy must always be cut down  

In fact I would argue that you don’t care about the CAF at all, you have an interest in the army but only because you have a personal connection to it so it’s really just about YOU and not about CAF at all. 

Edited July 30, 2023 by BeaverFever

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

this ridiculous belief that Canada is not a legitimate country and must mind its place with substandard capabilities.

that is simply how Canada behaves

hence that's literally what Canada is known for around the world

I at least had the privilege of serving in the best small army in the world

before I watched Canada deliberately destroy all that with gusto

but frankly, the Decade of Darkness looks like a golden age, compared to the state of the military now