Canada can't compete in NATO air exercise because none of our aircraft can fly

[BeaverFever]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The libs have raised taxes many times. Still no planes.

Well just the carbon tax, really. And that’s not available for military spending 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Well just the carbon tax, really. And that’s not available for military spending 

It's available for whatever government wants to spend it on. The government also collects GST on the tax.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Well just the carbon tax, really. And that’s not available for military spending 

Well also employment taxes other deduction taxes for employees, business taxes AND they charge gst on the carbon tax and that alone is worth almost half a billion a year and they keep raising that and as it turns out they are keeping a healthy hunk of the carbon tax, the vast majority of people get back less than they spend.

THer was also the multi billion windfall tax on the banks.  But that was just one year.  But it was billions.

He ain't been cutting taxes, that's for sure.

 

[Aristides]

The government collects GST on almost everything so as inflation increases the price of everything, GST revenues increase accordingly.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Aristides said:

The government collects GST on almost everything so as inflation increases the price of everything, GST revenues increase accordingly.

True - the so called 'hidden tax increases' and it's been worth a lot

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

employment taxes other deduction taxes for employees, business taxes

Those increased?  CPP and EI premiums don’t count 

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The government collects GST on almost everything so as inflation increases the price of everything, GST revenues increase accordingly.

Yeah I’m questioning which takes liberals raised. 

[BeaverFever]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's available for whatever government wants to spend it on. The government also collects GST on the tax.

I think the proceeds are transferred back to the jurisdiction in which they were collected or to families through the climate action incentive payments (got one today actually). 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I think the proceeds are transferred back to the jurisdiction in which they were collected or to families through the climate action incentive payments (got one today actually). 

That was the original plan. At the moment it's not working out that way. Some is transferred. not all.

There was never any real doubt that this would be the case tho, if we're being honest.  BC's carbon tax was 'revenue neutral' as well, for like 3 years. Now it's just part of general revenues.

[BeaverFever]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That was the original plan. At the moment it's not working out that way. Some is transferred. not all.

There was never any real doubt that this would be the case tho, if we're being honest.  BC's carbon tax was 'revenue neutral' as well, for like 3 years. Now it's just part of general revenues.

The only thing I see suggesting it’s not revenue neutral pertains to the GST

[Aristides]

35 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I think the proceeds are transferred back to the jurisdiction in which they were collected or to families through the climate action incentive payments (got one today actually). 

Yes but there is no dedicated account that the money goes into. You get what the government decides to give you.

42 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Those increased?  CPP and EI premiums don’t count 

Yeah I’m questioning which takes liberals raised. 

The point is, it is more money in government's pocket and less in yours.

[BeaverFever]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yes but there is no dedicated account that the money goes into. You get what the government decides to give you.

The point is, it is more money in government's pocket and less in yours.

Apparently the funds do not go to general revenue 
 

Is it less in my pocket?

 

 

 

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Bad people don't volunteer.

Unfortunately the power screws to many of them up.

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We can start with putting firm deadlines and dates into contracts, as well as penalties for failure. Such things are routine in commercial contracts. More money to the AGs office, and to the Information Commissioner, along with new rules on opening government files to the public.

Good luck.

[Dougie93]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

   We will also finally have JSOW so we can bomb targets from over 100km away which is key

as if Canada would ever stockpile JSOW's for a war

how many is Canada going to buy ?

[BeaverFever]

58 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

as if Canada would ever stockpile JSOW's for a war

how many is Canada going to buy ?

Hard to find. All I can find online is an order from a few years ago for 20 units but that’s probably just for testing and training. 
 

Realistically in any allied air campaign I bet we’d just pay the US to use their stockpiles.

[Aristides]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Apparently the funds do not go to general revenue 
 

Is it less in my pocket?

 

 

 

 

 

Where do they go then?

Of course it is.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

Where do they go then?

Of course it is.

@BeaverFever,  i have to say Aristides is correct in this case,  it just goes into general revenue. Most things do.  There's no 'carbon tax' separate fund or anything.

So when they pay out less than they collect the money is already in gen rev for spending.

I know that many people thought that there was some sort of 'carbon fund' that all gets returned but that's not how it works. It's like 'equalization payments' which everyone thinks provinces pay into but it's just income tax money in the general revenue.

Also - about 15-20 percent of the tax collected gets spent just on administrating the tax and providing refunds. So it's not possible for the gov't to return even as much as people pay into it.

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Hard to find. All I can find online is an order from a few years ago for 20 units but that’s probably just for testing and training. 
 

Realistically in any allied air campaign I bet we’d just pay the US to use their stockpiles.

I would bet that Canada has only bought 20

in the event of war, I doubt America would sell JSOW to Canada

it's a primary SEAD weapon,  so America would be using them to protect American pilots

Edited June 16, 2023 by Dougie93

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I would bet that Canada has only bought 20

in the event of war, I doubt America would sell JSOW to Canada

it's a primary SEAD weapon,  so America would be using them to protect American pilots

Well as was the case in Kosovo and AFAIK most other allied operations the US brings the majority of the fuel and arsenal and the allies reimburse 

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Well as was the case in Kosovo and AFAIK most other allied operations the US brings the majority of the fuel and arsenal and the allies reimburse 

America doesn't actually have the capacity to supply the NATO allies for any sustained period of operations

already America is running out of weapons to supply the Ukrainians

in Libya, the NATO allies ran out of precision guided munitions in just two weeks

America can't supply itself and all of NATO at the same time

Edited June 16, 2023 by Dougie93

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

@BeaverFever,  i have to say Aristides is correct in this case,  it just goes into general revenue. Most things do.  There's no 'carbon tax' separate fund or anything.

So when they pay out less than they collect the money is already in gen rev for spending.

I know that many people thought that there was some sort of 'carbon fund' that all gets returned but that's not how it works. It's like 'equalization payments' which everyone thinks provinces pay into but it's just income tax money in the general revenue.

Also - about 15-20 percent of the tax collected gets spent just on administrating the tax and providing refunds. So it's not possible for the gov't to return even as much as people pay into it.

Yeah but any discrepancy between what is collected and what is refunded is small and incidental.

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

America doesn't actually have the capacity to supply the NATO allies for any sustained period of operations

already America is running out of weapons to supply the Ukrainians

in Libya, the NATO allies ran out of precision guided munitions in just two weeks

America can't supply itself and all of NATO at the same time

Time will tell when the next allies campaign starts

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah but any discrepancy between what is collected and what is refunded is small and incidental.

 

It is massive and growing.  The parlimentary budget officer did a report on this.

The average person will get back 1500 dollars a year less than they pay. The vast majority of people will get back less than they paid to one degree or another.

And that doesn't account for the gst charged on the tax - and it also doesn't account for the fact that it's a compounding tax so consumers are already paying for the tax in the markup before they even pay for the tax on fuels and such.

The majority of the tax revenues will not be refunded.

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Time will tell when the next allies campaign starts

I find the assumption that the next campaign is always going to be "Kosovo" to be outdated

this is not the 90's anymore

the next campaign in could be a two theatre near peer war with China & Russia

no doubt the Canadian military would be involved

but history shows that Canada pays a steep price for being so unmartial

when the poorly equipped Canadians get used as cannon fodder

Edited June 16, 2023 by Dougie93

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I find the assumption that the next campaign is always going to be "Kosovo" to be outdated

this is not the 90's anymore

the next campaign in could be a two theatre near peer war with China & Russia

We will never go to war directly with either. At best it will be indirect via proxies such as Assad in Syria, Wagner mercenaries, Putin’s Separatist ethnic Russian militias in eastern Ukraine etc. Kosovo was a campaign against Russia- backed Serbia so in many ways could be typical of future Russian conflicts. 
 

China is a bit more of an enigma. Their military has never strayed far from their own borders and AFAIK they have never fought foreign wars through proxies either. I do not think they are interested in direct conflict with a peer nation… it’s mostly about bluffing and testing bluffs and credible deterrence   

Edited June 16, 2023 by BeaverFever

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

We will never go to war directly with either. At best it will be indirect via proxies such as Assad in Syria, Wagner mercenaries, Putin’s Separatist ethnic Russian militias in eastern Ukraine etc. Kosovo was a campaign against Russia- backed Serbia so in many ways could be typical of future Russian conflicts. 
 

China is a bit more of an enigma. Their military has never strayed far from their own borders and AFAIK they have never fought foreign wars through proxies either. I do think they are interested in direct conflict with a peer nation… it’s mostly about bluffing and testing bluffs and credible deterrence 

you're making assumptions based on a 70 year Pax Americana, which has now started to unravel

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

you're making assumptions based on a 70 year Pax Americana, which has now started to unravel

There has even quite been 35 years of pax Americana.  Preceding that was preceded by nearly half century of Cold War, which was also fought via proxies