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[BeaverFever]

On 5/18/2026 at 10:45 PM, Army Guy said:

Yes US started the conflict with Iran, lets not pretend Iran is innocent in all of this, and did not deserve to be kicked in the face....

Whether or not Iran is “innocent” and what it “deserves” are totally irrelevant.  Trump’s war is stupid poorly planned and completely unnecessary, period 

 

On 5/18/2026 at 10:45 PM, Army Guy said:

and while all those nations refuse to open up the strait they should not complain about the cost of fuel that they are more than willing to pay, instead of helping lower the cost by enforcing international law on Iran by blackmailing the world by holding the strait hostage......The world had choices and we fell into the complaining crowd...

Absolute Bullshit. If some doped up junkie breaks into your house and shits on your floor you don’t waive your right to complain when you insist they clean up the mess   You certainly DONT offer to clean it up yourself under the supervision and direction of the junkie. 

[John Stone]

 

The 'Donald' has said Bibi will do 'whatever I want him to do" after the two held a 60 minute phone call over the war in Iran. 

In a 'dramatic'' conversation on Wednesday, the pair are said to have clashed over  whether to resume strikes in Iran or give negotiators a year or so to reach deal. 

................reports indicate that Trump responded with a barrage of 'yes / no' replies throughout the conversation.

The call ended with Trump acknowledging to Bibi that Bibi was his hero, a good guy and his friend forever and ever!  😅

 

[User]

27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Whether or not Iran is “innocent” and what it “deserves” are totally irrelevant.  Trump’s war is stupid poorly planned and completely unnecessary, period 

That is your subjective opinion. 

That being said, the US, Israel, and Iran are currently under a ceasefire where Israel and the US have stopped attacking Iran, yet Iran continues to hold the Strait hostage. 

So... what is your excuse for still defending them?



 

28 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Absolute Bullshit. If some doped up junkie breaks into your house and shits on your floor you don’t waive your right to complain when you insist they clean up the mess   You certainly DONT offer to clean it up yourself under the supervision and direction of the junkie. 

In this instance, that junkie is Iran. You can complain all you want to, but that is all it is... complaining. 

 

16 minutes ago, John Stone said:

 

The 'Donald' has said Bibi will do 'whatever I want him to do" after the two held a 60 minute phone call over the war in Iran. 

In a 'dramatic'' conversation on Wednesday, the pair are said to have clashed over  whether to resume strikes in Iran or give negotiators a year or so to reach deal. 

................reports indicate that Trump responded with a barrage of 'yes / no' replies throughout the conversation.

The call ended with Trump acknowledging to Bibi that Bibi was his hero, a good guy and his friend forever and ever!  😅

 

Can you provide us the transcript of the call you are using here? 

Or are you just repeating what the voices in your head are telling you right now...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Better do what de Boss says, goy, Massah gonna whip yo' ass.an come down on de rest of us even worser

You're talking in your sleep again   

[BeaverFever]

On 5/18/2026 at 10:49 PM, Army Guy said:

Have you listened to that speech...did you think there would be no consequences, this is not week one of trumps rule, this is the second term....we should know by now this was not going to go well....And i think this is just on straw, there are lots of things carney has said that has not gone well....and lets face it, all that has happened is lots of promises...nothing more... 

Where is the investments, have we signed any contracts yet....with exception of ships....no all we have right now is words, and promises....

Nonsense. Entire apartment buildings and hundreds of acres land has  been bought.  Bases are being completely renovated sewage electric housing.  7 bombardier jets purchased, multiple space and satellite deals. The deal for the apartment building deal they bought in ESQUIMALT was closed within 5 weeks. I have posted many of them on here. Your extreme partisan bias doesn’t allow you to absorb the truth.

[BeaverFever]

On 5/18/2026 at 11:13 PM, Army Guy said:

I'm pretty sure the whole issue is spelled out in the NATO charter....3.5 spent on military, equipment and operating costs, 1.5 % on military infra structure...which could be anything that could be used for the military like railroads, major road networks, dual purpose things like water treatment plants, sewage plants up north..

Not the NATO charter. The 2% is from a 2014 NON-BINDING PLEDGE signed by Harper and ignored for a decade afterwards by every country. The 3.5 plus 1.5 is from last year and is also a non-binding pledge. 
 

 

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, User said:

Well, no, this was your stupid lie about what he said, not what he actually said. Like almost every discussion you are in, you ran away from that one and continue to peddle the same lies long after. 

If you wish to rehash the past, then provide the actual quotes, not your made-up BS. Or maybe don't run away from the thread. 

What does any of this have to do with anything here anyhow? Nothing. Just your usual stupidity. You can't win in an earnest discussion, so you just throw mud at the wall. 

The one lying here is you. He literally said “CANS OF GASOLINE”. Do you deny it? 
 

 

4 hours ago, User said:

And yet you are here on this forum engaging in the BS cowardly antics you do....

Notice how you did not respond to anything I actually said here on this subject... you just rehash old arguments you ran away from, you lied in, to distract. Same old stupid dishonest games you play. 

 

I responded to all of your arguments and explained why they are irrelevant and don’t mean what you claim they mean. I explained what the text “part of a tree planting program” you ket harping about is referring to and why it’s still part of the military’s regular and routine expenditures 

 

Your argument tactics are these

1) call everyone who disagrees with you “a liar” randomly

2) repeat yourself endlessly in post after post without saying anything new and

3) accuse the other person of “running away” because you are a sad pathetic person with no life and live online 24/7 to argue with strangers on the internet 

 

its sad really 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

I was talking about the Carney and Canada, do try to keep up.

And I was telling you that’s actually describing Trump not Carney. Do try to keep up. 

[Legato]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

And I was telling you that’s actually describing Trump not Carney. Do try to keep up. 

Trump is your incarnation and in the gist of that conversation was an attempt to cloud the issue with the hollowman.

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, User said:

And?

Is attacking international shipping a valid and legitimate thing to do in war that you fully endorse now? Mr International Law?

No but this is all a consequence of Trump’s incompetence. None of this would be happening if Trump hadn’t gotten delusions of grandeur from his Venezuela mission and started this completely unnecessary war. 
 

On 5/18/2026 at 11:31 PM, CdnFox said:

Yeah, and we make some of the best lavs in the world. The Americans model their strikers after ours. But we gave the ones we were making to the Ukraine and never replaced them so now our people have none but we can claim that we met our commitments for NATO spending and Ukraine.

1) Our LAVs are not necessarily “the best” wheeled armour now, they are actually considered light for peer combat they were designed for GWOT. Strykers are based on an older LAV3 that we replaced in 2019 with LAV6. The European Boxer and IVECO Super AV are actually both considered by many to be better suited for peer conflicts. Not that the LAV6 is objectively inadequate it’s just not necessarily optimized but it’s subjective. .
 

2) we only gave a few of the ones were making to Ukraine we are still producing and taking delivery of new ones. 
 

On 5/18/2026 at 11:31 PM, CdnFox said:

Canadians believe Carney when he says they're massively increasing spending. They believe you guys went from 1.6% of GDP all the way up to a full five and will soon be rolling in new tanks and submarines and planes etc. They have no idea of the shell game that's gone on

Even the headlines like the ones above. When carney announces new military spending the headline is always liberals increase spending or Carney hits 5% spending target, But the headlines for the negative stuff never actually include mention of the government or Carney. Notice the headline above does not say that the government cut spending. And people often don't read the story they just skimmed the headlines.

If we believe the news carney is personally pouring over pamphlets for new submarines and is just about to click place your order on the Amazon version of military hardware to upgrade all our gear. They have no idea that most of the money is going to things that we wouldn't normally consider to be military and that most of these purchases aren't happening or will happen in decades.

None of this is true of course. And nobody not even Carney has claimed the Liberals have spent 5% or that Carney is personally pouring ever submarine specs.  Spending is at 2%. The submarine contract will be awarded this year which will be MANY YEARS ahead of schedule and the largest contract in Canadian history and we’ll hear all the creative excuses from the usual suspects about how somehow “it doesn’t count” and is “nothing” 

[CdnFox]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

1) Our LAVs are not necessarily “the best” wheeled armour now, they are actually considered light for peer combat they were designed for GWOT.

Oh so you're saying we make shit and our lavs are bad? or are you just trying to dodge the conversaion?

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

2) we only gave a few of the ones were making to Ukraine we are still producing and taking delivery of new ones. 

We sent 50, not a few. And we still haven't come anywhere close to meeting our needs, not even half.

And god knows if we wind up giving those away too when we get them.

But my point stands. We gave away about a third of all of the ones that produced to Ukraine and chalk that up to our military spending. But in reality those 50 units did nothing to increase our preparedness. We don't have them.

Good thing they're crap I guess, so we don't miss them  

[User]

46 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The one lying here is you. He literally said “CANS OF GASOLINE”. Do you deny it? 

Show me where and the full quote. The last time you ran like the coward you almost always were, you were the one pushing this dishonest argument, and here is the comment you ran from:

You want to rehash this stuff? Be my guest, be brave enough to go back to all the other stupidity and lies you were caught in:
 

 

[Zeitgeist]

21 hours ago, User said:

Well, the folks who live in Israel as well as our strategic interests in the region, which are attacked by Iranian proxies routinely and threatened by them don't have the luxury to sit around forever saying they just don't know if attacking Iran was the way to go on this. 

The point was, you are saying having more people is better, but you still sit here in opposition to the war and still say it should have involved more people... but won't say Canada should have helped... so, if other nations are not going to help, and you don't support your own nation helping, it is an impossible standard you are putting on the US. You must get help! But I don't support helping you!

I hope it gets resolved soon as well. 

The decision whether to attack a country of around 95 million people that’s geographically far larger than Iraq is not as simple as assessing whether you have more military power than that trouble-making country can resist.  Israel could do that on its own.  The reason it didn’t, despite multiple small attacks from Iran-funded Hezbollah over decades is because Iran is a major civilization that, if unified, can create serious long term problems.  Not even the dumbest, most evil fools would actually attempt to mass murder 95 million people, most of whom are just civilians trying to live ordinary lives.  The condemnation of the world would be too much to manage, so everyone understands that massive attacks on Iran aren’t on, particularly after the international fallout from Gaza, and especially since creating lasting control over a country of that size would require a land invasion that no Western nation could stomach.

The US therefore tried to decapitate its leaders and destroy its military assets, hoping enough political resistance would step up among Iranians to finish the job.  Well the US-Israeli airstrikes killed about 3000 people and  the regime persists.  It’s the Afghanistan problem: No one can tell who the enemies are.  Your friends during the day are putting IEDs under your vehicles at night. The Iranians consider this a war crime, are demanding reparations, and they retain control of the Strait.  They are choking off trade and help is required to relieve that trade by opening up the Strat. Well no one wants to get drawn into a war over which they were given zero input, because the message from Washington continues to be, “We do everything and you’re useless. We’ll do what we want without consulting allies.”  Who wants to get wrapped up with that?

At this point the US has to salvage the original goal of somehow eliminating Iran’s nuclear program, but I don’t know how possible that is or how easy it is to verify that. None of the posters here know, I imagine.

The new big problem is how to reopen the Strait, which has become Iran’s leverage in any negotiations.  Allies could help reopen the Strait , but probably only after under a ceasefire.  Until trade flows resume, we get to enjoy massive inflation.  

Edited May 22 by Zeitgeist

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, User said:

Show me where and the full quote. The last time you ran like the coward you almost always were, you were the one pushing this dishonest argument, and here is the comment you ran from:

You want to rehash this stuff? Be my guest, be brave enough to go back to all the other stupidity and lies you were caught in:
 

 

Oh he said “barrels” of gasoline, not cans. Wow that’s a big difference

Explain how barrels of “gasoline” or “petroleum” (natural gas is not petroleum either) help produce extra power for the grid when all your power plants are fed natural by pipe and running at full power?  Do you think putting extra cand of gas in the trunk of your car make the car go faster?

 

Battery storage is a teal thing this is used all over the world and allows you to use existing power generators to produce electricity when it’s cheap and save it for later when it’s needed amd all your generators are already in use or when it would be more expensive to use them. Storing “barrels of gasoline” or “petroleum” is not a thing for grid-connected power generation and doesn’t solve any existing problems, it’s just gibberish he made up and you defended  

 

the quote:

Did you think the gasoline storage is some form of electrical generation on its own? Those are the two things being compared. The storage of energy. 

Again, because apparently you're having trouble with basic English, when electrical storage is as efficient and cost-effective as petroleum energy storage

 

 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh so you're saying we make shit and our lavs are bad?

No, dipshit.  What’s wrong with you?  Seriously. Are you that much of a child?

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We sent 50, not a few. And we still haven't come anywhere close to meeting our needs, not even half

Those still being delivered to the Army and still rolling off the line. 128 have been delivered as of October 2025 with the remainder due this year. I don’t know how many they’ve received to date but they’re getting delivered all the time. in fact the order was recently increased with an additional 190 just recently approved by Carney’s cabinet (more “he’s doing nothing” right?)  

The army also has a request in for the first 140 of planned 1100 of the next generation LAV plus ACSV 2.0 for mid 2030s which is part of a brand new “Armoured Combat Vehicle Wheeled” program  According to one prominent Canadian defence analyst at TNSR:

 “ACV-W is an ongoing, continuous initiative stretching out past 2035. It aims to create a continuous procurement platform for the LAV family, with goals to more than double the fleet over the next decade….The current expectations financially is set at ~$62-86 billion dollars depending heavily on how many we end up procuring. The lowest number given is 2300, while the Army would prefer 3908 to meet NATO commitments.

The highest number though, which assumes a full of society mobilization in a major global conflict calls for a staggering 5080 LAV! Over five times the current inventory. ….ACV-W will not be a one time procurement but a vehicle for sustained procurement over a decade+. “

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The decision whether to attack a country of around 95 million people that’s geographically far larger than Iraq is not as simple as assessing whether you have more military power than that trouble-making country can resist.  Israel could do that on its own.  The reason it didn’t, despite multiple small attacks from Iran-funded Hezbollah over decades is because Iran is a major civilization that, if unified, can create serious long term problems.  Not even the dumbest, most evil fools would actually attempt to mass murder 95 million people, most of whom are just civilians trying to live ordinary lives.  The condemnation of the world would be too much to manage, so everyone understands that massive attacks on Iran aren’t on, particularly after the international fallout from Gaza, and especially since creating lasting control over a country of that size would require a land invasion that no Western nation could stomach.

The US therefore tried to decapitate its leaders and destroy its military assets, hoping enough political resistance would step up among Iranians to finish the job.  Well the US-Israeli airstrikes killed about 3000 people and  the regime persists.  It’s the Afghanistan problem: No one can tell who the enemies are.  Your friends during the day are putting IEDs under your vehicles at night. The Iranians consider this a war crime, are demanding reparations, and they retain control of the Strait.  They are choking off trade and help is required to relieve that trade by opening up the Strat. Well no one wants to get drawn into a war over which they were given zero input, because the message from Washington continues to be, “We do everything and you’re useless. We’ll do what we want without consulting allies.”  Who wants to get wrapped up with that?

At this point the US has to salvage the original goal of somehow eliminating Iran’s nuclear program, but I don’t know how possible that is or how easy it is to verify that. None of the posters here know, I imagine.

The new big problem is how to reopen the Strait, which has become Iran’s leverage in any negotiations.  Allies could help reopen the Strait , but probably only after under a ceasefire.  Until trade flows resume, we get to enjoy massive inflation.  

And the supply of enemies changes with each attack on the country. It’s not a static number. Why is this so hard to understand after Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq? It’s counter-insurgency 101. People who are not fond of the regime are still Iranian, love their country and hate seeing it bombed by foreigners. 

[John Stone]

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The decision whether to attack a country of around 95 million people that’s geographically far larger than Iraq is not as simple as assessing whether you have more military power than that trouble-making country can resist.  Israel could do that on its own.  The reason it didn’t, despite multiple small attacks from Iran-funded Hezbollah over decades is because Iran is a major civilization that, if unified, can create serious long term problems.  Not even the dumbest, most evil fools would actually attempt to mass murder 95 million people, most of whom are just civilians trying to live ordinary lives.  The condemnation of the world would be too much to manage, so everyone understands that massive attacks on Iran aren’t on, particularly after the international fallout from Gaza, and especially since creating lasting control over a country of that size would require a land invasion that no Western nation could stomach.

The US therefore tried to decapitate its leaders and destroy its military assets, hoping enough political resistance would step up among Iranians to finish the job.  Well the US-Israeli airstrikes killed about 3000 people and  the regime persists.  It’s the Afghanistan problem: No one can tell who the enemies are.  Your friends during the day are putting IEDs under your vehicles at night. The Iranians consider this a war crime, are demanding reparations, and they retain control of the Strait.  They are choking off trade and help is required to relieve that trade by opening up the Strat. Well no one wants to get drawn into a war over which they were given zero input, because the message from Washington continues to be, “We do everything and you’re useless. We’ll do what we want without consulting allies.”  Who wants to get wrapped up with that?

At this point the US has to salvage the original goal of somehow eliminating Iran’s nuclear program, but I don’t know how possible that is or how easy it is to verify that. None of the posters here know, I imagine.

The new big problem is how to reopen the Strait, which has become Iran’s leverage in any negotiations.  Allies could help reopen the Strait , but probably only after under a ceasefire.  Until trade flows resume, we get to enjoy massive inflation.  

........... arguably, Op Absolute Resolve - provided US rookies (in war) with a degree of hubris not seen since 2022 - Putin, Russo-Ukraine. 

Venezuela was ruled by thugs (still is) while Iran is RULED by fanatics (still is).

The strategy was that it was like peeling an onion - take out the first layer to get to a manageable (thug), while in Iran, take out the outer layer to enable a manageable layer. (fanatic)

Worked in Venezuela (no democracy), won't work in Iran (ground forces notwithstanding)

Trump MUST settle the ME before the midterms - Iran  knows  this. 

Winner?

China / Russia (oil prices skyrocketing)

ME will flow towards the slants. 

Russia most certainly does not want the Iran 'dustup' to end. (sanctions lifted, reduced prices, gone)

China WAS isolated - Trump gave them oxygen - treats them as EQUALS??

What a dumbass. 

Edited May 22 by John Stone

[John Stone]

17 hours ago, User said:

That is your subjective opinion. 

That being said, the US, Israel, and Iran are currently under a ceasefire where Israel and the US have stopped attacking Iran, yet Iran continues to hold the Strait hostage. 

So... what is your excuse for still defending them?



 

In this instance, that junkie is Iran. You can complain all you want to, but that is all it is... complaining. 

 

Can you provide us the transcript of the call you are using here? 

Or are you just repeating what the voices in your head are telling you right now...

............ the truth only hurtz when u want to believe, and believe, and believe .................. a lie, dude. 

keep believe'n. 😅

[John Johnston]

25 minutes ago, John Stone said:

........... arguably, Op Absolute Resolve - provided US rookies (in war) with a degree of hubris not seen since 2022 - Putin, Russo-Ukraine. 

Venezuela was ruled by thugs (still is) while Iran is RULED by fanatics (still is).

The strategy was that it was like peeling an onion - take out the first layer to get to a manageable (thug), while in Iran, take out the outer layer to enable a manageable layer. (fanatic)

Worked in Venezuela (no democracy), won't work in Iran (ground forces notwithstanding)

Trump MUST settle the ME before the midterms - Iran  knows  this. 

Winner?

China / Russia (oil prices skyrocketing)

ME will flow towards the slants. 

Russia most certainly does not want the Iran 'dustup' to end. 

China WAS isolated - Trump gave them oxygen - treats them as EQUALS??

What a dumbass. 

The Thugs are not only in Venezuela. The Thugs are in the Whitehouse too. One quagmire is not enough, gotta go after Cuba and have another quagmire going to deflect from the Ballroom, Arch and Trump-Epstein Files. No shortage of entertainment. 

[John Stone]

1 minute ago, John Johnston said:

The Thugs are not only in Venezuela. The Thugs are in the Whitehouse too. One quagmire is not enough, gotta go after Cuba and have another quagmire going to deflect from the Ballroom, Arch and Trump-Epstein Files. No shortage of entertainment. 

............. I wouldn't describe the Trump administration as 'thugs' - the US (for now) is a democracy, albeit corrupted to a degree never seen before.  

Interesting to note their is no talk of elections re: Cuba, dare I mention Venezuela .................. Iran? 

If there is one thing Trump detests, it is democracy - ergo his attempts to rewrite 2020. 

Standby for 2028 ........

Trump is strategizing  another insurrection .............. and he is far (far) more experienced .............. and enabled. 

........... the US is in decline ........ alone and mistrusted. 

Where once they had an international 'gang' of hundreds .......... now they stand alone. 

Where once they negotiated with China and Russia representing the 'gang' now they negotiate alone?

........... the reverberations of Trump's regime will last decades ........... 

 

 

[John Johnston]

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A thug is generally someone who engages in violent, aggressive, or criminal behavior, often using intimidation or force to achieve their goals, though the term can also carry cultural and social nuances.

Definition and Origins

The word "thug" originally comes from the Hindi word ṭhag, meaning "thief" or "con man," and historically referred to members of criminal gangs in India who committed robbery and violence, sometimes killing travelers for gain Merriam-Webster+1. In modern English, a thug is typically defined as a violent or brutish criminal or bully who disregards the law and the well-being of others

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A thug is generally someone who engages in violent, aggressive, or criminal behavior, often using intimidation or force to achieve their goals, though the term can also carry cultural and social nuances.

Definition and Origins

The word "thug" originally comes from the Hindi word ṭhag, meaning "thief" or "con man," and historically referred to members of criminal gangs in India who committed robbery and violence, sometimes killing travelers for gain Merriam-Webster+1. In modern English, a thug is typically defined as a violent or brutish criminal or bully who disregards the law and the well-being of others

Trump is indeed a Thug. And by extension so too are his supporters. 

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, John Johnston said:

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A thug is generally someone who engages in violent, aggressive, or criminal behavior, often using intimidation or force to achieve their goals, though the term can also carry cultural and social nuances.

Definition and Origins

The word "thug" originally comes from the Hindi word ṭhag, meaning "thief" or "con man," and historically referred to members of criminal gangs in India who committed robbery and violence, sometimes killing travelers for gain Merriam-Webster+1. In modern English, a thug is typically defined as a violent or brutish criminal or bully who disregards the law and the well-being of others

Trump is indeed a Thug. And by extension so too are his supporters. 

..................... arguably, Trump would prefer to be described as 'strong man' ........ a guy who doesn't bluff?😅

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[User]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

............ the truth only hurtz when u want to believe, and believe, and believe .................. a lie, dude. 

keep believe'n. 😅

Your brain is in a blender. It’s jello. 

[User]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

And the supply of enemies changes with each attack on the country. It’s not a static number. Why is this so hard to understand after Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq? It’s counter-insurgency 101. People who are not fond of the regime are still Iranian, love their country and hate seeing it bombed by foreigners. 

Ah yes… the classic stupid argument, we just have to live with the terrorism because if we kill the terrorists there will be more terrorist. 

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No, dipshit.  What’s wrong with you?  Seriously. Are you that much of a child?

 

Were you reading your own words there? You sure are mad when i repeat what you say back at you

 

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Those still being delivered to the Army and still rolling off the line. 128 have been delivered as of

Sooo.... what i said then.  We gave away about a third and our guys still don't have even half of what they were supposed to.  In other words i was right.  Well... thanks i guess?

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The army also has a request in for the first 140 of planned 1100 of the next generation LAV plus ACSV 2.0 for mid 2030s

Requests are nice but they're not apcs. And they can be canceled. Right now we do not have enough apcs to fill our needs and the Americans are looking at this and they're saying we're not taking this seriously.

And they're right. You can whine and cry and dance and come up with bullshit and complain about what you yourself said as much as you like but it doesn't change that

We rode off things like trees and a coast guard and military gear that we gave to someone else that does us no good as spending on our own military preparedness and the Americans obviously don't buy that anymore than any other same person would

But I could see why you want to try and change the discussion considering you know I'm right and you would look like a twat trying to argue with. So you try and come up with something fake that nobody mentioned to argue about.

The liberals have a very long history of canceling military procurement contracts. What matters is what we have in hand and the answer to that is far less than we should and obviously in the Americans don't think that's changing fast enough